73 Reds Posted January 18 Posted January 18 8 hours ago, UK said: So just offer them at least 100-300K USD per capita (with a posibillity of moving or having a second home in North Florida:)), which would be something like 6-18 B (peanuts for US)? I wonder how that would affect moods on the issue:) That's the entrepreneurial spirit that the Greenlanders should adopt. From all indication life there pretty much sucks for most residents so they ought to try to make the best of it. On a per capita basis the US could easily invest just about any amount needed or desired to improve current conditions and prospects for the entire population.
John Hjorth Posted January 18 Posted January 18 (edited) 1 hour ago, Spekulatius said: All these arguments that Greenland is needed for US security are rubbish. China want to sent ships to America, they already can do this through the Pacific Ocean. There is a absolutely no reason to go over the treacherous route near Greenland. Same for Russia. They have several routes already from Murmansk to Wladiwostok. Nuclear attack submarines can tunnel dive under the north polar ice cab. American subs have demonstrated this in the late 50’s. But then again, Russia isn’t a real threat any more or is this not true? It can’t be both? It’s all BS. One day, it’s needed for national security, another day it’s for minerals. it’s just a pretense just like with drugs. most drugs get smuggled over the US Mexican birder. If Trump wanted to fix this, he would just install all the advanced equipment and put the people needed in place to inspect every truck, train and car that crosses. This would not be easy but sure be easier than to attack any country in the world where drug come from of that smuggle drugs etc because the US happens to be the largest market for this stuff. And for sure, he would not pardon one of the largest drug dealers in ever because he was treated to harshly all of a sudden. https://www.npr.org/2025/12/02/nx-s1-5628382/trump-pardons-honduran-ex-president-juan-orlando-hernandez The amount of nonsensical stuff that this administration puts out to explain the increasingly erratic actions is quite something but for sure not 4 D chess . Yes, @Spekulatius, Less *BS*, more facts, please! - - - o 0 o - - - Forbes - Breaking News [January 16th 2026] : Karoline Leavitt: Trump, Danes Will Continue 'Technical Talks On The Acquisition Of Greenland' This is a from a White House press meeting after the meeting between the Danish delegation and Vance & Rubio and their trusted staff members participating. This morning early, Danish Minister of Foreign Affairs Lars Løkke Rasmussen was interviewed by Danish TV at Copenhagen Airport, 'on the road again', starting, taking off on a tour to the other Nordic countries [Finland, Sweden and Norway] ending up with a meeting with UK. He expressed directly, that he had received confirmation from some of the American meeting participants, that what Kariline Leawitt said on that press meeting was de facto incorrect. You gotta be kidding me. Edited January 18 by John Hjorth
DooDiligence Posted January 18 Posted January 18 6 hours ago, John Hjorth said: This debanking thingy of POTUS is to me personally interesting. Thank you for sharing, Jeff [ @DooDiligence ], I found it on TS : https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115911321115123547 Personally, I'm dead sure if this debanking story story is true, it's actually a 'No' that has passed Jamie Dimons desk for approval. In that case, I'm confident JPM has its reasons for saying 'No', whatever that may be [Please note it appears to be about deposits, not credit.] What will POTUS sue for, by the way? Hurt feelings? What's his loss because of such a 'No'? -Perhaps Jr. has made a mistake for Daddy in a Know Your Client form, putting a checkmark in the 'No' option for the question 'Are you a politically exposed person?' [ <- Sorry, I coulden't help it ...] More than likely Dimon just doesn't want to be involved in the presidents money laundering operations or any of the other grifts he's got going. Personally I think it was a mistake as he could've gathered a lot of evidence for the upcoming Nuremberg trials of this nazi in the oval office.
cubsfan Posted January 18 Posted January 18 (edited) 1 hour ago, John Hjorth said: Keir Starmer about 17 hours ago on X [To me personally, this is important, because UK is not an EU member, but still a part of Europe, and NATO member, and also among the countries threatned with new, 'on top' tariffs by POTUS, and one of the strongest European countries, based on miliary capabilities] : Poor John & Spek! First, there is no security issue with Greenland.. Now there is a security issue that needs to be addressed by NATO! TDS really makes you guys say stunningly stupid stuff! ROFL Edited January 18 by cubsfan
DooDiligence Posted January 18 Posted January 18 11 minutes ago, John Hjorth said: Yes, @Spekulatius, Less *BS*, more facts, please! - - - o 0 o - - - Forbes - Breaking News [January 16th 2026] : Karoline Leavitt: Trump, Danes Will Continue 'Technical Talks On The Acquisition Of Greenland' This is a from a White House press meeting after the meeting between the Danish delegation and Vance & Rubio and their trusted staff members participating. This morning early, Danish Minister of Foreign Affairs Lars Løkke Rasmussen was interviewed by Danish TV at Copenhagen Airport, 'on the road again', starting, taking off on a tour to the other Nordic countries [Finland, Sweden and Norway] ending up with a meeting with UK. He expressed directly, that he had received confirmation from some of the American meeting participants, that what Kariline Leawitt said on that press meeting was de facto incorrect. You gotta be kidding me.
John Hjorth Posted January 18 Posted January 18 1 minute ago, DooDiligence said: More than likely Dimon just doesn't want to be involved in the presidents money laundering operations or any of the other grifts he's got going. Personally I think it was a mistake as he could've gathered a lot of evidence for the upcoming Nuremberg trials of this nazi in the oval office. Jeff [ @DooDiligence ], I was actually thinking the same, but out in so to say 'second order', 'ripple' effects, JPM carrying a loss on some client going bust by cooperating with Trump Organization in some way. We know for a fact that Trumps business credit record and history isen't clean. The tentacles of the JPM banking giant and octopus are vast and far reaching. That would actually be sufficient to say 'Thank you, but we don't want to do business with you.'
cubsfan Posted January 18 Posted January 18 John, good to see how you and all your buddies are all over Greenland with soldiers while you hang Ukraine out to dry! LOL Same old shit, different day: European politicians lying through their teeth again to deflect the destruction of Europe they are responsible for... One of these days, the citizens of Europe will wake up. Until then... Fortress North America
UK Posted January 18 Posted January 18 (edited) https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-01-18/german-soldiers-leave-greenland-after-44-hour-stay-bild-reports https://archive.is/vRTUr Edited January 18 by UK
cubsfan Posted January 18 Posted January 18 3 minutes ago, UK said: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-01-18/german-soldiers-leave-greenland-after-44-hour-stay-bild-reports What do you expect? The Germans are experts at surrender!
dealraker Posted January 18 Posted January 18 24 minutes ago, cubsfan said: John, good to see how you and all your buddies are all over Greenland with soldiers while you hang Ukraine out to dry! LOL Same old shit, different day: European politicians lying through their teeth again to deflect the destruction of Europe they are responsible for... One of these days, the citizens of Europe will wake up. Until then... Fortress North America Yo Cubs, self anointed holder of all wisdom and 15 year straight champ of devisive COBF posts: Which is greater in dollars, Trump's ongoing military op "saving" of Iran's protestors or DOGE? Saving Iran and Venezuela...really? And both are fixed...right? That's precisely what you voted for right? Or is it just a huge need for belonging, rules-a-changing cult style?
cubsfan Posted January 18 Posted January 18 2 minutes ago, dealraker said: Saving Iran and Venezuela...really? And both are fixed...right? That's precisely what you voted for right? Definitely what I voted for Ole Deal. Peace through strength: Economic warfare to strangle regimes such as Venezuela and Iran. Bringing them to their knees/topple leadership. Stunningly successful. Keep your eye on the greatest American President since Lincoln. Colonel Sink would be proud.
DooDiligence Posted January 18 Posted January 18 40 minutes ago, John Hjorth said: Jeff [ @DooDiligence ], I was actually thinking the same, but out in so to say 'second order', 'ripple' effects, JPM carrying a loss on some client going bust by cooperating with Trump Organization in some way. We know for a fact that Trumps business credit record and history isen't clean. The tentacles of the JPM banking giant and octopus are vast and far reaching. That would actually be sufficient to say 'Thank you, but we don't want to do business with you.' Yeah, lots of institutions don't have a problem doing business with grifters. I expected Dimon to clap back hard but it looks like he's gonna waffle just like rest of corporate America.
DooDiligence Posted January 18 Posted January 18 28 minutes ago, UK said: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-01-18/german-soldiers-leave-greenland-after-44-hour-stay-bild-reports https://archive.is/vRTUr Appeasement? Shoe's on the other foot this time. https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/how-britain-hoped-to-avoid-war-with-germany-in-the-1930s
dealraker Posted January 18 Posted January 18 23 minutes ago, cubsfan said: Definitely what I voted for Ole Deal. Peace through strength: Economic warfare to strangle regimes such as Venezuela and Iran. Bringing them to their knees/topple leadership. Stunningly successful. Keep your eye on the greatest American President since Lincoln. Colonel Sink would be proud. Debating with you...Colonel Sink and General Sink would likely just stay drunk! (As was the norm!)
cubsfan Posted January 18 Posted January 18 4 minutes ago, dealraker said: Debating with you...Colonel Sink and General Sink would likely just stay drunk! (As was the norm!) I wouldn't mess with the General..
Sweet Posted January 18 Posted January 18 “US Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent defends Trump's tariff plan, telling NBC News' Meet the Press on Sunday that Trump is making the "strategic" geopolitical decision to use the US's "economic might" to "avoid a hot war". "The national emergency is avoiding a national emergency," Bessent says. Bessent also says that Trump is trying to "avoid a conflict" by annexing Greenland. "What we know is that Greenland can only be defended if it is part of the US, and it will not need to be defended if it is part of the US," he adds. "I believe that the Europeans will understand that this is best for Greenland, best for Europe and best for the United States," he says.”
cwericb Posted January 18 Posted January 18 1 hour ago, cubsfan said: John, good to see how you and all your buddies are all over Greenland with soldiers while you hang Ukraine out to dry! LOL Same old shit, different day: European politicians lying through their teeth again to deflect the destruction of Europe they are responsible for... One of these days, the citizens of Europe will wake up. Until then... Fortress North America Boy, that's rich calling others liars coming from a Trump supporter.
Spekulatius Posted January 18 Posted January 18 (edited) 57 minutes ago, cubsfan said: Definitely what I voted for Ole Deal. Peace through strength: Economic warfare to strangle regimes such as Venezuela and Iran. Bringing them to their knees/topple leadership. Stunningly successful. Keep your eye on the greatest American President since Lincoln. Colonel Sink would be proud. A President with early (or not so early ) onset dementia. It explains his erratic and increasingly angry behavior, his slouching walk and losing his train of thought repeatedly and sometimes in the middle of sentence as well as him dozing off in the middle of his meetings. Those are all typical indications of dementia. They are Ok sometimes and sometimes they go completely off the rails. One thing is sure, it doesn’t get any better. Biden back the slowed down during his presidency , Trump does not but gets more erratic and unpredictable. Both are common indications of early onset dementia. Edited January 18 by Spekulatius
cubsfan Posted January 18 Posted January 18 3 minutes ago, Sweet said: “US Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent defends Trump's tariff plan, telling NBC News' Meet the Press on Sunday that Trump is making the "strategic" geopolitical decision to use the US's "economic might" to "avoid a hot war". "The national emergency is avoiding a national emergency," Bessent says. Bessent also says that Trump is trying to "avoid a conflict" by annexing Greenland. "What we know is that Greenland can only be defended if it is part of the US, and it will not need to be defended if it is part of the US," he adds. "I believe that the Europeans will understand that this is best for Greenland, best for Europe and best for the United States," he says.” You don't need to believe Bessent. Take it from Denmark's Defense Intelligence Services. While Danish politicians lie through their teeth, they suppress the truth from their "Intelligence Outlook Report 2025". "Denmark's Danish Defense Intelligence Service (DDIS) recently released an assessment bluntly warning of Russian and Chinese military ambitions toward and expansion around Greenland and the Arctic." But the "Intelligence Outlook 2025" report on the security of the Kingdom of Denmark, released just last month, had warned at great length that “China is preparing for a military presence in the Arctic” and that “China’s long-term Arctic interests include Greenland.” The report highlighted Chinese air-based, seaborne, and submersible activities in the Arctic. The Danish intelligence report had further assessed that the militaries of China and Russia were collaborating more closely in the Arctic, displaying the growing “DragonBear” alliance between Chinese President Xi Jinping and Russian President Vladimir Putin. But the Danish intelligence report painted a much more complicated picture than the denials from Danish politicians would suggest, laying out Chinese and Russian military objectives in the Arctic and interest in the Greenland region in particular as well. The report also found that the Russians viewed the ocean to the east of Greenland as key in any future war with NATO, and that China was eyeing Greenland for long-term strategic purposes as well. Putin and Xi declared a “no limits” partnership in early 2022, just ahead of Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, a war in which China has offered key assistance to the Russians in the subsequent years. The spy report said the partnership extends to the Arctic. Russia remains the strongest military power in the Arctic but sees itself as being challenged by the West. Western sanctions and will therefore seek to deepen its Arctic cooperation with China and allow China greater access to the Russian Arctic.” “China will also seek to tap into Russian expertise and experience in the Arctic as a military theatre. Russia retains a technological and operational edge, particularly in operating attack submarines under the ice and building nuclear-powered icebreakers. The two countries may conduct joint exercises in the Russian Arctic in 2026. For both countries, joint exercises both inside and outside the Arctic would also serve as strategic signaling to the United States and the West.”
cubsfan Posted January 18 Posted January 18 (edited) All you need to do is listen to Danish Intelligence while European leaders lie their ass off. They are warning their own Danish leadership that Denmark can not protect Greenland. Like a good lawyer would say "Deny, Deny, Deny" It doesn't take a genius to figure these things out. https://www.fe-ddis.dk/globalassets/fe/dokumenter/2025/-fe-intelligenceoutlook-25-.pdf Edited January 18 by cubsfan
Spooky Posted January 18 Posted January 18 1 hour ago, cubsfan said: Definitely what I voted for Ole Deal. Peace through strength: Economic warfare to strangle regimes such as Venezuela and Iran. Bringing them to their knees/topple leadership. Stunningly successful. Keep your eye on the greatest American President since Lincoln. Colonel Sink would be proud. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength
SharperDingaan Posted January 18 Posted January 18 (edited) The Greenland 'security' argument is essentially 3-fold. 1) Control over the eastern sea entrances into the North West Passage; 2) Control over the northern non-Russian mineral wealth; 3) Eastern extension of the 'Golden Dome'. Control Greenland and Russian seaborne o/g egress can be blockaded a lot more easily. Militarise the western controlled portions and you also control the shipping route from Europe to Asia. The further east the dome, the further the distance to the US eastern seaboard. Alaska was purchased from Russia and eventually became a US state; why can't Greenland also be purchased from Denmark, and become a US state as well? Yes things are done differently today (citizens get to vote on it), but otherwise it is no different to 1867 (Alaska purchase). Even if Greenlander's vote to stay in Denmark; nothing subsequently prevents Denmark from selling Greenland, and saving the annual 600 million Euro block grant. Just a different POV .... SD Edited January 18 by SharperDingaan
cubsfan Posted January 18 Posted January 18 3 minutes ago, SharperDingaan said: The Greenland 'security' argument is essentially 3-fold. 1) Control over the eastern sea entrances into the North West Passage; 2) Control over the northern non-Russian mineral wealth; 3) Eastern extension of the 'Golden Dome'. Control Greenland and Russian seaborne o/g egress can be blockaded a lot more easily. Militarise the western controlled portions and you also control the shipping route from Europe to Asia. The further east the dome, the further the distance to the US eastern seaboard. Alaska was purchased from Russia and eventually became a US state; why can't Greenland also be purchased from Denmark, and become a US state as well? Yes things are done differently today (citizens get to vote on it), but otherwise it is no different to 1867 (Alaska purchase). Even if Greenlander's vote to stay in Denmark; nothing subsequently prevents Denmark from selling Greenland, and saving the annual 600 million Euro block grant. Just a different POV .... SD Careful brother Sharper - hate to see you get kicked off the board for disagreeing with the mob!
Gregmal Posted January 18 Posted January 18 (edited) I think it’s pretty clear that like with many other issues, Trump has basically weaponized the years of lies spread by politicians and media folks. All these yappers for years have told us about “Big, Bad, Evil Vlad and Russia”, “Big, Bad, Communist Dictator Xi and China”, “Drug Trafficking Dictator Maduro” in Venezuela. “Nuclear wannabe Dictators in the Middle East”…All of these “super duper bad and imminent threats” of course aren’t nearly as such…which is why you see critics now supporting Maduros civil rights(roflmao), doing ZERO with Ukraine(so much for standing up to Vlad!), undermining action against Iran(crickets there), cutting trade deals with big bad China(oh no you gave us no choice lol)! And even yes redefining “independence” for Greenland as basically just being Denmarks slave state… etc….etc…etc…never ends does it? So yea, the whole Greenland thing is stupid and the subject didn’t even exist in the realm of what anyone cared about a few months or years ago….but now like always…everyone’s a fuckin self declared expert on the subject of Greenland now….but really the underpinning of this crap is basically…”you guys all whined and warned about these “imminent threats” so now I’m going to use that hysteria to go get us some oil/minerals up over there”…. Edited January 18 by Gregmal
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