Luke Posted January 17 Posted January 17 13 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: @Sweet Trump sees this as a form of remuneration. You see, the Left only goes for remuneration when it benefits an alleged oppressed class and is paid for by parties that had absolutely nothing to do with prior atrocities. Right and Trump himself can choose the remuneration himself and then threaten to take it by force. I thought he is a dealmaker - i see no deal here. Just him taking things without respect for the other party. Quite frankly thats not the Art of the deal but rather the art of ruining relationships and respect globally.
Milu Posted January 17 Posted January 17 I usually cut trump a lot of slack but I must admit that even I am growing a bit tired of some of the recent actions. He’s had a lot of success with his aggressive bullying posture so continues to push things further and further to the point of being unreasonable. The art of the deal should be built around some sort of win win for both parties, not crushing your counterparts into submission.
Luke Posted January 17 Posted January 17 Anyways Canada moved closer to China thanks to trump. I bet many other countries will follow including the EU. I call that a loss for US influence.
Luke Posted January 17 Posted January 17 Just now, Milu said: I usually cut trump a lot of slack but I must admit that even I am growing a bit tired of some of the recent actions. He’s had a lot of success with his aggressive bullying posture so continues to push things further and further to the point of being unreasonable. The art of the deal should be built around some sort of win win for both parties, not crushing your counterparts into submission. Exactly - he is destroying any trust in any agreements he is making. Who in their right mind would believe Trump in anything now. He is changing his mind every day - cancelling tariffs every week and you are either his best buddy or a supporter of China and Russia (but Putin is a great statesman and i have HUUUGEEE respect for him)... You cant make this shit up anymore - Robert De Niro is right.
John Hjorth Posted January 17 Posted January 17 (edited) I had to look up this by @Spekulatius : On 12/26/2022 at 11:03 PM, Spekulatius said: LOl, cud’s for keeping track of this stuff. I really do like the first quote which is from Ben Gurion, the founding father of modern Israel. The fact that Israel exists is in my opinion a miracle. The fact that Ukraine is still there and fighting and perhaps winning may also be considered a miracle. Sadly, I think this thread will still be active in 2024 because I don’t think the war will be truly over in a year. That‘s more of a tragedy but wars tend to be long drawn out tragedies. Back to my not so cheap wine. Funny, or not - But striking - Sure, yes Edited January 17 by John Hjorth
Luke Posted January 17 Posted January 17 meanwhile the protests are starting in front of US embassy greenland as of today also in copenhagen:
Luke Posted January 17 Posted January 17 2 minutes ago, John Hjorth said: Emmanuel Macron on X on behalf on France : I really expect a tougher stance. Mobilize troops NOW! Trump is threatening invasion - havent we learned from Ukraine????
Sweet Posted January 17 Posted January 17 37 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: @Sweet Trump sees this as a form of remuneration. You see, the Left only goes for remuneration when it benefits an alleged oppressed class and is paid for by parties that had absolutely nothing to do with prior atrocities. What’s this got to do with the left though Reds? It doesn’t matter to me what Trump thinks on this matter. He’s acting like a clown. 22 minutes ago, Milu said: I usually cut trump a lot of slack but I must admit that even I am growing a bit tired of some of the recent actions. He’s had a lot of success with his aggressive bullying posture so continues to push things further and further to the point of being unreasonable. The art of the deal should be built around some sort of win win for both parties, not crushing your counterparts into submission. Im not an American, so it doesn’t really matter what I think. But I agree with so much of his policies, and then there are fringe policies I just hate. Plus I hate the ass kissing he demands. Weird mix
Sweet Posted January 17 Posted January 17 2 minutes ago, Luke said: I really expect a tougher stance. Mobilize troops NOW! Trump is threatening invasion - havent we learned from Ukraine???? Are you not Chinese Luke? Why would we European mobilise? We aren’t going to war.
Luke Posted January 17 Posted January 17 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Sweet said: Are you not Chinese Luke? Why would we European mobilise? We aren’t going to war. In case you havent noticed military personell has already been mobilized to Greenland partially to act as human shields. For the US to seize the area with military personell they would have to physically attack soldiers from its own NATO allies which would trigger article 5 against the US itself. The US has a veto right so basically with that move NATO seizes to exist and you are left with willing nations to counter the US. I think Trump WILL annex greenland sooner or later so we need to be prepared NOW. Trump knows that US assets in the EU would be seized and that they will be disconnected from european financial clearing systems and US treasuries would be stopped as a purchase to crash the US dollar and force Trump to the negotiating table. I hope this is enough deterrance. But still we need to prepare for hybrid warefare, deploy submarines and long range missiles to prevent US supplies in case he goes Venezuela 2.0 - anything can happen now. Its no longer a hypothetical scenario but reality and we need to be prepared to act... Edited January 17 by Luke
Spekulatius Posted January 17 Posted January 17 The new tariffs just show the futility of making a deal with Trump as anything will be renegotiated on a dime anyways. Anyways, worth remembering what they said about Chavez early on. “ He runs the country as if it were his hacienda”. Sounds like a familiar problem now.
John Hjorth Posted January 17 Posted January 17 From the Trump post on Truth Social earlier today : Quote ... Starting on February 1st, 2026, all of the above mentioned Countries (Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France, Germany, The United Kingdom, The Netherlands, and Finland), will be charged a 10% Tariff on any and all goods sent to the United States of America. On June 1st, 2026, the Tariff will be increased to 25%. This Tariff will be due and payable until such time as a Deal is reached for the Complete and Total purchase of Greenland. ... Purchase price payable to who, and who to negotiate the purchase price with? - Just asking - the man is totally off charts
Spekulatius Posted January 17 Posted January 17 Counteroffer would be : Greenland against Hawaii. yes, Greenland is bigger and has more minerals but I am sure the Danes would appreciate Hawaii’s better weather. Throw in a Danish base in Solvang because it’s basically danish already. https://solvangusa.com/things-to-do/danish-days/
John Hjorth Posted January 17 Posted January 17 Mark Ruttes POTUS a** licking 'Daddy' comment last year combined with : Associated Press [January 14th 2026] : NATO chief refuses to comment on Greenland dispute makes Mark Rutte look like a complete idiot by now. I'm personally not sure what his fate in this position will be going forward. He's simply a lame duck now. - - - o 0 o - - - Please note there are no facts, observations available about Chineese and Russian ships in waters near Greenland as of lately.
Milu Posted January 17 Posted January 17 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Sweet said: Im not an American, so it doesn’t really matter what I think. But I agree with so much of his policies, and then there are fringe policies I just hate. Plus I hate the ass kissing he demands. Weird mix Same for me, not American either so not as directly connected to him as the American posters on the forum. I like how he served as a good counterweight to a lot of the woke nonsense we had to go through during Covid. And the idea of having a team of successful business folk around him aligns better with my preference than a group of career politicians. I also think that the media often gets overdramatic in their treatment of him compared to ‘normal’ politicians doing the same things. I just think over the last few months he has gone in a few directions I don’t agree with. Edited January 17 by Milu
John Hjorth Posted January 17 Posted January 17 7 minutes ago, Spekulatius said: Counteroffer would be : Greenland against Hawaii. yes, Greenland is bigger and has more minerals but I am sure the Danes would appreciate Hawaii’s better weather. Throw in a Danish base in Solvang because it’s basically danish already. https://solvangusa.com/things-to-do/danish-days/ I've really come to appreciate your super-dry German humor!, it's such a joy! [I'm however not sure what especially @Red Lion would think about this, with quite some Hawaian Real Estate in possesion.]
changegonnacome Posted January 17 Posted January 17 Funny to still see Trump with five aggregate years as President of the United States now......still not realizing that from a trade perspective its not possible to individually tariff select EU member states.
John Hjorth Posted January 17 Posted January 17 (edited) 5 hours ago, LC said: State of affairs this Saturday morning: The true Greenland conspiracy - loser parasites need a fresh host (they're as ugly as their wives - I think we are getting close to the root of the problem): https://newrepublic.com/article/205102/oligarchs-pushing-conquest-greenland-trump Not to worry, while the unloved and underendowed oligarchs of the West attempt to suck the life out of Greenland, you too can feast on a healthy and affordable Trump meal! https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-goons-boast-they-ran-1000-simulations-to-create-tragic-3-meal/ On the other end of both the income and intelligence spectrum, the oversupplied (but similarly underendowed) goon squad continue their warrant-less terror campaign. Where's the war, you ask? It's right at home! (too expensive to export with the tariff war, I suppose) But that wouldn't impact you, right? Just make sure you're not driving home with your child in the car, not in Trump's America. Remember, it's YOUR FAULT! Thanks for tuning into another Saturday morning shitfest! Troubling times in the kingdom... To all our non-American posters, while we do appreciate your sympathy, we kindly ask you to join in our daily prayers for a loose blood clot. @LC, Please don't think that many alreday haven't tried to extract precious, valuable stuff from the Greenlandic underground. It simply isen't so. The fact is that it's hard, expensive, really hard, really expensive. What is it about? USA has no 'arctic experience', in short. : Wikipedia : Transport in Greenland. It's not like ExxonMobil CEO Darren Wood telling POTUS Venezuela is uninvestable by now in public, making POTUS furious. That is a initial investment, one time investment [however still material, huge] to get the Venezuelian oil infrastructure up running again. Here, for Greenland,. we talk about an eternal surplus layer of CAPEX to keep on going, that has no end, untill one decides to crease exploration and extraction. How does one move CAPEX gear, stuff to where it's needed up in Greeland, when there most places are no roads, no harbours, combined with it is basically - many places - impossible for ships to get near shore? - - - o 0 o - - - With regard to 'US lack of arctic experience', naturally POTUS could ask for [paid?] assistance, help to get it done. From whom? Canada? [lol!], Russia? [lol!] Norway? [lol!]- who else? Edited January 17 by John Hjorth
Sweet Posted January 17 Posted January 17 (edited) 1 hour ago, Luke said: In case you havent noticed military personell has already been mobilized to Greenland partially to act as human shields. For the US to seize the area with military personell they would have to physically attack soldiers from its own NATO allies which would trigger article 5 against the US itself. The US has a veto right so basically with that move NATO seizes to exist and you are left with willing nations to counter the US. I think Trump WILL annex greenland sooner or later so we need to be prepared NOW. Trump knows that US assets in the EU would be seized and that they will be disconnected from european financial clearing systems and US treasuries would be stopped as a purchase to crash the US dollar and force Trump to the negotiating table. I hope this is enough deterrance. But still we need to prepare for hybrid warefare, deploy submarines and long range missiles to prevent US supplies in case he goes Venezuela 2.0 - anything can happen now. Its no longer a hypothetical scenario but reality and we need to be prepared to act... Are you Chinese though? I’m trying to understand your point of view. As far as I remember you are Chinese, and for China it would be great for Europe and the US to be at each others throat. However, if you are European or American it doesn’t make any sense at all. Edited January 17 by Sweet
John Hjorth Posted January 17 Posted January 17 19 minutes ago, Sweet said: Are you Chinese though? I’m trying to understand your point of view. As far as I remember you are Chinese, and for China it would be great for Europe and the US to be at each others throat. However, if you are European or American it doesn’t make any sense at all. @Luke [formerly know as @Luca here on CofB&F] is a German citizen, working, tax paying, saving, investing, risk taking, -assuming and living in Germany. @Lukes roots I'll leave to @Luke.
Luke Posted January 17 Posted January 17 19 minutes ago, John Hjorth said: @Luke [formerly know as @Luca here on CofB&F] is a German citizen, working, tax paying, saving, investing, risk taking, -assuming and living in Germany. @Lukes roots I'll leave to @Luke. Yes im german in germany - cheers. Not chinese lol
John Hjorth Posted January 17 Posted January 17 17 minutes ago, Luke said: Yes im german in germany - cheers. Not chinese lol Seriously, @Luke, I've now and then shared [undocumented, no real tangible basis] perception with @Sweet of you, but not about your mindset, attitude, but only [again, speculative, undocumented] about your roots. And naturally, you don't have to share anything about that here on CofB&F with your fellow board members.
Luke Posted January 17 Posted January 17 Russia considers Greenland to be Danish territory, the Kremlin said in a statement Friday. The statement also described the security situation around Greenland as “extraordinary” from an international law perspective Lol!
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