cubsfan Posted January 17 Posted January 17 3 hours ago, Sweet said: In regard to Greenland, what do you think? I wholeheartedly agree Europe was free loading on the US defence spending for decades. I draw the line at threatening to take territory not belonging to you, territory which belongs to your allies. There has been some discussion about Trump playing an angle, looking to negotiate some kind of deal. I don’t believe that to be the case. I don't have any preference in regards to Greenland at all. I am fully behind US Foreign policy, especially with this President, who is accomplishing amazing things. As far as Greenland, it's clear Denmark can't defend it from Russia & China. Perhaps a combined European force could do that?? So eventually, something will need to happen in regards to bulking up Greenland with submarines, naval and missile defense. I don't like the idea of seizing Greenland. One thing you have to say about Trump: he's got everyone focused on it right now. You never quite know when Trump is bluffing. Will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
cubsfan Posted January 17 Posted January 17 3 hours ago, Luke said: Anyways Canada moved closer to China thanks to trump. I bet many other countries will follow including the EU. I call that a loss for US influence. I definitely call it a loss for Canada, but it's their call. The US is making their move on Venezuelan oil - decreasing the reliance on Canada and China.
cubsfan Posted January 17 Posted January 17 3 hours ago, Luke said: Exactly - he is destroying any trust in any agreements he is making. Who in their right mind would believe Trump in anything now. He is changing his mind every day - cancelling tariffs every week and you are either his best buddy or a supporter of China and Russia (but Putin is a great statesman and i have HUUUGEEE respect for him)... You cant make this shit up anymore - Robert De Niro is right. Why would the US ever believe anything the blowhard Europeans say. They never took NATO seriously, and expected to freeload off the US military forever until Trump came along. No wonder you miss Obama and Biden.
cubsfan Posted January 17 Posted January 17 3 hours ago, John Hjorth said: Emmanuel Macron on X on behalf on France : Oh my god - Macron - of all the idiots. He will defend Greenland, just like he defends Ukraine. That's frickin' hilarious!!! All the while his OWN country is a unmitigated DISASTER!
73 Reds Posted January 17 Posted January 17 13 minutes ago, cubsfan said: I don't have any preference in regards to Greenland at all. I am fully behind US Foreign policy, especially with this President, who is accomplishing amazing things. As far as Greenland, it's clear Denmark can't defend it from Russia & China. Perhaps a combined European force could do that?? So eventually, something will need to happen in regards to bulking up Greenland with submarines, naval and missile defense. I don't like the idea of seizing Greenland. One thing you have to say about Trump: he's got everyone focused on it right now. You never quite know when Trump is bluffing. Will be interesting to see how this all plays out. Yeah, agreed. And if the Greenlanders were smart, they'd stop their silly protests and at least feign interest in a US takeover with the goal of striking a better deal for themselves. To your point, Trump has done them a huge favor but it is up to them to seize on it.
cubsfan Posted January 17 Posted January 17 2 hours ago, John Hjorth said: I've really come to appreciate your super-dry German humor!, it's such a joy! [I'm however not sure what especially @Red Lion would think about this, with quite some Hawaian Real Estate in possesion.] Hawaii is a hard NO - you can have Minnesota!
cubsfan Posted January 17 Posted January 17 29 minutes ago, Luke said: Russia considers Greenland to be Danish territory, the Kremlin said in a statement Friday. The statement also described the security situation around Greenland as “extraordinary” from an international law perspective Lol! ROFL - Like Trump said - So Russia can take Greenland, while Denmark defends it with 2 dog sleds! OF COURSE, he wants it to remain with Denmark and not the US.
Sweet Posted January 18 Posted January 18 1 hour ago, cubsfan said: I don't have any preference in regards to Greenland at all. I am fully behind US Foreign policy, especially with this President, who is accomplishing amazing things. As far as Greenland, it's clear Denmark can't defend it from Russia & China. Perhaps a combined European force could do that?? So eventually, something will need to happen in regards to bulking up Greenland with submarines, naval and missile defense. I don't like the idea of seizing Greenland. One thing you have to say about Trump: he's got everyone focused on it right now. You never quite know when Trump is bluffing. Will be interesting to see how this all plays out. Greenland is in NATO though. The US and Europe, through NATO, already defend Greenland and have done since 1949 - nearly 80 years. I know you know this. The President supposedly thinks China and Russia are going to risk conflict with NATO to invade Greenland? It’s illogical. Maybe Trump wants Greenland, and then want to pull the plug on NATO after? That would make sense. Europe don’t have an obligation to give him Greenland or even entertain a bid. I think the only way he get it is through military force, and I don’t think Congress will allow him.
DooDiligence Posted January 18 Posted January 18 Now we get to see what Dimon is really made of https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/17/trump-jpmorgan-chase-debanking.html https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/trump-says-he-never-offered-fed-chair-job-jpmorgans-dimon-2026-01-17/
Spekulatius Posted January 18 Posted January 18 The idea that the Chinese or Russians would start a base in Greenland which is NATO territory is ridicolous . How are they going to do it? Once they would land l it would stick out there in a land where there is nothing. Satellites or other intelligence sure detect the base. How would they supply it in the NATO’s backyard? Any force that ventures there could easily be smashed. In any case, Trump deals are never permanent and change on a dime , so you never want to give Trump anything permanent. The tariffs are what they are and I don’t even think the deal with the EU is signed yet as far as tariffs are concerned and now he does what he does anyways. So you need to see anything Trump does under the assumption that it’s all provisional. Never give something permanent for something that is likely to get taken back a short time later.
Sweet Posted January 18 Posted January 18 11 minutes ago, Spekulatius said: The idea that the Chinese or Russians would start a base in Greenland which is NATO territory is ridicolous . How are they going to do it? Once they would land l it would stick out there in a land where there is nothing. Satellites or other intelligence sure detect the base. How would they supply it in the NATO’s backyard? Any force that ventures there could easily be smashed. In any case, Trump deals are never permanent and change on a dime , so you never want to give Trump anything permanent. The tariffs are what they are and I don’t even think the deal with the EU is signed yet as far as tariffs are concerned and now he does what he does anyways. So you need to see anything Trump does under the assumption that it’s all provisional. Never give something permanent for something that is likely to get taken back a short time later. It’s silly. What I can’t understand is why he saying something so silly. Who among his global audience believes it?
LC Posted January 18 Posted January 18 Another US agreement ripped up by wittle Twumpy. I wonder, does Denmark now have claim to the USVI? I guess so. BTW one of those islands that Denmark sold the US...was eventually purchased by Donny's best friend Jeffrey. Maybe one day we can read some files documenting events on that island? Whaddayathink?
cubsfan Posted January 18 Posted January 18 20 minutes ago, Sweet said: Greenland is in NATO though. The US and Europe, through NATO, already defend Greenland and have done since 1949 - nearly 80 years. I know you know this. The President supposedly thinks China and Russia are going to risk conflict with NATO to invade Greenland? It’s illogical. Maybe Trump wants Greenland, and then want to pull the plug on NATO after? That would make sense. Europe don’t have an obligation to give him Greenland or even entertain a bid. I think the only way he get it is through military force, and I don’t think Congress will allow him. Trump wants Greenland to protect the USA from China & Russia. He's not trying to protect Greenland from China & Russia. I figure you are familiar with all the sea lanes via the arctic for both nations to attack the USA. Same with missiles... Where it goes from here, I have not a clue, but it sure is interesting to watch.
Sweet Posted January 18 Posted January 18 Just now, cubsfan said: Trump wants Greenland to protect the USA from China & Russia. He's not trying to protect Greenland from China & Russia. I figure you are familiar with all the sea lanes via the arctic for both nations to attack the USA. Same with missiles... Where it goes from here, I have not a clue, but it sure is interesting to watch. The end result is the same cubs. That’s the point. The US doesn’t need to own Greenland to use Greenland to protect the US. Americans allies in NATO have been more than happy for America to have a military presence there.
cubsfan Posted January 18 Posted January 18 18 minutes ago, Sweet said: The end result is the same cubs. That’s the point. The US doesn’t need to own Greenland to use Greenland to protect the US. Americans allies in NATO have been more than happy for America to have a military presence there. I think I follow you and I am not defending the USA owning Greenland. If you read the security document that the Trump administration provided the public in December, his strategy is very clear: 1) Fortress North America (Western Hemisphere) is his first, most pressing priority. That is the responsibility of the United States, not Europe. 2) Europe's priority should be Fortress Europe with substantial defense from Russia in mind. 3) The real adversary of the USA is China, not Russia - and getting/keeping them out of the Western Hemisphere. 4) The gapping security hole via the Arctic circle will be dealt with (as was the Panama Canal). That is America's responsibility, regardless of how NATO prioritizes it. 5) The USA has limited resources militarily - and this President is reprioritizing them to align with his vision. NATO will do what it's going to do, but their priorities are not necessarily ours. How Trump goes about accomplishing all this, whether owning Greenland or not - I will not predict.
Red Lion Posted January 18 Posted January 18 8 hours ago, John Hjorth said: I've really come to appreciate your super-dry German humor!, it's such a joy! [I'm however not sure what especially @Red Lion would think about this, with quite some Hawaian Real Estate in possesion.] Would I get free healthcare?
UK Posted January 18 Posted January 18 7 hours ago, 73 Reds said: Yeah, agreed. And if the Greenlanders were smart, they'd stop their silly protests and at least feign interest in a US takeover with the goal of striking a better deal for themselves. To your point, Trump has done them a huge favor but it is up to them to seize on it. So just offer them at least 100-300K USD per capita (with a posibillity of moving or having a second home in North Florida:)), which would be something like 6-18 B (peanuts for US)? I wonder how that would affect moods on the issue:)
John Hjorth Posted January 18 Posted January 18 2 hours ago, Red Lion said: Would I get free healthcare? I think so, but I'm not totally sure, - you see : Strange things can happen in that paperwork in fine print, when citizens of countries are swapped like were they cattle.
John Hjorth Posted January 18 Posted January 18 (edited) 8 hours ago, DooDiligence said: Now we get to see what Dimon is really made of https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/17/trump-jpmorgan-chase-debanking.html https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/trump-says-he-never-offered-fed-chair-job-jpmorgans-dimon-2026-01-17/ This debanking thingy of POTUS is to me personally interesting. Thank you for sharing, Jeff [ @DooDiligence ], I found it on TS : https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115911321115123547 Personally, I'm dead sure if this debanking story story is true, it's actually a 'No' that has passed Jamie Dimons desk for approval. In that case, I'm confident JPM has its reasons for saying 'No', whatever that may be [Please note it appears to be about deposits, not credit.] What will POTUS sue for, by the way? Hurt feelings? What's his loss because of such a 'No'? -Perhaps Jr. has made a mistake for Daddy in a Know Your Client form, putting a checkmark in the 'No' option for the question 'Are you a politically exposed person?' [ <- Sorry, I coulden't help it ...] Edited January 18 by John Hjorth
John Hjorth Posted January 18 Posted January 18 7 hours ago, Sweet said: The end result is the same cubs. That’s the point. The US doesn’t need to own Greenland to use Greenland to protect the US. Americans allies in NATO have been more than happy for America to have a military presence there. Yes, it's nonsense, rubbish, total garbage talk, @Sweet, Q : Who is the nearest neighbour to the West of USA? A : Russia [<-!] Q : What's the distance between Russia and USA in the Bering Strait? A : 55 miles, 88 kms. Q : What's the distance between Russia and USA where they are closest [at Diomedes Islands]? A : Distance from Big Diomede [Russia] to Little Diomede [USA] 2.5 miles, 4 kms. And then we still hear POTUS talking about 'Russia is not going to be our neighbour!' It's so hilarious! What is he going to do about it? -Take over Russia from East to Vest? Arctic Portal : Shipping Routes
Spekulatius Posted January 18 Posted January 18 (edited) All these arguments that Greenland is needed for US security are rubbish. China want to sent ships to America, they already can do this through the Pacific Ocean. There is a absolutely no reason to go over the treacherous route near Greenland. Same for Russia. They have several routes already from Murmansk to Wladiwostok. Nuclear attack submarines can tunnel dive under the north polar ice cab. American subs have demonstrated this in the late 50’s. But then again, Russia isn’t a real threat any more or is this not true? It can’t be both? It’s all BS. One day, it’s needed for national security, another day it’s for minerals. it’s just a pretense just like with drugs. most drugs get smuggled over the US Mexican birder. If Trump wanted to fix this, he would just install all the advanced equipment and put the people needed in place to inspect every truck, train and car that crosses. This would not be easy but sure be easier than to attack any country in the world where drug come from of that smuggle drugs etc because the US happens to be the largest market for this stuff. And for sure, he would not pardon one of the largest drug dealers in ever because he was treated to harshly all of a sudden. https://www.npr.org/2025/12/02/nx-s1-5628382/trump-pardons-honduran-ex-president-juan-orlando-hernandez The amount of nonsensical stuff that this administration puts out to explain the increasingly erratic actions is quite something but for sure not 4 D chess . Edited January 18 by Spekulatius
John Hjorth Posted January 18 Posted January 18 Keir Starmer about 17 hours ago on X [To me personally, this is important, because UK is not an EU member, but still a part of Europe, and NATO member, and also among the countries threatned with new, 'on top' tariffs by POTUS, and one of the strongest European countries, based on miliary capabilities] :
dealraker Posted January 18 Posted January 18 43 minutes ago, Spekulatius said: All these arguments that Greenland is needed for US security are rubbish. China want to sent ships to America, they already can do this through the Pacific Ocean. There is a absolutely no reason to go over the treacherous route near Greenland. Same for Russia. They have several routes already from Murmansk to Wladiwostok. Nuclear attack submarines can tunnel dive under the north polar ice cab. American subs have demonstrated this in the late 50’s. But then again, Russia isn’t a real threat any more or is this not true? It can’t be both? It’s all BS. One day, it’s needed for national security, another day it’s for minerals. it’s just a pretense just like with drugs. most drugs get smuggled over the US Mexican birder. If Trump wanted to fix this, he would just install all the advanced equipment and put the people needed in place to inspect every truck, train and car that crosses. This would not be easy but sure be easier than to attack any country in the world where drug come from of that smuggle drugs etc because the US happens to be the largest market for this stuff. And for sure, he would not pardon one of the largest drug dealers in ever because he was treated to harshly all of a sudden. https://www.npr.org/2025/12/02/nx-s1-5628382/trump-pardons-honduran-ex-president-juan-orlando-hernandez The amount of nonsensical stuff that this administration puts out to explain the increasingly erratic actions is quite something but for sure not 4 D chess . Hey man...we just fixed Iran and data centers are being built in space. Market is going up, all is well.
Sweet Posted January 18 Posted January 18 12 hours ago, cubsfan said: I think I follow you and I am not defending the USA owning Greenland. If you read the security document that the Trump administration provided the public in December, his strategy is very clear: 1) Fortress North America (Western Hemisphere) is his first, most pressing priority. That is the responsibility of the United States, not Europe. 2) Europe's priority should be Fortress Europe with substantial defense from Russia in mind. 3) The real adversary of the USA is China, not Russia - and getting/keeping them out of the Western Hemisphere. 4) The gapping security hole via the Arctic circle will be dealt with (as was the Panama Canal). That is America's responsibility, regardless of how NATO prioritizes it. 5) The USA has limited resources militarily - and this President is reprioritizing them to align with his vision. NATO will do what it's going to do, but their priorities are not necessarily ours. How Trump goes about accomplishing all this, whether owning Greenland or not - I will not predict. Not sure why the artic should be solely the responsibility of the US. Europe can also easily argue that they need Greenland for national security too - just as credibly. Anyway, we are mere watchers, we will see what happens.
John Hjorth Posted January 18 Posted January 18 (edited) 13 minutes ago, dealraker said: Hey man...we just fixed Iran and data centers are being built in space. Market is going up, all is well. Yup, untill markets in the West open again - We're long term, right- But tomorrow is too long termish thinking, right Edited January 18 by John Hjorth
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