73 Reds Posted January 6 Posted January 6 4 hours ago, Milu said: I find the best approach whenever trump does something is to go through these few questions 1. Has a former US president or other western world leader done something similar to this? 2. Was I worried/outraged when they did? 3. If not, then why am I getting worried/outraged this time? The answers to these usually prevents the common knee-jerk reaction that the media has instilled that everything trump does is unprecedented. @Milu don't try to be logical with people void of logical thought.
dealraker Posted January 6 Posted January 6 54 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: @Milu don't try to be logical with people void of logical thought. So basically what you are stating Reds, actually clearly stating, is that Trump isn't doing anything that all other presidents have done. So the big question then is: Why does his cult lust so much for him? Why do they see him as so special?
73 Reds Posted January 6 Posted January 6 (edited) 14 minutes ago, dealraker said: So basically what you are stating Reds, actually clearly stating, is that Trump isn't doing anything that all other presidents have done. So the big question then is: Why does his cult lust so much for him? Why do they see him as so special? Was referring more to some of the sad excuses we now have for congressional lawmakers. But read into it what you wish. The "cult" narrative is getting quite tired. Projecting your descriptive on a largely silent supportive majority doesn't make it any more real. Edited January 6 by 73 Reds word
SharperDingaan Posted January 6 Posted January 6 (edited) 2 hours ago, Spekulatius said: This Maduro thing is very scary for Putin. This was exactly the military special operation he wanted to pull of (beheading the Ukrainian government, capturing Zelensky ) but could not and it ended in stalemate war now that destroys his economy. The pic with Maduro being captured in an airplane and the water bottle is got to be the stuff of his nightmares. Putin is paranoid as hell about his own safety so he surely thinks about that he could in a twist of events end up in the same situation. I also think that Europe should put a bounty on his head, maybe 50M Euros for his capture. Not that they can execute his capture but it sends a message. Then he needs to worry every time he travels out of Russia that some entrepreneur may want to collect it. I don’t think they would do this but it would be a smart move, imo. It is much more likely that Putin tries to snatch Zelenski; 'cause if the US can do it, we can too. It will be to Europe to see that the attempt fails, and put a 'shock & awe' bounty on Putin's extraction; the 'let's play' - Euro 250M+, in BTC, to attract sovereigns, mercenaries, and locals ... no questions asked. Add another Euro 50M every 4 months, and Putin becomes a walking ATM ... in a very dangerous place It is becoming quite clear that both Venezuela and Columbia are going to resist. According to Trump/Rubio, we will 'run' Venezuela via control of their oil exports (ongoing warship embargo). Carrot & stick; do as we say and we'll allow cargoes to leave, don't and we snatch/topple you ... same as we did with the other guy. Have to think that the same ships, will doing the same things ... to Columbia as well. Yet a number of VZ tankers slipped the blockade on the night of the attack ... hence it would appear that bribery is alive and well Russians versus Americans to restore the oil production isn't sustainable for any length of time. Bribing to minimise the ongoing sabotage of facilities, and maximise oil exports, also has limits ... as every political opposition knows. Make the colony ungovernable, pull in the conquerors troops, strangle them, and eventually they will give the colony up to you ..... Vietnam, Afghanistan, Middle East, etc, etc, etc. US companies have TWICE been evicted from Venezuela already; it would seem the US is now trying for a 3rd? We live in interesting times. SD Edited January 6 by SharperDingaan
dealraker Posted January 6 Posted January 6 9 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Was referring more to some of the sad excuses we now have for congressional lawmakers. But read into it what you wish. The "cult" narrative is getting quite tired. Projecting your descriptive on a largely silent supportive majority doesn't make it any more real. I'd not worry too much about those lawmakers, they self-promoted themselves into total irrelevancy. Good for now I guess for those worshiping with the Trump cult, but if and when we have another presidential election all this newfound one-stop-shopping power goes to the next guy. Hmm...and for the cult? Well, what's almost assured to happen at some point and oh lordy this aint' gunna suit them much. What goes around, comes around.
73 Reds Posted January 6 Posted January 6 (edited) 18 minutes ago, dealraker said: I'd not worry too much about those lawmakers, they self-promoted themselves into total irrelevancy. Good for now I guess for those worshiping with the Trump cult, but if and when we have another presidential election all this newfound one-stop-shopping power goes to the next guy. Hmm...and for the cult? Well, what's almost assured to happen at some point and oh lordy this aint' gunna suit them much. What goes around, comes around. It is those lawmakers in districts that vote them in again and again that are the most worrisome. They're not going anywhere unless or until the people voting them into office become more self-aware. The real cult was created by the main stream media decades ago after true newsmen like Cronkite, Huntley and Brinkley all went away. You remember when the "news" was factually reported on TV? Then came the CNNs of the World, where they'd broadcast the same burning tire in East Jerusalem for years in order to persuade the World that Israel was torturing Palestinians. Yet many of us were capable of thinking for ourselves. We were able to distinguish real factual events from some leftist politically-motivated network ideology disguised as "news" and narrated to us by yes-men and women. It just took far too long for the main stream media cult to finally get called out and dismantled. And it took someone like Trump to put the final nail in the coffin. Edited January 6 by 73 Reds spelling
John Hjorth Posted January 6 Posted January 6 49 minutes ago, SharperDingaan said: It is much more likely that Putin tries to snatch Zelenski; 'cause if the US can do it, we can too.'. ... This is like the three men stranded on an island after a shipwreck joke, a box of canned food drifting to the shores of the tiny island,the three men with no canopener available on the island. [ref. Mike [ @boilermaker75 ] earlier here on CofB&F.] Is already evident, that Putin can't take Zelenskyi, nor Ukraine, by facts already present. He has already tried.
SharperDingaan Posted January 6 Posted January 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, John Hjorth said: This is like the three men stranded on an island after a shipwreck joke, a box of canned food drifting to the shores of the tiny island,the three men with no canopener available on the island. [ref. Mike [ @boilermaker75 ] earlier here on CofB&F.] Is already evident, that Putin can't take Zelenskyi, nor Ukraine, by facts already present. He has already tried. Putin has Spetnaz, helicopters, fighters, etc. as well. Just a matter of trying under cover of a drone attack. 3 men on a boat, but one of them tosses honey onto you ... while the boat is crossing a field of fire ants . Fall off the boat and you're eaten alive. Very Russian .... and when there are no high buildings ... SD Edited January 6 by SharperDingaan
UK Posted January 6 Posted January 6 1 hour ago, SharperDingaan said: It is much more likely that Putin tries to snatch Zelenski I think this was already tried many times:)
Dalal.Holdings Posted January 6 Posted January 6 https://www.wsj.com/opinion/international-law-venezuela-nicolas-maduro-united-nations-china-russia-c68f4427 As is common, the WSJ editorial board cuts through leftist hysteria...this time about "International Law"
Luke Posted January 6 Posted January 6 3 hours ago, John Hjorth said: Greenland cont'd : This has just boken minutyes ago, from the coalition of willing meeting today, uploaded to the Federal German government website : Bundesregierung.de [January 6th 2026] : Joint Statement on Greenland : - - - o 0 o - - - In short, the more agressive POTUS becomes in his imperialistic propensities and initiatives towards Greenland, the more sidelined and pushed outside the door in NATO he becomes, the Coalition of the Willing is stopping including him in decisions and communication in NATO, thereby in reality gradually dismantling NATO over time. [This is exactly what @Spekulatius has expressed upstream in this topic now for quite some time, btw. ] This a' great' Catch-22 for POTUS. To me, likely, he does not understand it, and don't care about it, and he'll just blame Biden, or somebody else. - - - o 0 o - - - This is totally unprecendent from the respective of NATO. Trumps comments and motives regarding greenland are disgusting and scandalous - recent polls show that at max 6% would want to join the US - understandbly so because in denmark you enjoy the highest inner security in europa, very high benefits and safety standards compared to the US, more vacation, a better future for your children...its a no brainer to stay under the umbrella of denmark. If i could swap Germany with Denmark right now i would do it, thats how much better their current government is also in tackling migration etc. Europe needs to arm up - also against the US. We need to protect our land and companies and way of life! WE need to build out infrastructure in our ressource rich countries and offer fair salaries, vacation and pay and not give US multinationals an even bigger share of the pie... 3 hours ago, John Hjorth said: Christ, I like this psychological take on how this may be affecting Putin! Personally, I've been advokating for a bounty 100 million USD, now let make that EUR, perhaps also throwing in a wish the mans arms may shrink and his butt scratch. ] Yeah 50m is not enough. I think 100m is minimum for someone risking their life and eventually being tortured till death in a russian goulag...
John Hjorth Posted January 6 Posted January 6 7 minutes ago, SharperDingaan said: Putin has Spetnas, helicopters, fighters, etc. as well. Just a matter of trying under cover of a drone attack. ... SD [ @SharperDingaan ], He has already tried. For good reasons, you [as a Canadian], don't get daily reports live on TV from - in my case - Danish reporters on location about what's going on in Ukrane, the sentiment among the Ukrainian citizens documentented by street interviews and all that, etc. It's just day dreams of an old thug with imperial aspirations, anchored in the past of what once was Russia. Let me here just state, that you're wrong.
Dalal.Holdings Posted January 6 Posted January 6 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Luke said: Trumps comments and motives regarding greenland are disgusting and scandalous - recent polls show that at max 6% would want to join the US - understandbly so because in denmark you enjoy the highest inner security in europa, very high benefits and safety standards compared to the US, more vacation, a better future for your children...its a no brainer to stay under the umbrella of denmark. If i could swap Germany with Denmark right now i would do it, thats how much better their current government is also in tackling migration etc. https://www.veriangroup.com/news-and-insights/opinion-poll-greenland-2025 Quote 56% of Greenlanders answer that they would vote yes to Greenlandic independence if a referendum were held today, 28% would vote no, and 17% do not know what they would vote for. The uncertainty on 'Yes' is +/- 4.4 percentage points and on 'No' +/- 4.0 percentage points. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenlandic_independence Quote A 2019 poll showed that 67.8% of Greenlanders support independence from Denmark sometime in the next two decades.[39] Careful about those polls: Majority of Greenlanders don't want to be part of Denmark or Europe's "safety standards" or "long vacations" lol you are wrong about that buddy Is Denmark cool if Greenland becomes independent? I thought Europeans were all about "decolonizing" the world. They should let the people of Greenland have their Freedom Edited January 6 by Dalal.Holdings
Gregmal Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Oof, we gotta chill out because this majestic crumbling of the rotted out white picket fence these ideological liberal clowns live behind is happening at warp speed. Are we really about “independence of Greenland” or…..something else?
Luke Posted January 6 Posted January 6 7 minutes ago, Dalal.Holdings said: https://www.veriangroup.com/news-and-insights/opinion-poll-greenland-2025 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenlandic_independence Careful about those polls: Majority of Greenlanders don't want to be part of Denmark or Europe's "safety standards" or "long vacations" lol you are wrong about that buddy Is Denmark cool if Greenland becomes independent? I thought Europeans were all about "decolonizing" the world. They should let the people of Greenland have their Freedom Okay - because they already have standards that are similar to the EU. 6% at max want to have to do something with the US buddy
Red Lion Posted January 6 Posted January 6 3 hours ago, John Hjorth said: Christ, I like this psychological take on how this may be affecting Putin! Personally, I've been advokating for a bounty 100 million USD, now let make that EUR, perhaps also throwing in a wish the mans arms may shrink and his butt scratch. ] What are your thoughts about Putin's nuclear arsenal? Seems about a billion times more risky to try to kidnap/assassinate Putin than Maduro.
Dalal.Holdings Posted January 6 Posted January 6 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Luke said: Okay - because they already have standards that are similar to the EU. 6% at max want to have to do something with the US buddy Greenland wants to be free -- they definitely don't want to live under the oppressive regulatory regime of the EU. When they are independent, they'll move much closer to the U.S. in terms of relations. There will probably be long term U.S.-Greenland deals & treaties hashed out at that point, maybe like Compact of Free Association (COFA) U.S. has with Marshall Islands. It's really Denmark standing in the way of freeing its colony. Europeans are anti-colonial leftists now (just ignore their long history of colonizing the entire world for hundreds of years), so they should free the indigenous & oppressed people of Greenland ! Edited January 6 by Dalal.Holdings
Luke Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Just now, Dalal.Holdings said: Greenland wants to be free -- they definitely don't want to live under the oppressive regulatory regime of the EU. When they are independent, they'll move much closer to the U.S. in terms of relations. There will probably be long term U.S.-Greenland deals hashed out at that point. It's really Denmark standing in the way of freeing its colony. Europeans are anti-colonial now (just ignore their history on the matter), so they should free the indigenous & oppressed people of Greenland ! We have fundamentally different views of our respective countries. I think that only 6% want to join the US speaks miles and for itself. They have their own culture - they want to have their own way of life and not the orange dictator in washington nor control from brussels.
Dalal.Holdings Posted January 6 Posted January 6 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Luke said: We have fundamentally different views of our respective countries. I think that only 6% want to join the US speaks miles and for itself. They have their own culture - they want to have their own way of life and not the orange dictator in washington nor control from brussels. When they earn their freedom from Denmark, they will realize it is not easy to be an independent nation of 57,000 people with no real agriculture or major exports. The U.S. will make deals with them similar to Micronesia to preserve their culture. Orange man will be gone by this point so the 6% won't really matter (it's 6% now because they are triggered by Orange Man). The 57,000 people will be happy to have visa free access to the U.S. and the protection of the world's most powerful military. Edited January 6 by Dalal.Holdings
John Hjorth Posted January 6 Posted January 6 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Red Lion said: What are your thoughts about Putin's nuclear arsenal? Seems about a billion times more risky to try to kidnap/assassinate Putin than Maduro. Thanks for asking, @Red Lion, Not like taking out OBL, but more a sniper spec ops, where the ressources need to be spend on getting spec op team out secure after job done [spec op infrastructure, stressing Apollo and Brookfield not involved! - lol!]. [In fact, I find it likely, someone is already on it [perhaps?, perhaps likely Russian, Ukrainian?], however I can't find any public collections related to it, lol!] Edited January 6 by John Hjorth Added something Apollo and Brookfield releted.
changegonnacome Posted January 6 Posted January 6 54 minutes ago, SharperDingaan said: According to Trump/Rubio, we will 'run' Venezuela Yep all the facts are coming out now......Trump/Rubio aren't running anything.......Trump simply ran his mouth off at the press conference in Mar A Lago and subsequently at press huddles......Rubio et al have been walking this back for days now.....to the extent the new VZ VP wanted to acquiesce to US pressure post the capture of Maduro Trump's big guy bluster aren't helpful at all....it has undoubtedly unleashed nationalistic forces in VZ that will be marshaled by the opposition to their own end and against US aims. What a dumb thing to say by a sitting US President after such a successful decapitation operation.
Luke Posted January 6 Posted January 6 15 minutes ago, Dalal.Holdings said: When they earn their freedom from Denmark, they will realize it is not easy to be an independent nation of 57,000 people with no real agriculture or major exports. The U.S. will make deals with them similar to Micronesia to preserve their culture. Orange man will be gone by this point so the 6% won't really matter (it's 6% now because they are triggered by Orange Man). The 57,000 people will be happy to have visa free access to the U.S. and the protection of the world's most powerful military. They will rather choose the EU than the US as can be seen by the 6%
SharperDingaan Posted January 6 Posted January 6 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Red Lion said: What are your thoughts about Putin's nuclear arsenal? Seems about a billion times more risky to try to kidnap/assassinate Putin than Maduro. Put up enough of a bounty, and the codes magically change just before the snatch ... Demonstrate capability via a snatch out of Russia vs an assassination, and nobody is going to bother you Of course, if you're unable to snatch the opposition first .... all that you can do is try to eliminate the likely home suspects first. However, eventually Caeser goes down to a group 'hug' on the Ides of March; and a one-way flight out of Russia ... baring the odd tall building The 'new' guy takes over, Putin looses all his diplomatic privileges; do what you want with him! SD Edited January 6 by SharperDingaan
Spooky Posted January 6 Posted January 6 5 hours ago, Spekulatius said: Investment implication: be careful with investments out of the sphere you live in It’s also good for defense stocks. I think we will see an arms race if this is truly the age of Neo imperialism. This likely ends with wars, if history is any gage. This is my view as well, we know where this leads. We are already in a hybrid / cold world war, the world is a tinderbox right now.
John Hjorth Posted January 6 Posted January 6 32 minutes ago, Red Lion said: What are your thoughts about Putin's nuclear arsenal? Seems about a billion times more risky to try to kidnap/assassinate Putin than Maduro. Added something Apollo and Brookfield related to my post original reply to you above. I simply coulden't help it.
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