Red Lion Posted January 6 Posted January 6 38 minutes ago, John Hjorth said: [spec op infrastructure, stressing Apollo and Brookfield not involved! - lol!].
Parsad Posted January 6 Posted January 6 5 hours ago, Spekulatius said: This Maduro thing is very scary for Putin. This was exactly the military special operation he wanted to pull of (beheading the Ukrainian government, capturing Zelensky ) but could not and it ended in stalemate war now that destroys his economy. The pic with Maduro being captured in an airplane and the water bottle is got to be the stuff of his nightmares. Putin is paranoid as hell about his own safety so he surely thinks about that he could in a twist of events end up in the same situation. I also think that Europe should put a bounty on his head, maybe 50M Euros for his capture. Not that they can execute his capture but it sends a message. Then he needs to worry every time he travels out of Russia that some entrepreneur may want to collect it. I don’t think they would do this but it would be a smart move, imo. Maduro didn't have nukes! Cheers!
Red Lion Posted January 6 Posted January 6 1 minute ago, Parsad said: Maduro didn't have nukes! Cheers! Exactly. 1) If the attempted capture failed, I wouldn't want to live in the western world (especially Europe!) 2) Putin strikes me as the sort of guy that probably has a contingency plan to do some nasty stuff if he were to be killed/captured.
73 Reds Posted January 6 Posted January 6 3 minutes ago, Red Lion said: Exactly. 1) If the attempted capture failed, I wouldn't want to live in the western world (especially Europe!) 2) Putin strikes me as the sort of guy that probably has a contingency plan to do some nasty stuff if he were to be killed/captured. Putin is worth more than a lot of countries. He's got his own little corner of the World ready to go if all else fails. Straight out of a James Bond movie.
Parsad Posted January 6 Posted January 6 2 minutes ago, Red Lion said: Exactly. 1) If the attempted capture failed, I wouldn't want to live in the western world (especially Europe!) 2) Putin strikes me as the sort of guy that probably has a contingency plan to do some nasty stuff if he were to be killed/captured. There were rumors he had cancer a while back. He has no real attachment to this world other than one daughter I believe. Why would he give a fuck what happens to it when he's gone? That guy isn't afraid to do nasty stuff if it means his own demise or imprisonment! Cheers!
Parsad Posted January 6 Posted January 6 10 hours ago, Paarslaars said: They probably will but the question is has anything not been redacted other than Clinton. Still only released 1%...but I guess us libtards are just making a big deal about nothing due to our TDS...and Maduro is a war criminal! Cheers! https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/06/politics/epstein-files-justice-department-review
Xerxes Posted January 6 Posted January 6 7 hours ago, Spekulatius said: This Maduro thing is very scary for Putin. This was exactly the military special operation he wanted to pull of (beheading the Ukrainian government, capturing Zelensky ) but could not and it ended in stalemate war now that destroys his economy. The pic with Maduro being captured in an airplane and the water bottle is got to be the stuff of his nightmares. Putin is paranoid as hell about his own safety so he surely thinks about that he could in a twist of events end up in the same situation. I also think that Europe should put a bounty on his head, maybe 50M Euros for his capture. Not that they can execute his capture but it sends a message. Then he needs to worry every time he travels out of Russia that some entrepreneur may want to collect it. I don’t think they would do this but it would be a smart move, imo. I think he is more embarrassed/annoyed by Maduro situation than scared. He had already moved to armoured train for some of his internal travel. On travelling aboard he uses Russia vast airspace and counts on statesmanship and he is selective where he goes. Don’t forget that when Biden went to Kiev during the war, his travel was disclosed to Russians as part of security measures. Head of states are suppose to be untouchables. Usually the unwritten rule is followed among peers. But Zelenskyy is not a peer, so …. Nor is Maduro On Ukraine and Zelenskyy, I don’t think he considered the comedian Zelenskyy relevant enough to have a kidnapping plan. After the initial invasion bogged down yeah. But not as part of that initial invasion.
Gregmal Posted January 6 Posted January 6 1 hour ago, Parsad said: There were rumors he had cancer a while back. He has no real attachment to this world other than one daughter I believe. Why would he give a fuck what happens to it when he's gone? That guy isn't afraid to do nasty stuff if it means his own demise or imprisonment! Cheers! Isn’t that amusing though? The “typical” bad actors in MSM regularly do this to try to undermine guys they don’t like. They’ve been attempting to do it with Trump lately. Claiming they’re ill or having health issues. Alas they’ve been outed as having zero credibility in that field too(much like “the polls” guys)….Putin is still fine, and they missed/purposely mucked reporting on “the big guy” despite my god soooo much clear and indisputable evidence even from day 1.
Xerxes Posted January 6 Posted January 6 1 hour ago, Red Lion said: Exactly. 1) If the attempted capture failed, I wouldn't want to live in the western world (especially Europe!) 2) Putin strikes me as the sort of guy that probably has a contingency plan to do some nasty stuff if he were to be killed/captured. That is the issue with Western world. They always need a central cast for villain, and concentrate on that one key person. Putin or not, there is the entire Kremlin complex right behind him. And they are largely in line with their current leader.
Sweet Posted January 6 Posted January 6 5 minutes ago, Xerxes said: That is the issue with Western world. They always need a central cast for villain, and concentrate on that one key person. Putin or not, there is the entire Kremlin complex right behind him. And they are largely in line with their current leader. Who was it before Putin? I remember a long period where there were no central villains and Putin was thought of as mutual friend - though not an ally.
Gregmal Posted January 6 Posted January 6 9 minutes ago, Sweet said: Who was it before Putin? I remember a long period where there were no central villains and Putin was thought of as mutual friend - though not an ally. yea he and Dubya were besties and he even got that "Man of The Year" award from western publication like two decades ago. Then we needed an "enemy" following the GFC and.....
Red Lion Posted January 6 Posted January 6 47 minutes ago, Xerxes said: That is the issue with Western world. They always need a central cast for villain, and concentrate on that one key person. Putin or not, there is the entire Kremlin complex right behind him. And they are largely in line with their current leader. 100% But I wouldn’t put it past Putin personally to ensure the use of nuclear force in the event of his untimely demise. I feel like the entire kremlin complex would have much stronger incentives not to start a nuclear war. If there’s even a 1% possibility, is this a risk work taking? I actually feel there are similar risks at play with the Ukraine conflict. I’m just speculating, but the nuclear question is hard to answer no matter how much insight one possesses on foreign affairs.
John Hjorth Posted January 6 Posted January 6 2 hours ago, Parsad said: There were rumors he had cancer a while back. He has no real attachment to this world other than one daughter I believe. Why would he give a fuck what happens to it when he's gone? That guy isn't afraid to do nasty stuff if it means his own demise or imprisonment! Cheers! Sanjeev [ @Parsad ], Just for your [gossip, an thereby sleezy ?] information : Wikipedia : Family of Vladimir Putin : Quote ... In 1983, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin married Lyudmila Alexandrovna Shkrebneva (later a graduate of the philological faculty of Leningrad University, a teacher of German). In 1985, a daughter, Maria, was born in this family, and in 1986 they had a second daughter, Katerina (both were named after their grandmothers). They studied at the St. Petersburg private gymnasium Petershule (Peterschule), with in-depth study of the German language, then for two years at the German School Moscow. Since 2000, for safety reasons, Putin's daughters have completely switched to homeschooling. It is known that they take fitness and wushu classes, and that they are fluent in English, German, and French and Maria also speaks Dutch. Katerina also knows Korean.[15] On 6 June 2013, Putin and Lyudmila announced that they were planning to divorce; on 1 April 2014, their marriage was formally annulled.[16][17][18] It is widely believed that Putin has fathered at least three illegitimate children: a daughter and two sons. Elizaveta Rozova Vladimirovna, who is also known as Elizaveta Krivonogikh, Luiza Rozova and Elizaveta Olegovna Rudnova, was born in 2003 and lives in Paris. Her mother is Svetlana Krivonogikh, a former cleaning woman who worked for Putin while he was still married to Lyudmila. She alleges that Putin is her father, a claim that neither Putin nor the Kremlin have disputed. Svetlana Krivonogikh went from being a cleaning woman to now owning luxury properties in multiple countries.[19][20][21] Alina Kabaeva, with whom Putin has had a relationship since at around 2000, has two sons who are widely presumed to be Putin's.[22][23][24] So, I'm not totally sure, he has been moving zippers up and down in his trousers just only to keep them functional and closed when on him[the zippers! and the trousers!], not stucked [Here, only the the zippers!], almost like in turning an engine now and then, if not in use [<- Did I really post that?, ]. In short, men are incurable chasers of the other gender! It's in their genetic code to throw genes around, so why not [also] Putin?
Xerxes Posted January 6 Posted January 6 1 hour ago, Sweet said: Who was it before Putin? I remember a long period where there were no central villains and Putin was thought of as mutual friend - though not an ally. Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Cherchnikov Even Gorbachev was eyed suspiciously by the VP (bush senior) in his dealing with Reagan, until it became clear that he really meant it. Let’s face it; we need our Sauron
Sweet Posted January 6 Posted January 6 3 minutes ago, Xerxes said: Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Cherchnikov Even Gorbachev was eyed suspiciously by the VP (bush senior) in his dealing with Reagan, until it became clear that he really meant it. Let’s face it; we need our Sauron Im referring to a time when Yeltsin was president, including an early period of Putin’s reign, where I don’t recall there being a central villains, probably a 20 year period, which coincides with the military decline of Europe.
Sweet Posted January 6 Posted January 6 1 hour ago, Gregmal said: yea he and Dubya were besties and he even got that "Man of The Year" award from western publication like two decades ago. Then we needed an "enemy" following the GFC and..... I don’t view it like that. It was when Putin invaded Georgia that turned him into a villain in Western eyes.
DooDiligence Posted January 6 Posted January 6 I'd say you can't make this stuff up, but apparently you can. https://www.whitehouse.gov/j6/
SharperDingaan Posted January 6 Posted January 6 (edited) It would seem that Iran is very close to regime change .... Iran’s supreme leader will ‘flee for Russia’ if protests overwhelm security. Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, reportedly has a "plan B" to flee to Russia with up to 20 aides and family if ongoing protests overwhelm security forces.This contingency plan would be activated should the army and security forces tasked with suppressing the unrest begin to defect or fail to follow orders. https://www.independent.co.uk/bulletin/news/ayatollah-khamenei-iran-protests-russia-b2894827.html?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=Feed Yesterday, the Jerusalem Post was reporting sources telling Mossad of recent mass desertions within the Iranian military. If true, the clock has already started .... Rapid Russian Il-76 cargo deployments into Iran underscore crisis-driven military reinforcement, heightened regime stabilisation efforts, and deepening strategic alignment between Moscow and Tehran. The confirmed landing of a fifth Russian Ilyushin Il-76 heavy military transport aircraft in Iran within a tightly compressed 48-hour window represents a conspicuous escalation in Moscow’s physical support to Tehran. Militarily, the repeated Il-76 landings compress decision-making timelines for Israel and the United States by raising the possibility that Iran’s integrated air-defence network, electronic warfare resilience, and domestic surveillance density are being quietly but materially upgraded in near-real time. https://defencesecurityasia.com/en/russia-il76-military-airlift-iran-fifth-plane-tehran-escalation/ It is highly unlikely that cargo planes arriving full .... are departing empty; or that those disposed to strike, are going to allow much further upgrading. Friday nights after NA markets have closed, seems to be favoured when potential outcomes are likely to move markets. The mysteries are whether the powers that be 1) allow 'Plan-B', 2) choose to intervene, and 3) whether those military upgrades are Chinese, ahead of a Chinese takeover of Iranian production .... as China also needs oil, and are competent at producing from oil fields as well. Whatever the outcomes; each has the potential to move markets. If it occurs... a hell of a way to start the year. SD Edited January 6 by SharperDingaan
cubsfan Posted January 6 Posted January 6 1 hour ago, DooDiligence said: I'd say you can't make this stuff up, but apparently you can. https://www.whitehouse.gov/j6/ Yeah, you are correct - Pelosi and company made the whole thing up. Too bad everyone knows it now.
Xerxes Posted January 6 Posted January 6 2 hours ago, Sweet said: Im referring to a time when Yeltsin was president, including an early period of Putin’s reign, where I don’t recall there being a central villains, probably a 20 year period, which coincides with the military decline of Europe. No central villain then, pre Munich security 2006-08 timeframe. Even the bombing of Moscow towers (largely attributed to FSB) that started the second Chechnyan War and its atrocities was largely “looked over” as internal affairs. Kremlin was being “constructive” back then. A team player who was willingly letting NATO feasting on its Warsaw Pact l at its limbs.
Spekulatius Posted January 7 Posted January 7 12 hours ago, John Hjorth said: Greenland cont'd : This has just boken minutyes ago, from the coalition of willing meeting today, uploaded to the Federal German government website : Bundesregierung.de [January 6th 2026] : Joint Statement on Greenland : - - - o 0 o - - - In short, the more agressive POTUS becomes in his imperialistic propensities and initiatives towards Greenland, the more sidelined and pushed outside the door in NATO he becomes, the Coalition of the Willing is stopping including him in decisions and communication in NATO, thereby in reality gradually dismantling NATO over time. [This is exactly what @Spekulatius has expressed upstream in this topic now for quite some time, btw. ] This a' great' Catch-22 for POTUS. To me, likely, he does not understand it, and don't care about it, and he'll just blame Biden, or somebody else. - - - o 0 o - - - This is totally unprecendent from the respective of NATO. I don’ t think Trump cares about NATO, he has checked out of this club a while ago. The clearest evidence was that security paper where he put himself as the mediator between NATO and Russia, even though the USA is still member of NATO. The sooner the European leader realize that NATO is over and a NATO 2.0 without the USA needs to be build, the better of Europe is. Maybe the annexation of Greenland will provide the catalyst. I think it’s coming.
Spekulatius Posted January 7 Posted January 7 10 hours ago, SharperDingaan said: It is much more likely that Putin tries to snatch Zelenski; 'cause if the US can do it, we can too Putin tried this at the beginning of the invasion and his spies failed. I think there were several attempts to kill Zelensky after wards too. It’s only fair game if Ukraine could return the favor. I think the Europeans could help Ukraine to do so- you can take his jet down with a bit of luck with a shoulder fired missile when it’s landing just to name one example.
Spekulatius Posted January 7 Posted January 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, Xerxes said: No central villain then, pre Munich security 2006-08 timeframe. Even the bombing of Moscow towers (largely attributed to FSB) that started the second Chechnyan War and its atrocities was largely “looked over” as internal affairs. Kremlin was being “constructive” back then. A team player who was willingly letting NATO feasting on its Warsaw Pact l at its limbs. Putin wasn’t anti NATO / west when he was elected. He somehow jumped the shark in the 2001-2007 time frame , when he developed his current ideological framework. In an alternative Universe without Putin, it would have been plausible and perhaps likely that Russia joined NATO. Edited January 7 by Spekulatius
dwy000 Posted January 7 Posted January 7 1 hour ago, Spekulatius said: I don’ t think Trump cares about NATO, he has checked out of this club a while ago. The clearest evidence was that security paper where he put himself as the mediator between NATO and Russia, even though the USA is still member of NATO. The sooner the European leader realize that NATO is over and a NATO 2.0 without the USA needs to be build, the better of Europe is. Maybe the annexation of Greenland will provide the catalyst. I think it’s coming. Suspect they're hanging around the hoop for a couple of years hoping more rational heads prevail.
Xerxes Posted January 7 Posted January 7 2 hours ago, Spekulatius said: Putin wasn’t anti NATO / west when he was elected. He somehow jumped the shark in the 2001-2007 time frame , when he developed his current ideological framework. In an alternative Universe without Putin, it would have been plausible and perhaps likely that Russia joined NATO. When the Great War of 1914-18 felled the Ottoman Empire, the Turks had to scramble to carve a piece of land (for their own kin) out of the empire that was once theirs. The transition from empire to nation happened in those violent years. There is an alternative history where the Turks wouldn’t be able to carve out a land big enough to have critical mass. When the Soviet Union fell, it went out in a whimper. The new nations out of it were based on the borders of various Soviet republic. Unlike the Turks, the Russian didn’t have a chance to fight and transition from empire to nationhood. So the dream remains. Dormant. But always there.
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