Political Posts

[Sweet]

2 minutes ago, John Hjorth said:

 

I think I understand your post, @Sweet,

 

But the whole British situation in that regard simply roots much deeper. Why do some British women get into such situation? The answer to that question is where to begin.

Unfortunately John I think it’s two things.  The first is a deep moral rot in the hearts of our governing class, and the second is cowardice for fear or being called racist, misogynist, transphobic etc.

 

If you are a person who gets into these things, you have 24 weeks to figure it out.  Across Europe that is already the among the most liberal abortion laws.  After that you take your medicine.

 

It’s little to cheer about, but I am glad to see that most social commentary from British people seem to be against this legalisation.

 

This is extremism, a form i can’t quite put my finger on, it’s not hard left, it’s not certainly not politically right.  I wish I was better with words.

[Red Lion]

1 hour ago, John Hjorth said:

And knowhow is very difficult to remove from the surface of the Earth by the use of bombs.

I'd say the targeted assassinations have probably yielded at least SOME results on this end though. 

 

I can't see why the USA wouldn't use its bunker busters in this case, I feel like that's the most likely outcome over the next few weeks if Iran doesn't make some huge concessions and/or regime change in the short term. 

[Red Lion]

27 minutes ago, Sweet said:

On a different note.  Today, the UK parliament voted to decriminalise abortions up until birth.
 

This change does not mean medical professional can abort a baby after 24 weeks, the legal limit remains the same, but it does mean if someone decides to do a ‘back street’ abortion on a 40 week baby they won’t be prosecuted.

 

One of our MPs said of women who kill their baby after 24 weeks of pregnancy that “these women need care and support, and not criminalisation".

 

It’s another example of the politics of denigrating the rights of one group of people so as spare the feelings, or shield from consequence, people of another group.  I don’t know how anyone can think this is right.  I am ashamed to call myself a British person tonight, our country is a disgrace, as are all those who voted for this - fuck them.

 

 

So would this decriminalize a botched backstreet abortion as well? Seems like this is an incredibly slippery slope. 

[Sweet]

4 minutes ago, Red Lion said:

 

So would this decriminalize a botched backstreet abortion as well? Seems like this is an incredibly slippery slope. 

Good question.  As far as I know, no, the abortion must be performed in a hospital or dedicated unit.

 

Bizarrely, we could have the someone who performs a backstreet abortion prosecuted but not the mother.  I think that’s how the law comes down.

 

Most of these cases aren’t ‘back street’ but I believe the mother takes a pill which I think kills the baby.

 

There have been cases where a woman has taken an abortion pill in the belief that they were much earlier in pregnancy - those are hard cases.  But as the saying goes, hard cases make for bad laws.

[Parsad]

12 hours ago, whiskybravo said:

The Republican Party of the recent past were bungling loose cannons who lied to get us in the Iraq war debacle.  These overconfident, irresponsible neocons caused me to vote for Kerry, Obama twice, Hillary, and Biden.  Sorry I couldn’t vote for Harris (too far to the left, temperament not suited for the job, not vetted through primary process).

 

I have never voted for Trump (didn’t cast a presidential ballot last year), as I don’t think his temperament is fit for the job.  Having said that, short of his ridiculous tariff policy implementation and the looming fiscal danger ( I know no small things), I’m in favor of much of his agenda.  
 

Like W’s administration turned me away from the Republicans, Biden’s turned me away from the Dems.  Energy secretary Jennifer Granholm saying the military fleet could be all electric by 2030 is a nonstarter.  How can anyone think we are not better off with Chris Wright? Who could think we would be better off with the border completely undefended?

 

I was hoping Biden was going to be the adult in the room as he assured us in the 2020 campaign, but he caved to the left.  So here we are.  I’m disheartened to see the Dems seem to be doubling down on their leftist tendencies.

 

I appreciate this board Parsad.  It is unique in allowing different viewpoints with a pretty reasonable degree of respect.

 

+1!  I agree with you.  The failures of past parties is what led to Trump.  There was a book Larry Sarbit talked about like nearly 20 years ago.  It discussed how the U.S. ends up getting the political party they deserve for whatever reason.  Trump's ascendency is a culmination of epic failures by so many other administrations...both parties!  And the resulting chaos and acceptance of that chaos is what the U.S. has unwittingly asked for and rightfully deserved.  Cheers!

[Parsad]

11 hours ago, 73 Reds said:

The entire issue is rather simple IMO:  Used to be that all the kooks and crazies of the world were on the right.  Today they are on the left.  The sooner the Democrats recognize this and don't run politicians like Joe Mancin and likely Fetterman out of politics, the quicker they will return to some degree of respectability.  Otherwise, Trump and MAGA will reign supreme.  In the mean time, all the young people who buy into socialism and left wing nonsense will grow up, start paying their share of taxes and realize that someone has to pay for their existence.   

 

Are you kidding me?  How about MTG, Broebert, Gaetz and don't forget your favorite...Kitara Ravache otherwise known as George Santos!  Not to mention the closet homosexuals who target the LGTBQ community.  There are still a lot of nutjobs fulfilling their duties for the right!  Cheers!

 

[Parsad]

11 hours ago, cwericb said:

 

Anyone who refers to John McCain as "weak" needs to brush up on their history! That is probably one of the dumbest, insulting statements ever made. John McCain had more balls than half of all Trump supporters put together. Please educate yourself before making such statements. For your education ....................

 

"McCain was taken prisoner of war on October 26, 1967. He was flying his 23rd bombing mission over North Vietnam when his A-4E Skyhawk was shot down by a missile over Hanoi.^[39][40] McCain fractured both arms and a leg when he ejected from the aircraft,^[41] and nearly drowned after he parachuted into Trúc Bạch Lake. Some North Vietnamese pulled him ashore, then others crushed his shoulder with a rifle butt and bayoneted him.^[39] McCain was then transported to Hanoi's main Hỏa Lò Prison, nicknamed the "Hanoi Hilton".^[40]

 

Although McCain was seriously wounded and injured, his captors refused to treat him. They beat and interrogated him and he was given medical care only when the North Vietnamese discovered that his father was an admiral.^[42] His status as a prisoner of war (POW) made the front pages of major American newspapers.^[43][44]

 

McCain spent six weeks in the hospital, where he received marginal care. He had lost 50 pounds (23 kg), he was in a chest cast, and his gray hair had turned white.^[39] McCain was sent to a different camp on the outskirts of Hanoi.^[45] In December 1967, McCain was placed in a cell with two other Americans, who did not expect him to live more than a week.^[46] In March 1968, McCain was placed in solitary confinement, where he remained for two years.^[47]

 

In mid-1968, his father John S. McCain Jr. was named commander of all U.S. forces in the Vietnam theater, and the North Vietnamese offered McCain early release^[48] because they wanted to appear merciful for propaganda purposes,^[49] and also to show other POWs that elite prisoners were willing to be treated preferentially.^[48] McCain refused repatriation unless every man taken in before him was also released. Such early release was prohibited by the POWs' interpretation of the military Code of Conduct, which states in Article III: "I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy."^[50] To prevent the enemy from using prisoners for propaganda, officers were to agree to be released in the order in which they were captured.^[39]

 

Beginning in August 1968, McCain was subjected to severe torture.^[51] He was bound and beaten every two hours, and he was suffering from heat exhaustion and dysentery.^[39][51] Further injuries brought McCain to "the point of suicide", but his preparations were interrupted by guards. Eventually, McCain made an anti-U.S. propaganda "confession".^[39] He had always felt that his statement was dishonorable, but as he later wrote: "I had learned what we all learned over there: every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine."^[52][53] Many U.S. POWs were tortured and maltreated to extract "confessions" and propaganda statements;^[54] virtually all eventually yielded something.^[55] McCain received two to three beatings weekly because of his continued refusal to sign additional statements.^[56]

 

McCain refused to meet various anti-war groups seeking peace in Hanoi, wanting to give neither them nor the North Vietnamese a propaganda victory.^[57] From late 1969, treatment of McCain and many of the other POWs became more tolerable,^[58] while McCain continued to resist the camp authorities.^[59] McCain and other prisoners cheered the U.S. "Christmas Bombing" campaign of December 1972, viewing it as a forceful measure to push North Vietnam to terms.^[53][60]

McCain was a prisoner of war in North Vietnam for five and a half years, until his release on March 14, 1973, along with 108 other prisoners of war.^[61] His wartime injuries left him permanently incapable of raising his arms above his head.

 

You call these American heroes Weak?? If the above information on John McCain isn't the antithesis of the word "weak" I don't know what is. 

 

This is the kind of CRAP that little Donald John Trump circulates and his cult followers recite it verbatim without question. One might also note that Mitt Romney was in charge of a Swift Boat patrolling the Viet Cong infested rivers in Vietnam during the war.

 

MEANWHILE.....

 

Donald John Trump was sitting out the war with his "bone spurs" playing with Daddy's money and calling the likes of John McCain and Mitt Romney suckers and losers. Disgusting.

 

And you know, what the most embarrassing part of this little rant of mine is ...............  

 

It takes someone like me, a Canadian, (you know that country Draft Dodger Trump wants to take over), It takes a Canadian to correct Americans on their Facts about their own heroes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bravo!  One of the best posts I've ever read on COBF.  Unfortunately it's political in this climate, but still a superb post.  Cheers!

[Parsad]

6 hours ago, Gregmal said:

I mean if there’s a short term way to largely solve the Iran problem, what’s the issue? Especially if it is largely another country doing the heavy lifting? 
 

Im the last person in the world who’s in favor of wars or violence, but this seems like a low risk, high reward setup. And like usual, you guys are pissing on it and undermining? Go live in Iran in you want lol 

 

Well this was just his way of bypassing Congress, not looking like he was going back on his word, and gives him every opportunity to be the big player in the Middle East going forward where Trump has a ton of investments brewing.  All without implicitly going to war.  Cheers!

[Gregmal]

15 minutes ago, Parsad said:

 

Bravo!  One of the best posts I've ever read on COBF.  Unfortunately it's political in this climate, but still a superb post.  Cheers!

Nah I think the “weak” part was taken out of context/misinterpreted. I don’t know anyone who thinks John McCain the person was weak, but John McCain the presidential candidate? Was probably the weakest candidate I’ve seen in my lifetime. He had very little appeal to the masses and was a doormat for Obama. 

[Castanza]

2 hours ago, John Hjorth said:

 

 

Parts of the Iranian Nuclear Program is going on deep down under the surface of the Earth. Only USA has the military means to take these installations out, certainly not Israel by now.

 

And knowhow is very difficult to remove from the surface of the Earth by the use of bombs.

Cyber warfare, which was already done to one of their nuclear facilities in the past.  

[cubsfan]

33 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

Nah I think the “weak” part was taken out of context/misinterpreted. I don’t know anyone who thinks John McCain the person was weak, but John McCain the presidential candidate? Was probably the weakest candidate I’ve seen in my lifetime. He had very little appeal to the masses and was a doormat for Obama. 

 

Oh, yeah, you can't say it enough times. Both Romney and McCain were very good politicians, but the refused to fight with the same despicable tactics that the Democrats rolled out - accusing their opponents for being racists. So when Trump entered the picture as the perfect fighter - he beat the democrats at their own game  with the identical tactics. He steam rolled through the Republican primary and fought Hillary & Kamala using their playbook.

 

Trump has been and always will be a fighter.  Americans love a fighter and not a weak kneed Presidential candidate.

 

He beat them at their own game. He's brilliant.

 

Even those Republicans he destroyed, many of them ended up joining him in his administration as allies: Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Ben Carson, etc - since he doesn't hold grudges.

 

The weak guys like Romney, Paul Ryan, and McCain couldn't take it and quit.

 

Their motto: "I'd rather lose nobility, than do what it takes to win"

Edited June 18, 2025 by cubsfan

[cubsfan]

The best thing about Trump - the democratic party is being destroyed and has no coherent strategy anymore. 

 

It's just a party of losers.

[LC]

21 hours ago, LC said:

https://substack.com/inbox/post/165658733

 

Now it's the Dems saying the election was rigged. The nov 5 reasoning behind Trump's win was "Democrats didn't show up" - now they're saying it's because their votes weren't counted.

 

MSN picking it up:

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/kamala-harris-won-the-us-elections-bombshell-report-claims-voting-machines-were-tampered-with-before-2024/ar-AA1GnteW

[Gregmal]

5 minutes ago, LC said:

 

MSN picking it up:

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/kamala-harris-won-the-us-elections-bombshell-report-claims-voting-machines-were-tampered-with-before-2024/ar-AA1GnteW

Nice. Remember this stuff was a far right conspiracy when “they” won.

[JRM]

44 minutes ago, LC said:

 

MSN picking it up:

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/kamala-harris-won-the-us-elections-bombshell-report-claims-voting-machines-were-tampered-with-before-2024/ar-AA1GnteW

Just trying to wallpaper over this story:

 

[Spekulatius]

4 hours ago, John Hjorth said:

 

 

Parts of the Iranian Nuclear Program is going on deep down under the surface of the Earth. Only USA has the military means to take these installations out, certainly not Israel by now.

 

And knowhow is very difficult to remove from the surface of the Earth by the use of bombs.

While it’s true thats they probably cannot destroy these underground installations with conventional means, the entries can be repeatedly bombed and then those underground facilities  become a tomb.

[cwericb]

2 hours ago, Gregmal said:

Nah I think the “weak” part was taken out of context/misinterpreted. I don’t know anyone who thinks John McCain the person was weak, but John McCain the presidential candidate? Was probably the weakest candidate I’ve seen in my lifetime. He had very little appeal to the masses and was a doormat for Obama. 

 

No. I neither misinterpreted, nor did I take Cubs comment out of context. Some years ago Cubs disparaged McCain in a similar manner and I attempted to educate him back then. Cubs is just suffering from his excessive Kool-aid consumption.

 

You can criticize McCain if you wish, but the fact remains that he was the very definition of a true "American military Hero" and should be given the respect his memory deserves. If the far Right Republicans wish to continue to insult his memory simply because he was man enough to seek cooperation between Democrats and Republicans, and stood up for his convictions, than shame on them.

 

When the President of the United States - a draft dodger himself no less, has found it necessary to publicly disparage a man like McCain and his military service, on numerous occasions, and after his death, it tells you all you need to know about the character (and lack thereof) of the present President of the United States.

 

Trump has no sense of "class or "Honour".  Want an example of class? Check this out:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIjenjANqAk

 

The term "weak" never deserves to be used in the same sentence as the name "John McCain". 

 

 

 

  

Edited June 18, 2025 by cwericb

[Red Lion]

50 minutes ago, Spekulatius said:

While it’s true thats they probably cannot destroy these underground installations with conventional means, the entries can be repeatedly bombed and then those underground facilities  become a tomb.

 

I read somewhere that Israel thinks they could do it by a succession of smaller bunker bombs, basically trenching as they bomb in layman's terms. 

[SharperDingaan]

The reality is that Trump is an old man, politicians age like dogs, and time is not on his side. As the senior moments mount, at some point he will be worth more dead than alive, and the next assassin will be a better shot.

 

SD

 

 

[Gregmal]

23 minutes ago, cwericb said:

You can criticize McCain if you wish, but the fact remains that he was the very definition of a true "American military Hero"

Agree 100%, but in politics, sadly, none of this shit matters. Neither McCain or Romney were racists but they lost elections because they were branded and such. And made to look weak. Romney was the most qualified guy to run in my lifetime and didn't really get close. McCain was an American hero, and simply branding him the way they did was his end. Trump is a wild boar, for better or worse, and that's what it took to win. As others have said, Americans have gotten the politicians they deserve, which is not equally synonymous with "the best" leaders. 

[cwericb]

2 minutes ago, SharperDingaan said:

The reality is that Trump is an old man, politicians age like dogs, and time is not on his side. As the senior moments mount, at some point he will be worth more dead than alive, and the next assassin will be a better shot.

 

SD

 

 

 

Well, old is one thing, stupid is worse. Can't help remember the time Trump was bragging to people that the F-35 was invisible - "it could be right next to you and you can't see it."

Jeez, was the pilot invisible as well? Must be a bitch to work on.  

[ourkid8]

10 hours ago, cubsfan said:

Giving Iran EVERY opportunity to de-nuke and talk. 

But they are hell bent on self-destruction.

Iran doesn't want a nuclear weapon, this is all zionists propaganda and lies from a criminal charged with war crimes. The world will truly be safer without this mentally sick individual. 
 

Jon Stewart having fun with Zionist propaganda. No one should trusts these clowns  
 

 

Edited June 18, 2025 by ourkid8

[cwericb]

6 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

Agree 100%, but in politics, sadly, none of this shit matters. Neither McCain or Romney were racists but they lost elections because they were branded and such. And made to look weak. Romney was the most qualified guy to run in my lifetime and didn't really get close. McCain was an American hero, and simply branding him the way they did was his end. Trump is a wild boar, for better or worse, and that's what it took to win. As others have said, Americans have gotten the politicians they deserve, which is not equally synonymous with "the best" leaders. 

 

Yeah, I completely agree with you.

 

Poor political leadership, unsustainable fiscal policies, a world dividing along religious lines, seemingly declining mental levels in the general population, lack of work ethic, rising water levels, escalating weather events, etc, etc. Perhaps I worry too much, but it tends to give one concern for the world our children and grandchildren are going to have to contend with. Then again, perhaps I just worry too much.

[Parsad]

Can we just have the MAGA guys argue with each other...makes for incredibly entertaining television! 

 

Tucker Carlson and Ted Cruz go at it over Iran.  Cheers!

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/incredulous-tucker-carlson-shouting-match-024612212.html

[Blake Hampton]

1 minute ago, Parsad said:

Can we just have the MAGA guys argue with each other...makes for incredibly entertaining television! 

 

Tucker Carlson and Ted Cruz go at it over Iran.  Cheers!

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/incredulous-tucker-carlson-shouting-match-024612212.html

 

Am I not the only one up at 1:30 am?