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[Parsad]

2 minutes ago, Blake Hampton said:

 

Am I not the only one up at 1:30 am?

 

I'm sure some of our European and Asian friends are up...probably the Aussies and Kiwis as well!  

 

I'm a late sleeper.  I probably won't go to bed until 2am.  

 

Cheers!

[73 Reds]

11 hours ago, Parsad said:

 

Are you kidding me?  How about MTG, Broebert, Gaetz and don't forget your favorite...Kitara Ravache otherwise known as George Santos!  Not to mention the closet homosexuals who target the LGTBQ community.  There are still a lot of nutjobs fulfilling their duties for the right!  Cheers!

 

Sanjeev, you named them all and these people don't hate the U.S.  Thanks for making my point.

[Spekulatius]

Another day another embarrassment:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-06-18/modi-pushes-back-against-trump-s-claim-on-pakistan-ceasefire
 

Trump talking about a trade deal that nobody has heard of. Art of a deal, I guess. 

Edited June 18, 2025 by Spekulatius

[changegonnacome]

9 hours ago, ourkid8 said:

Iran doesn't want a nuclear weapon, this is all zionists propaganda and lies from a criminal charged with war crimes. The world will truly be safer without this mentally sick individual. 
 

 

That simply isn't true - there is no reason to enrich uranium to 60%.....the move from 60% to fissile material is trivial....and from there it is indeed rocket science..... which Iranians are very good at. There is no doubt that Iran was/is inching its way to a nuclear capability the question was whether this run at it was 'for real' this time or simply progress they we're willing to give up for sanctions relief under a new JCPOA.

 

The more interesting philosophical question you should be asking is one around sovereignty and hypocrisy...can't Iran do what it pleases as a sovereign nation? the nature of an atomic bombs is fundamentally a deterrence security strategy...ever hear of MAD....if Iran got a bomb I can assure you it would be for defense, anything else would be MAD...and didn't Israel some 40yrs ago in secret and against the wishes of the United States, its immediate neighbours & international community (much like Iran today) develop their own atomic bomb (which they've never publicly admitted to this day).

 

Put me in charge of a small country in a bad neighbourhood and I'd spend 2% of GDP religiously on a nuclear program (civil & military) until I had a bomb. Nuclear weapons are the ultimate deterrent. If I developed one I'd never give them up, for anything or anyone. If my neighbour/regional rival was developing one I would do everything in my power to stop them including exaggerating their progress, inflating their threat and if I had the option available to me I would absolutely influence and persuade to the best of my abilities the President of the United States to come in on my behalf to finish of my rivals nuclear program on behalf (negative global consequences be damned).

Edited June 18, 2025 by changegonnacome

[John Hjorth]

30 minutes ago, Spekulatius said:

Another day another embarrassment:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-06-18/modi-pushes-back-against-trump-s-claim-on-pakistan-ceasefire
 

Trump talking about a trade deal that nobody has heard of. Art of a deal, I guess. 

 

lol. Actually, I'm still laughing over Erics [ @cwericbs ] reminder to us all of POTUS' talk about the stealthyness of the F-35  - awesome entertainment 

[changegonnacome]

8 hours ago, Spekulatius said:

Another day another embarrassment:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-06-18/modi-pushes-back-against-trump-s-claim-on-pakistan-ceasefire
 

Trump talking about a trade deal that nobody has heard of. Art of a deal, I guess. 

 

Since the Liberation Day debacle and various climb downs since (which we're quite simply an embarrassment and Trump knows it)......Trump strikes me as a guy desperately seeking some validation of a policy belief he's held for 40yrs that once it made contact with reality effectively crumbled before his eyes.......its quite some pill to swallow for an 80yr old narcissist such as Trump who has literally for decades been lecturing others on his theory of trade and tariffs to see them fall flat on their face.

 

The Modi-India-Pakistan nonsense that trade/tariffs/Trump stopped a nuclear war is a guy desperately trying to revalidate a thesis that broke.

 

I guess a younger dog would learn new tricks...but this old dog isn't learning any new tricks....he's just going to make stuff up and pretend he was right all along.

 

Its most definitely in the category of consistency and commitment bias as per Cialdini's 'Influence'. Once we make a commitment (especially publicly as Trump has basically forever), there is powerful pressure to behave consistent with that commitment. Trump has publicly and consistently advocated for tariffs for decades as the solution to almost everything. To admit they were ineffective or even detrimental would be a massive inconsistency with his long-held, oft publicly stated position. People but especially narcissists like Trump will go to great lengths to avoid this inconsistency & cognitive dissonance..........rationalizing or distorting reality to protect their fragile ego....exactly as Trump has done here with India-Pakistan and the other 'non-trade deals' he is touting as 'trade deals' when they are really MOU's with some tariff/import embargo reliefs not even close to a trade deal for anyone who actually understands what a trade deal looks like and how detailed it is..

 

That so many go along with his narcissistic ego protection reality distortion is the true derangement at work here. 

 

 

Edited June 18, 2025 by changegonnacome

[John Hjorth]

16 hours ago, John Hjorth said:

Parts of the Iranian Nuclear Program is going on deep down under the surface of the Earth. Only USA has the military means to take these installations out, certainly not Israel by now.

 

And knowhow is very difficult to remove from the surface of the Earth by the use of bombs.

 

archive.today : Financial Times - Middle East war [June 18^th 2025] : Can an American bunker-buster destroy Iran’s nuclear mountain?

 

Subtitle : Israel hopes the US would deploy the GBU-57 E/B Massive Ordnance Penetrator, but success would not be guaranteed.

[Spekulatius]

10 hours ago, ourkid8 said:

Iran doesn't want a nuclear weapon, this is all zionists propaganda and lies from a criminal charged with war crimes. The world will truly be safer without this mentally sick individual. 
 

Jon Stewart having fun with Zionist propaganda. No one should trusts these clowns  
 

 

Gheez, nobody needs 60-80% enriched Uranium unless they want to produce a weapon. This is not hard to Google  either. @changegonnacome said it already.

 

You made some valid point before, but this claim is totally off.

[Spekulatius]

42 minutes ago, changegonnacome said:

 

Since the Liberation Day debacle and various climb downs since (which we're quite simply an embarrassment and Trump knows it)......Trump strikes me as a guy desperately seeking some validation of a policy belief he's held for 40yrs that once it made contact with reality effectively crumbled before his eyes.......its quite some pill to swallow for an 80yr old narcissist such as Trump who has literally for decades been lecturing others on his theory of trade and tariffs to see them fall flat on their face.

 

The Modi-India-Pakistan nonsense that trade/tariffs/Trump stopped a nuclear war is a guy desperately trying to revalidate a thesis that broke. I guess a younger dog would learn new tricks...but this old dog isn't learning any new tricks....he's just going to make stuff up and pretend he was right all along.

 

Its most definitely in the category of consistency and commitment bias as per Cialdini's 'Influence'. Once we make a commitment (especially publicly as Trump has basically forever), there is powerful pressure to behave consistent with that commitment. Trump has publicly and consistently advocated for tariffs for decades as solution to almost everything. To admit they were ineffective or even detrimental would be a massive inconsistency with his long-held, oft publicly stated position. People but especially narcissists like Trump will go to great lengths to avoid this inconsistency & cognitive dissonance even rationalizing or distorting reality....as Trump has done here with India-Pakistan and the other non-trade deals he is touting as trade deals. That so many go along with his narcissistic ego protection reality distortion is the true derangement at work here. 

 

 

He can’t help it. He think he is some sort of diplomatic Messiah who thinks he achieve whatever he wants just by showing up. That includes issues he has no business in, like the above.

 

I guess he just needs this to stroke his ego.

[cubsfan]

1 minute ago, Spekulatius said:

He can’t help it. He think he is some sort of diplomatic Messiah who thinks he achieve whatever he wants just by showing up. That includes issues he has no business in, like the above.

 

I guess he just needs this to stroke his ego.

 

We're definitely lucky to have Trump given the clusterfuck Biden made with Iran.

Imagine, giving the world's leading sponsor of terrorism billions of dollars to build their nuclear arsenal and fund terror proxies throughout the Middle East.

 

What's interesting is how this diplomatic Messiah has outsmarted Obama, Hillary, the never-Trumpers and the Democratic Party - and turned them all into a joke with tattered legacies.

 

Quite an accomplishment.

 

 

[73 Reds]

2 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

We're definitely lucky to have Trump given the clusterfuck Biden made with Iran.

Imagine, giving the world's leading sponsor of terrorism billions of dollars to build their nuclear arsenal and fund terror proxies throughout the Middle East.

 

What's interesting is how this diplomatic Messiah has outsmarted Obama, Hillary, the never-Trumpers and the Democratic Party - and turned them all into a joke with tattered legacies.

 

Quite an accomplishment.

 

 

The cluster-fuck began with Obama and the original nuclear deal with Iran.  Ironically we've given them more than anyone else on the planet and there is still a large contingent in this country who are too blind to notice.  Does Iran have a single friend left in the World other than the morons here in this country who believe their nuclear ambitions should not be permanently destroyed?  If there is an issue that is more black and white than this one, please point it out.

[cubsfan]

^^^ Great point about Obama. 

 

Right before dip-shit Obama left office, he sent $1.7B in cash to the terrorist regime.

 

That pays for for a lot of terrorism.  Must have been angling for another Nobel Prize.

[Blake Hampton]

[cubsfan]

@Blake Hampton Was that after he funded Iran's nuke program?

 

He sure isn't smiling now.

[changegonnacome]

1 hour ago, Spekulatius said:

I guess he just needs this to stroke his ego.

 

100% I think a professional and even amateur psychologist can see through all the braggadocio & puffery for what it is.......a 79yr old man with astoundingly low self-esteem......when Trump looks in the mirror in the morning he's see, in his mind eye for a microsecond, a loser and a bum.....the rest of his day....in actions, in words & with the people and gold things he surrounds himself with and the lies he makes up is a desperate attempt to prove to others and himself that he isn't.

 

 

Edited June 18, 2025 by changegonnacome

[John Hjorth]

1 hour ago, John Hjorth said:

archive.today : Financial Times - Middle East war [June 18^th 2025] : Can an American bunker-buster destroy Iran’s nuclear mountain?

 

Subtitle : Israel hopes the US would deploy the GBU-57 E/B Massive Ordnance Penetrator, but success would not be guaranteed.

 

Cont'd :

 

Wikipedia : GBU-57A/B MOP

 

YouTube : Ultimate Military Channel [May 17^th 2019] : B-2 Spirit Drops A GBU-57A/B MASSIVE ORDNANCE PENETRATOR! (Demonstration/Training Event, May 2019)

 

 

 

- - - o 0 o - - -

 

Imagine getting paid for creating and producing such monstrous thingies, not just to call them deadly M/Fs. Thinking about it makes me feel very productive.

Edited June 18, 2025 by John Hjorth

[Blake Hampton]

WSJ: Senate Passes Stablecoin Bill in Big Win for Crypto Industry

 

 

[Blake Hampton]

While our country is minting $2.5 trillion deficits, these morons are worried about regulating stablecoins.

 

I swear to god our country is asking for it.

[73 Reds]

34 minutes ago, Blake Hampton said:

While our country is minting $2.5 trillion deficits, these morons are worried about regulating stablecoins.

 

I swear to god our country is asking for it.

@Blake have to admit I agree with you but if (when?) crypto eventually goes south all it will cause is financial ruin for a relative few.

[gfp]

I came here for Blake's hot take on the social security trust fund running out of money in less than a decade!  Where is my hot take??

 

 

[Gregmal]

6 minutes ago, gfp said:

I came here for Blake's hot take on the social security trust fund running out of money in less than a decade!  Where is my hot take??

 

 

Pieces like the one you are referring to are prime examples of why media outlets are enemies of the people. All it takes is finding some quasi legit sounding “source” to quote or parsing what you really want to say with things like “may” or “we believe” to hedge out the accusations of outright lying, and otherwise, they can say whatever they want and peddle an agenda with no repercussions or regard for its factual merit. 

[Blake Hampton]

10 minutes ago, gfp said:

I came here for Blake's hot take on the social security trust fund running out of money in less than a decade!  Where is my hot take??

 

Please explain how deficits pre-fund the cash that buys treasury securities.

 

Edited June 18, 2025 by Blake Hampton

[John Hjorth]

2 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

Pieces like the one you are referring to are prime examples of why media outlets are enemies of the people. All it takes is finding some quasi legit sounding “source” to quote or parsing what you really want to say with things like “may” or “we believe” to hedge out the accusations of outright lying, and otherwise, they can say whatever they want and peddle an agenda with no repercussions or regard for its factual merit. 

 

Greg [ @Gregmal ],

 

There is no doubt we all have to be very careful with our sources while posting here on CofB&F. So much *BS* information laying around here, there and everywhere.

[Gregmal]

1 minute ago, John Hjorth said:

 

Greg [ @Gregmal ],

 

There is no doubt we all have to be very careful with our sources while posting here on CofB&F. So much *BS* information laying around here, there and everywhere.

People should be free to vet their own info and make conclusions themselves. I’m just largely pointing out, how with the “journalistic standards” so many use, you can literally say anything you want to and present it as what passes as fact for most people. Formula is simple…find an “expert” or “source” whom will confirm what you want to believe, quote speculation that’s inspired by an agenda, and then use the hedge words. 

[gfp]

I'm here in Indianapolis dealing with a shocking turn of events!  The NBA has run low on points to put up on the scoreboard for tomorrow's Pacers-OKC game and they are feverishly holding an auction to borrow points from the public so they have points to mark up the score on the scoreboard tomorrow night!

 

Stay tuned for the bid to cover ratio so see if we are in a crisis and if the NBA will run out of points before tomorrow's game.

 

It's a touch and go situation in Indy.  gfp reporting.  out.