sleepydragon Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 10 minutes ago, Munger_Disciple said: It could just be another New Yorker thinking of moving to Florida. I am sure Ajit can run the insurance group from Miami just as well. Ajit owns a very nice apartment in New York city as well and he lives in Rye, NY. https://www.businessinsider.com/berkshire-hathaway-ajit-jain-one-beacon-court-14-million-new-apartment-2011-2 I thought he lives in Stamford CT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepydragon Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Maybe AJ is retiring, he’s moving his residence to Florida to save tax? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munger_Disciple Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, sleepydragon said: I thought he lives in Stamford CT? No he works there and lives in Rye NY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjm Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 he must be quite concerned with sea levels rising Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfp Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Ajit is very wealthy and has had a different condo in Florida near the one he bought last year for a while before this. He has multiple places, it's not a retirement announcement. I do question his taste, but I haven't seen the Rye NY pad so maybe that one is nice looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munger_Disciple Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, gfp said: Ajit is very wealthy and has had a different condo in Florida near the one he bought last year for a while before this. He has multiple places, it's not a retirement announcement. I do question his taste, but I haven't seen the Rye NY pad so maybe that one is nice looking. I agree; there is zero chance Ajit is retiring. He is just like Warren & loves his job. BTW his place in Rye seems to be pretty nice: https://www.google.com/maps/place/14+Island+Dr,+Rye,+NY+10580/@40.9770033,-73.6595857,332m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x89c290a8daefd371:0x6f29816caba0e1cd!8m2!3d40.9766035!4d-73.6586337 Edited January 20, 2023 by Munger_Disciple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Munger_Disciple said: I agree; there is zero chance Ajit is retiring. He is just like Warren & loves his job. BTW his place in Rye seems to be pretty nice: https://www.google.com/maps/place/14+Island+Dr,+Rye,+NY+10580/@40.9770033,-73.6595857,332m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x89c290a8daefd371:0x6f29816caba0e1cd!8m2!3d40.9766035!4d-73.6586337 I spent my childhood summers losing various belongings at playland just south of there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longterminvestor Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 Fisher Island. 5th most wealthy zip code in the US. Property Search Application - Miami-Dade County.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ValueMaven Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 Who cares about any of this stuff where Jain lives?? More interesting is the recent acquisition by Marmon, but only 2 people commented about this. Buffett has said that Jain has created 'more than $50B of value at Berkshire' ... leave the gut alone and let him be!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfp Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 (edited) I think people care if they think it indicates a move towards retirement and an exit from Berkshire. I don't think it does but without context buying a pad in Florida at his age could look like a step toward retirement. Speaking of acquisitions at Marmon, they also continue to buy in the minority interest in Colson Medical from the Pritzker family. Colson Medical was spun out / carved out of Marmon just before Berkshire started acquiring Marmon. In 2019, Marmon acquired 60% of Colson and is buying the remaining 40% over 5 years. A lot of people don't know that Berkshire has a specialty medical device business. Plenty of bolt-on acquisition opportunities there I would imagine. https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20191101005396/en/Marmon-Acquires-Majority-Interest-in-Colson-Medical-Companies https://www.colsonmedical.com Quote Marmon chairman and CEO Angelo Pantaleo said: “We are excited to welcome the Colson Medical Companies back home to Marmon. Their innovative, proprietary products and processes and outstanding reputation make them an ideal fit for Marmon and provide our organisation with another strong growth platform.” Colson Medical develops, manufactures and distributes speciality medical devices worldwide. Its portfolio consists of engineered plates and screws, along with related precision tools used in orthopaedic surgery. The products are available through Acumed, MicroAire, Precision Edge, Apex, OsteoMed and Skeletal Kinetics businesses. Marmon acquired all these businesses, except Apex and Skeletal Kinetics, between 1979 and 1999. Together, the companies have more than 1,300 employees across the US, UK, Spain, China and Germany. Berkshire Hathaway chairman and CEO Warren Buffett said: “The speciality medical device market is an attractive growth opportunity and the Colson businesses are highly regarded. Berkshire and Marmon will provide a home where these businesses can continue to flourish.” Colson Medical Companies will operate as a sector within Marmon, led by Colson’s current president Chris Smith. This is a short bio of the CEO of Marmon, Angelo Pantaleo. He was asked to lead the integration of Duracell into Berkshire and was CEO of Duracell for a while after the acquisition. Later he returned to Marmon as President and COO. https://www.marmon.com/about-us/the-marmon-team/angelo-v-pantaleo/ Edited January 21, 2023 by gfp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubsfan Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 Damn GFP - your knowledge of Berkshire is really helpful here. I had NO idea Berkshire was involved in medical devices. Not the type of business that Buffett seems to like - but indicative of Buffett letting the CEO's run their own show. Had no idea Duracell was run by Marmon. This type of free rein by Buffett is exactly why we can see more growth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieV Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 Anybody want to argue that BRK is a buy here? I don't think it is. I like BRK. It offers about the steadiest equities return I know of. But, as with most stocks, you need to be careful about purchase price. Call it overly simplistic if you like, but I like to buy at 1.3x book or less. At that price, I think you've got a very good chance of getting at least the growth in book value as your return + some potential multiple expansion. Investors have been given the chance to buy at 1.3 book or less pretty regularly. As of right now, BRK has outperformed the S&P 500 by almost 30% over the last two years and is trading a 1.5x. I'm holding onto the position I have, but don't think this is an attractive time to buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooDiligence Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 Marmon runs a pretty wide range of businesses that could get unwieldy with a single management team calling the shots. Reading through the website indicates that they run a decentralized management system with autonomous teams for the various business segments. Kind of like a Berkshire within a Berkshire. True or false? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Hjorth Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, DooDiligence said: ... Kind of like a Berkshire within a Berkshire. True or false? Jeff @DooDiligence, To me, true. And it is - as Mike @cubsfan states above - the reason we can - to some degree - assume real compounding for Berkshire going forward long term - compunding here meant as the opposite of linear thinking about returns -, despite Berkshire's size. Edited January 21, 2023 by John Hjorth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spekulatius Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 4 hours ago, gfp said: I think people care if they think it indicates a move towards retirement and an exit from Berkshire. I don't think it does but without context buying a pad in Florida at his age could look like a step toward retirement. Speaking of acquisitions at Marmon, they also continue to buy in the minority interest in Colson Medical from the Pritzker family. Colson Medical was spun out / carved out of Marmon just before Berkshire started acquiring Marmon. In 2019, Marmon acquired 60% of Colson and is buying the remaining 40% over 5 years. A lot of people don't know that Berkshire has a specialty medical device business. Plenty of bolt-on acquisition opportunities there I would imagine. https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20191101005396/en/Marmon-Acquires-Majority-Interest-in-Colson-Medical-Companies https://www.colsonmedical.com This is a short bio of the CEO of Marmon, Angelo Pantaleo. He was asked to lead the integration of Duracell into Berkshire and was CEO of Duracell for a while after the acquisition. Later he returned to Marmon as President and COO. https://www.marmon.com/about-us/the-marmon-team/angelo-v-pantaleo/ Marmon is a conglomerate on its own. Marmon within Berkshire is a nested doll - a conglomerate within a conglomerate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Charlie Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 12 hours ago, gfp said: I think people care if they think it indicates a move towards retirement and an exit from Berkshire. I don't think it does but without context buying a pad in Florida at his age could look like a step toward retirement. Speaking of acquisitions at Marmon, they also continue to buy in the minority interest in Colson Medical from the Pritzker family. Colson Medical was spun out / carved out of Marmon just before Berkshire started acquiring Marmon. In 2019, Marmon acquired 60% of Colson and is buying the remaining 40% over 5 years. A lot of people don't know that Berkshire has a specialty medical device business. Plenty of bolt-on acquisition opportunities there I would imagine. https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20191101005396/en/Marmon-Acquires-Majority-Interest-in-Colson-Medical-Companies https://www.colsonmedical.com This is a short bio of the CEO of Marmon, Angelo Pantaleo. He was asked to lead the integration of Duracell into Berkshire and was CEO of Duracell for a while after the acquisition. Later he returned to Marmon as President and COO. https://www.marmon.com/about-us/the-marmon-team/angelo-v-pantaleo/ My understanding is that Colson was carved out of Marmon so that Bob Pritzker would have something to do after Marmon was sold to Berkshire. Perhaps there was an implicit/explicit agreement to sell it back to Marmon later (similar to Berkshire's acquisiton of the remaining 40% of Marmon). I don't know about Angelo Pantaleo, but Marmon has had some world-class CEOs: Bob Pritzker, John Nichols, Frank Ptak. Both John and Frank trained under Sid Cathcart, one of the best industrial managers of the 20th century. Frank left Marmon for Madison Industries, another company that would be a great Berkshire holding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfp Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Interesting stuff Poor Charlie. I wasn't aware of Madison Industries but after looking into it I see it owns Therma-Stor. We buy a lot of Santa Fe dehumidifiers from them. Really nice company they have built. Would love to see them sell to BRK some day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ValueMaven Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 The idea behind Marmon, PCP, and Alleghany - is that all three could do a lot of bolt on deals ... in different industries ... which are immaterial to Berkshire HQ - but overtime could be sizable to the organization. The results are still out on this - but frankly, as mini-serial acquires these have been so-so. Marmon was a solid double, PCP is mixed so far ... and Alleghany is really interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieV Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 8 hours ago, ValueMaven said: PCP is mixed so far I think you have to call PCP bad rather than just mixed at this point. Buffett called it a mistake at the price paid. There was certainly some bad luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munger_Disciple Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 35 minutes ago, StevieV said: I think you have to call PCP bad rather than just mixed at this point. Buffett called it a mistake at the price paid. There was certainly some bad luck. +1 Lubrizol wasn't great either. In retrospect, it would have been far better to have stepped on the buyback pedal a lot sooner than Buffett eventually did. But I think Allegheny will work out just fine as it is run by Joe Brandon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intelligent_Investor Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 On 1/21/2023 at 1:36 PM, StevieV said: Anybody want to argue that BRK is a buy here? I don't think it is. I like BRK. It offers about the steadiest equities return I know of. But, as with most stocks, you need to be careful about purchase price. Call it overly simplistic if you like, but I like to buy at 1.3x book or less. At that price, I think you've got a very good chance of getting at least the growth in book value as your return + some potential multiple expansion. Investors have been given the chance to buy at 1.3 book or less pretty regularly. As of right now, BRK has outperformed the S&P 500 by almost 30% over the last two years and is trading a 1.5x. I'm holding onto the position I have, but don't think this is an attractive time to buy. I just use BV+Float to determine when to buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spekulatius Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 On 11/6/2022 at 4:23 AM, Bluffy said: They already reduced USB last quarter. My bet would be not to overthink it. They might have sold out completely. Would make sense in comparison to the relatively "weak" share price performance in the last quarter versus the other big bank stocks. Looks like BRK sold USB close to the bottom. Another incidence where cloning does not seem to be a good idea. Results look pretty good and union bank will be a nice acquisition. Now USB needs to get their capital levels back up again before resuming buybacks. https://ir.usbank.com/static-files/8cd68595-d3df-4682-a972-4c6d0cdc3624 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dealraker Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 22 hours ago, Spekulatius said: Looks like BRK sold USB close to the bottom. Another incidence where cloning does not seem to be a good idea. Results look pretty good and union bank will be a nice acquisition. Now USB needs to get their capital levels back up again before resuming buybacks. https://ir.usbank.com/static-files/8cd68595-d3df-4682-a972-4c6d0cdc3624 I'm not sure I know what I'm talking about here but corporate decisions such as this may be based on things not necessarily relevant to what most of us do as individuals. Although my family has gone subchapter S in one business with plans to do that in two others at some point...well, we just made some investment decisions that I don't think any of us even consider personally. I basically never clone Berkshire but I do follow basic trends that the investment trio seems to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 (edited) I wonder how Buffett feels about Chevron’s $75 billion buyback announcement? BRK probably bought more shares. Regardless, BRK shareholders will see their ownership in Chevron increase materially in the coming years. Buffett will be going to sleep tonight with a big smile on his face. Edited January 27, 2023 by Viking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepydragon Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 what's wrong with brk a/b stock price? it's not moving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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