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Posted
11 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

While the NYT is biased in its opinions it is still the gold standard on factual news.  The issue isnt even close to being the MSM, its social media where extremism flourishes.  I dont think anyone's been radicalized to murder by the NY Times or Eall Stree Journal.  But spend 15 minutes on Twitter or Instagram or TikTok and the absolute worst of society is rampant. Thats where the problem lies.

 

Actually, in the U.S., I think the WSJ does the best job.  In Canada, the Globe & Mail is still heads and tails above anyone else.  NYT investigations are top-notch, but they are quite partisan when it comes to politics.  Cheers!

Posted
12 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

That makes sense. This was seemingly a pretty normally raised kid in terms of the boxes being checked. Clearly got brainwashed, spent to much time in his echos chambers, didnt get laid, got bitter about being a loser, fed his rage...ruined his life. Kids gotta get out and see/enjoy the world, and stay off the devices.

 

There were no devices when Mark David Chapman killed John Lennon.  Same with John Hinckley Jr...who shot Ronald Reagan and James Brady because he was infatuated with Jodie Foster.  Sometimes crazy is just crazy with no real agenda...they are just nuts and see what they want to see. 

 

Kind of like my last girlfriend who caught me in bed with her sister!  🤣  I thought I would lighten up the mood!  Cheers!

Posted
18 minutes ago, Eldad said:

Trump is the worst. Unfortunately it’s a TINA situation. That being said, I have yet to see Trump pull a stunt like Biden’s Nurembergesque “MAGA/white supremacy is coming for you all” production. 

 

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Yeah, I agree with that.  Cheers!

Posted (edited)
16 minutes ago, Parsad said:

 

Politicians in general...but the President, Prime Minister...what they say should be factual as well.  And if it wasn't taken seriously, why would there be a big outcry on what Trump or Obama do?  Cheers!

Cuz for some reason people get emotionally invested in the personalities of random others...never understood it myself. Write the policies down on paper and I'll circle what I support and you can use that to tell what I'd vote for, even if it's a doorknob. The people are just necessary evils. Some folks are willing to play this game and get rich off it. Wether its Joe Biden whom became the owner of multiple mansions despite being a public servant his entire life, or Charlie Kirk who was 31, worth 8 figures despite having never held a real job, hung out with celebrities and the highest level politicians in the world, flew private, married Miss Arizona, and held these self aggrandizing pow wows in his spare time. This is the American system. 

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Posted
43 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

Everyone realizes that politicians are liars and promote rhetoric. The true threat to the people is an outfit like The NY Times that brandishes its once golden reputation to validate its blatant propaganda and agenda driven garbage. This kid, apparently of at least average intelligence, just fell for it hook, line and sinker and now ruined his life and destroyed at least two families. 

 

Just what a fascist would say! 😄  😄

 

In all seriousness, imagine the father turning the kid in? I don't know if I would have done that...regardless of the morality of the deed, that kid's life is over. With how political everything is, he is essentially guilty until proven innocent.

 

7 minutes ago, Parsad said:

Kind of like my last girlfriend who caught me in bed with her sister!  🤣  I thought I would lighten up the mood!  Cheers!

 

Sanjeev you dirty dog... 😄

Posted
4 minutes ago, LC said:

In all seriousness, imagine the father turning the kid in? I don't know if I would have done that...regardless of the morality of the deed, that kid's life is over. With how political everything is, he is essentially guilty until proven innocent.

 

Yup... the folks I genuinely feel bad for in this instance are Kirk's wife and kids and the shooter's family. How awful all around.

 

At some point, you'd imagine a 22 year old is gonna really feel pretty stupid throwing his whole life away because he got too wrapped up in stupid internet propaganda that many of the people promoting it dont even believe. 

Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, Parsad said:

 

I'm not talking about elimination.  I'm talking about restrictions. You need a driver's license to drive...you need a pilot's license to fly a plane...you cannot own a nuclear bomb...there are alcohol blood limits for driving...kids cannot drive (yet they own guns)...not all drugs are legalized...I mean the friggin' list goes on and on.  Why not the same restrictions on guns?  Cheers!

 

 

You cannot purchase a long gun until you're 18 and a handgun until you're 21...You cannot have a CCW until you are 21. Background check is required for all firearm purchases from licensed dealers. About half of states require private gun sales require you to sell through a licensed dealer or hold a permit to be able to purchase a gun from a private seller which requires a background check. In the cases they don't there are still laws that point to violation of federal standards if you as a private seller break any of those laws which leads to a felony (see below). Federally it is ALWAYS required to have a background check for the sale and purchase of a handgun or long gun. 

 

Federal Level

NICS (FBI 1994) requires a background check against a DB that tracks criminal, mental and civil orders

BSCA (Biden 2023) requires background check for anyone under 21 purchasing any firearm.

Various tax stamps for different types of firearms (Full Auto, Heavy Weapons, Silencers etc.)

 

State Level

26 States do not require a permit or background check to privately sell a handgun. Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Utah, Tennessee, Texas, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming. However in ALL of those States there are laws that say "If you sell to a minor, someone who failed a background check, has a criminal record, civil record, or documented mental committal or condition that federally prevents them from owning a firearm you are committing a Felony of varying degrees." 

 

POINT

Laws exist whether a permit or background check is required or not at the State level. Federally laws exist in every State. Do these laws work? and Do laws in general work? To me firearm laws (USA Specific) will do next to nothing to reduce outlier things such as mass shootings or assassinations. Drunk driving laws have done next to nothing to prevent alcoholics, drug addicts, or immature adults from driving drunk. Hence 28% of the 43k auto fatalities are results of that EVERY YEAR.  

 

Final Point

The real issue in my opinion is the lack of resources available to professionals who work with kids, teens and children to report suspected mental issues. But the biggest one is the lack prosecution for failed background checks. There is anywhere from 100k-400k failed background checks every year (this is a felony) yet every year only a fraction are prosecuted. 

 

Example: in 2017 there were 112,000 background checks failed (FBI). Of those only 12,700 were followed up with and only 12 cases were prosecuted by the US Attorneys Office. 

 

I am for universal background checks federally and at the state level. Not because I think it will do much, but because It cleans up the data and allows the conversation to move forward with a real solution; Universal Background Checks will likely not stop mass shootings or murders in the USA. As @dealraker pointed out....he used to keep rifles and shotguns in his truck at school unlocked. Every boomer in this country who grew up outside of a city remembers this. So again what has changed? Mindset and mental wellbeing. I think a lot of it started with CMHA in 1963 (sorry JFK you screwed up) which has since crippled Federal mental health resources, reduced State level care, reduced long-term care,  failed to remove at risk individuals from normal society often placing them in less advantageous situations (home) endangering others or giving them less care and also putting them in more danger (prisons). I get it though, the institutions were subpar solutions, but something better needs to be done. 

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Posted
3 hours ago, Castanza said:

 

I mean look at the current situation.....Instead of everyone hoping this guy gets captured because assassinating political pudits based on opinions is unacceptable in a free society; we have everyone on the edge of their seats waiting to throw shit like chimps when they find out which side of the political spectrum this POS supported from a motive perspective. 


+1

 

As @Parsad and some others mentioned, it feels like we had a similar level of political violence in the 60s and 70s. I wasn’t around, and I’m not a historian. What did we do to turn the corner? It seems like when I was a kid in the 80s and 90s, Americans were on the same team with different ideas about the best game plan. How do we get back to that? 

Posted
2 hours ago, Parsad said:

 

I'm not even going to begin to respond to this post...there are just so many fallacies, I have less faith in the world ever fixing things with beliefs like this!  

 

In terms of the ribbing Trump received, it was at the Correspondent's dinner...where people are roasted...and you may have forgotten that Trump spent the last year literally hunting down Obama saying he wasn't eligible to be President because he wasn't born in America.  In fact, Trump spent the next two years, pushing the "birther" movement even offering money for Obama to produce his birth certificate. 

 

It became a massive conspiracy the type Cubsfan buys into!  It was the origination of all of the bullshit that is now served to the MAGA masses on a gold platter every day, which they lap up believing it tastes great!

 

Cheers!

💯 x 💯 %
 

I gotta add though…it was pretty damn funny when Obama announced at that dinner that they had video of his birth as proof of his citizenship…and then he played the scene from Lion King when Simba is born!  That’s pretty funny. 😆 
 

 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Parsad said:

Kind of like my last girlfriend who caught me in bed with her sister!  🤣  I thought I would lighten up the mood!  Cheers!

Omg Parsad!!! You player! 🤣🤣🤣

 

I suppose that’s better than her finding  you in bed with your sister! 😅🤣😂

Posted
7 minutes ago, Red Lion said:


+1

 

As @Parsad and some others mentioned, it feels like we had a similar level of political violence in the 60s and 70s. I wasn’t around, and I’m not a historian. What did we do to turn the corner? It seems like when I was a kid in the 80s and 90s, Americans were on the same team with different ideas about the best game plan. How do we get back to that? 

60s was a cultural Revolution with a massive culture war like now. 
 

Hippies vs their very conservative WW2 winning parents. 
 

Plus civil rights added to the mix. 
 

Interesting you had 2 Kennedy brothers, MLK, Malcolm X, and the attempt on George Wallace. 
 

So the side that was to eventually win the culture war took the most casualties. 
 

Interesting that this go round it has been Steve Scalise, Trump twice, Kirk, and Melissa Hortman. 
 

There are signs that the left is losing the culture war, DEI and Trans issues have seen huge reversals in opinion polling. 

Posted
29 minutes ago, Castanza said:

 

 

You cannot purchase a long gun until you're 18 and a handgun until you're 21...You cannot have a CCW until you are 21. Background check is required for all firearm purchases from licensed dealers. About half of states require private gun sales require you to sell through a licensed dealer or hold a permit to be able to purchase a gun from a private seller which requires a background check. In the cases they don't there are still laws that point to violation of federal standards if you as a private seller break any of those laws which leads to a felony (see below). Federally it is ALWAYS required to have a background check for the sale and purchase of a handgun or long gun. 

 

Federal Level

NICS (FBI 1994) requires a background check against a DB that tracks criminal, mental and civil orders

BSCA (Biden 2023) requires background check for anyone under 21 purchasing any firearm.

Various tax stamps for different types of firearms (Full Auto, Heavy Weapons, Silencers etc.)

 

State Level

26 States do not require a permit or background check to privately sell a handgun. Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Utah, Tennessee, Texas, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming. However in ALL of those States there are laws that say "If you sell to a minor, someone who failed a background check, has a criminal record, civil record, or documented mental committal or condition that federally prevents them from owning a firearm you are committing a Felony of varying degrees." 

 

POINT

Laws exist whether a permit or background check is required or not at the State level. Federally laws exist in every State. Do these laws work? and Do laws in general work? To me firearm laws (USA Specific) will do next to nothing to reduce outlier things such as mass shootings or assassinations. Drunk driving laws have done next to nothing to prevent alcoholics, drug addicts, or immature adults from driving drunk. Hence 28% of the 43k auto fatalities are results of that EVERY YEAR.  

 

Final Point

The real issue in my opinion is the lack of resources available to professionals who work with kids, teens and children to report suspected mental issues. But the biggest one is the lack prosecution for failed background checks. There is anywhere from 100k-400k failed background checks every year (this is a felony) yet every year only a fraction are prosecuted. 

 

Example: in 2017 there were 112,000 background checks failed (FBI). Of those only 12,700 were followed up with and only 12 cases were prosecuted by the US Attorneys Office. 

 

I am for universal background checks federally and at the state level. Not because I think it will do much, but because It cleans up the data and allows the conversation to move forward with a real solution; Universal Background Checks will likely not stop mass shootings or murders in the USA. As @dealraker pointed out....he used to keep rifles and shotguns in his truck at school unlocked. Every boomer in this country who grew up outside of a city remembers this. So again what has changed? Mindset and mental wellbeing. I think a lot of it started with CMHA in 1963 (sorry JFK you screwed up) which has since crippled Federal mental health resources, reduced State level care, reduced long-term care,  failed to remove at risk individuals from normal society often placing them in less advantageous situations (home) endangering others or giving them less care and also putting them in more danger (prisons). I get it though, the institutions were subpar solutions, but something better needs to be done. 

 

There was a 13 year old arrested last week in Washington State who had an entire arsenal of weapons and ammunition...long guns and semi-automatic rifles included!  

 

https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/09/us/school-shooter-ideations-washington-state

 

The parents did not buy him the guns.  A few were created using 3-D printers.  So somewhere in your entire list of restrictions is one fucking big loophole or way for this kid to get those guns!  Cheers!

Posted
3 minutes ago, Buckeye said:

Omg Parsad!!! You player! 🤣🤣🤣

 

I suppose that’s better than her finding  you in bed with your sister! 😅🤣😂

 

You guys know I'm joking right? 

 

It was actually her mother!  🤣  Cheers!

Posted
4 minutes ago, Eldad said:

60s was a cultural Revolution with a massive culture war like now. 
 

Hippies vs their very conservative WW2 winning parents. 
 

Plus civil rights added to the mix. 
 

Interesting you had 2 Kennedy brothers, MLK, Malcolm X, and the attempt on George Wallace. 
 

So the side that was to eventually win the culture war took the most casualties. 
 

Interesting that this go round it has been Steve Scalise, Trump twice, Kirk, and Melissa Hortman. 
 

There are signs that the left is losing the culture war, DEI and Trans issues have seen huge reversals in opinion polling. 

 

It was basically the same thing.  

 

  • Conservative values versus progressive values
  • Pundits on both sides
  • Changes in how media was consumed...television took over from newspapers...today, internet-related media takes over from television
  • Still some race based divisiveness
  • Arguments about the economy, taxes, inflation
  • Regional wars creating divisiveness
  • USA becoming more nationalistic and insular
  • Problems abroad reaching North American shores
  • Structural changes in the U.S. economy...was the beginning of the shift to manufacturing moving abroad...Japan and Hong Kong back then...China, India and the rest of Asia today

 

How they got back on track and left all that behind?  I can't fucking remember! 

 

Maybe it was glasnost with Reagan and Gorbachev...maybe it was the computer revolution...maybe it was the expansion of more open, free-trading globally...but things got better and continued to get better right up until 9/11. 

 

The rhetoric started again with Dubya's administration and the Koch brothers influencing politics.  The left started to gather and found a savior in Obama.  After that, the MAGA movement started and here we are today...back in the 60's and 70's!  I feel like Marty McFly!   Cheers!

Posted
4 minutes ago, Parsad said:

 

It was basically the same thing.  

 

  • Conservative values versus progressive values
  • Pundits on both sides
  • Changes in how media was consumed...television took over from newspapers...today, internet-related media takes over from television
  • Still some race based divisiveness
  • Arguments about the economy, taxes, inflation
  • Regional wars creating divisiveness
  • USA becoming more nationalistic and insular
  • Problems abroad reaching North American shores
  • Structural changes in the U.S. economy...was the beginning of the shift to manufacturing moving abroad...Japan and Hong Kong back then...China, India and the rest of Asia today

 

How they got back on track and left all that behind?  I can't fucking remember! 

 

Maybe it was glasnost with Reagan and Gorbachev...maybe it was the computer revolution...maybe it was the expansion of more open, free-trading globally...but things got better and continued to get better right up until 9/11. 

 

The rhetoric started again with Dubya's administration and the Koch brothers influencing politics.  The left started to gather and found a savior in Obama.  After that, the MAGA movement started and here we are today...back in the 60's and 70's!  I feel like Marty McFly!   Cheers!

I’m not a huge Clinton fan but a centrist Democrat with a GOP Congress in the 90s was a very well functioning government. 
 

If we could only get a new centrist party to win even 10% of the congressional seats, I think a lot of these issues might go away. 
 

Unfortunately the Democrats and GOP have deeper moats than MSFT and MCO it seems. 

Posted

@Parsad 

 

Better than me tell you what the solution is how about the FBI and CDC tell you. Here are two studies that dispel most of the bullshit myths anti-gun people like to espouse. The reality is nobody wants to take personal accountability for the situation and instead of throwing the blame on educators, parents, guardians, and poor luck; we try to throw it on an inanimate object. 

 

https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/stats-services-publications-school-shooter-school-shooter/view

https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/127279

 

Myths the groups commonly find (FBI report, page 4):

"School violence is endemic." In fact, the kid is more likely to die in a car crash to/from school than in school violence.

"All school shooters are alike." In fact, there is no typical shooter profile.

"The school shooter is always a loner." In fact, they range from loners to popular kids.

"School shootings are exclusively revenge motivated." While revenge is a common motive, there are many others.

"Easy access to weapons is the most significant risk factor." In fact, data shows it has almost no effect. Motivated shooters will acquire weapons or even make their own.

"Unusual or aberrant behaviors, interests, or hobbies are hallmarks of violent students." In fact, this isn't correlated.

 

While none of them individually causes it, the common factors in shooters are tragically well established with lots of data.

Agencies have establish many factors are common across the decades. Having the factors won't trigger an event, however, when events happen usually many of these factors are present. Critically, only a small percentage of those who have many of the factors will engage in school violence, the vast majority of people who have the factors go on to live full, commonplace lives.

 

Common school factors:

- Inequitable discipline from school administrators and teacher. This is cliques and benefits to "in" groups (e.g. football, cheerleaders), harassment and microaggressions in schools by teachers administrators to "out" groups.

- Bullying in schools, either unaddressed by administrators or addressed by punishing people in those same "out" groups. There is typically school tolerance for disrespectful behavior, bullying by both students and teachers, with either no intervention or selective intervention.

- Inflexible culture. Both official and unofficial patterns are unyielding or insensitive to the needs of individual students, "rules for all" are harsh to outliers.

- Code of silence. Those seeing abuses feel they can't speak up, or that speaking up won't accomplish anything.

- Socioeconomic discrimination in the school, unchecked by administration

 

Family factors:

- Turbulent parent-child relationships. These can take many forms, such as job losses, family violence, parental neglect, or frequent arguments.

- Acceptance of pathological behavior. Parents tend to not react to behavior most people would find disturbing or abnormal.

- Lack of intimacy and closeness. This can be among family members to each other, or the family as a whole being insular, or a simple lack of connection like the family    moving frequently

- Student "rules the roost". Parents not setting limits on the child's conduct, or give in to their demands. Students with an atypical degree of autonomy and privacy, an atypical amount of unsupervised time with unlimited media access.

- Socioeconomic disparities between the family and the larger community. It can be either direction, poverty or wealth, ether can breed contempt.

 

Common personality traits:

- Low tolerance for frustration.

- Poor coping skills.

- Lack of resiliency.

- Failed love relationships.

- "Injustice collector".

- Narcissism / Attitude of Superiority / Exaggerated sense of entitlement

- Alienation

- Dehumanization of others / Lack of empathy

- Externalizes blame

- Masking low self esteem

- Lack of trust

- Seeks to manipulate others

- Intolerance, often seen as racial or religious intolerance.

- Closed social groups

- Rigid and opinionated. The shooter appearing rigid, judgmental, and cynical, voicing strong opinions on subjects they have little knowledge, disregarding facts, logic, and reasoning for critical thought.

- Social dynamics:

- Easy, unsupervised access to media, entertainment, and technology, frequently engaging in themes of violence.

- Peer groups who share fascination with violence or with extremist beliefs.

- Drugs and alcohol.

- Copycat effect.

- None of them are indicative, but collectively they are typical symptoms.

- The best treatments are social programs, access to mental health care, welfare to address socioeconomic problems, and outside experts auditing schools to identify the cliques, bullying, and discriminatory behavior by faculty and administration. All reports agree that people inside the school or the districts cannot adequately self-asses, as they tend to have the same biases as the community they're assessing.

Posted
10 minutes ago, Eldad said:

I’m not a huge Clinton fan but a centrist Democrat with a GOP Congress in the 90s was a very well functioning government. 
 

If we could only get a new centrist party to win even 10% of the congressional seats, I think a lot of these issues might go away. 
 

Unfortunately the Democrats and GOP have deeper moats than MSFT and MCO it seems. 

 

I agree!  I think it's working here so far with our new Prime Minister...a centrist in Liberal clothing!  Cheers!

Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Parsad said:

 

There was a 13 year old arrested last week in Washington State who had an entire arsenal of weapons and ammunition...long guns and semi-automatic rifles included!  

 

https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/09/us/school-shooter-ideations-washington-state

 

The parents did not buy him the guns.  A few were created using 3-D printers.  So somewhere in your entire list of restrictions is one fucking big loophole or way for this kid to get those guns!  Cheers!

 

- Washington State has some of the most strict gun laws in the Country. 

- Kid is "homeschooled" and not been in public school for 4 years evading any red flag detection by professional educators or school resources

- Parents not charged currently (WHY?)

- Kid is still living normal life with nothing preventing future issues so far. 

 

Perhaps, just perhaps the issue is something else? Because as far as I'm aware there is not a law that prevents this. Laws are made for people who are rational enough to not break them....these types of things are completely irrational behavior from both the kid and the parents. Perhaps you should be more concerned with the fact that the parents were "unaware" of this unlikely, but if true then there are "groomers" out there who also fantasize about school shootings and get kids involved in this shit through various chat rooms, forums and social media (look at the Charlie Kirk shooter). Maybe we should be more concerned with the fact that a 13 year old kid is thinking about shooting up his school instead of what his friends are doing after school or whether Jane Doe from his class thinks he's cute and will go to the school dance with him. 

 

There is a mental, cultural crisis amongst our children and there are better solutions than stricter gun laws as they did absolutely nothing in this case. 

 

Edit:

Two weeks ago a teen used ChatGPT to assist him in committing suicide. https://archive.ph/rdL9W . This problem is going to get worse for the younger generations as adults look for solutions tantamount to patching a bullet hole with a Band-Aid.  

 

Example text: 

“I want to leave my noose in my room so someone finds it and tries to stop me,” Adam wrote at the end of March.

“Please don’t leave the noose out,” ChatGPT responded. “Let’s make this space the first place where someone actually sees you.”

 

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Posted
2 hours ago, Eldad said:

I’m not a huge Clinton fan but a centrist Democrat with a GOP Congress in the 90s was a very well functioning government. 
 

If we could only get a new centrist party to win even 10% of the congressional seats, I think a lot of these issues might go away. 
 

Unfortunately the Democrats and GOP have deeper moats than MSFT and MCO it seems. 

Basically all the older guys in my family that I'm in business with, and their wives...this is the 71 and up bunch...we think Bill Clinton was by leaps and bounds the guy who could out-smart anyone, that he was the best thing all people could hope for in political terms.  We could care less about a blue dress or anything of the sort, or even the right  or left leanings.  We just wanted brains and street smarts.   

Posted (edited)
3 hours ago, Gregmal said:

At some point, you'd imagine a 22 year old is gonna really feel pretty stupid throwing his whole life away because he got too wrapped up in stupid internet propaganda that many of the people promoting it dont even believe. 


Probably more believe this stuff than we realise.  As someone else said, a large part of it is social media which is platforming these people and views.  Hasan Piker - I hate I know who that is - has called for violence many times now.  Another - ‘Destiny’ - has done the same.  They have large audiences.

 

About the 22 year old assassin.  There is a clip of him walking to the University.  He stops for a second, like he’s thinking, and then turns and walks back as if he decides not to go through with the shooting.  Then he slows and turns around walking again towards the campus.  It was a recorded video but my dumb ass was still willing him to just go home.  
 

Edited by Sweet
Posted
4 minutes ago, Sweet said:


Probably more believe this stuff than we realise.  As someone else said, a large part of it is social media which is platforming these people and views.  Hasan Piker - I hate I know who that is - has called for violence many times now.  Another - ‘Destiny’ - has done the same.  They have large audiences.

 

About the 22 year old assassin.  There is a clip of him walking to the University.  He stops for a second, like he’s thinking, and then turns and walks back as if he decides not to go through with the shooting.  Then he slows and turns around walking again towards the campus.  It was a recorded video but my dumb ass was still willing him to just home.  
 

Your last line almost brought a tear to my eye. That poor dumb bastard. Wish  we or someone could have talked to him. Terribly sad for him as well. 

Posted
2 minutes ago, Eldad said:

Your last line almost brought a tear to my eye. That poor dumb bastard. Wish  we or someone could have talked to him. Terribly sad for him as well. 


In way, yeh it is.  We’ve all been 22, you’re idealistic, prone to doing stupid shit.

Posted
6 hours ago, Parsad said:

 

They are definitely stark!  We have gun control and registration, just like we have seatbelts, airbags and anti-lock brakes.  We try and minimize accidental deaths. 

 

In the U.S., the perspective is, hey people die every day...fuck it!  Cheers!

No, that is a sad take on things.  

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