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[Sweet]

3 hours ago, Spekulatius said:

Tyler Robinson belonged to a group that call themselves Groyper apparently which is an alt right group that is probably best described as nihilist.

What’s the chances, that a guy who his own family said he thought Kirk was ‘hateful’ actually didn’t think Kirk was hateful enough; Who wrote ‘hey fascist, catch this’; A guy is dating a male-female trans person; and who his friends and former classmates said he was a lefty Redditor;  Is actually a far-right lunatic?  Very low.

 

 

Edited September 15, 2025 by Sweet

[Castanza]

3 minutes ago, Spekulatius said:

I don’t know who this kid is posting on TT but he is probably closer to the truth than most commentators. Tyler Robinson belonged to a group that call themselves Groyper apparently which is an alt right group that is probably best described as nihilist.

Also, Kirk it seems to me ran demagogy as a business. How do you explain him proposing public executions and reconcile this with traditional Christian world views? Even his wife after his death is basically fanning flames here “they don’t  know what they unleashed “. Sounds like demagogy to me.
Who is “they”?

 

 

What we are seeing here is a fracturing society fanned by various forces and now a president who is as divisive as he possibly can be. There are subcultures through social media and other reasons become quietly or not so quietly radicalized and nihilist for the lack of a better term. When he push nihilism to the extreme than indeed a murder become the same thing than a shitpost which is the point above poster is making. Sadly, if true, my guess is that we will see more of this happening.

 

Nihilism is like kiting a check on secularism and eventual outcomes you would expect at a societal level. I’m not debating whether right or wrong, simply pointing out that having subjective morality leaves the door open to people who want to push the limits beyond current societal acceptance. I think the idea that secularism is some panacea to religious views is blatantly wrong as it’s subjected to the same outcomes. It in and of itself has many religious characteristics. 
 

Humans are tribal by nature. We are seeing factions form all over that take views to the extreme and at all levels of society imo. All of these groups latch on to something, twist it beyond what it is and make it some core tenant to their lives and the groups lives. They then turn it into some survival of the fittest contest between themselves and opposing groups. 
 

Charlie Kirk was borderline a Christian Nationalist imo. He took Christian perspectives, ratcheted then up and then blended in govt and Murica. Simply put, his perspective on this is wrong. I won’t list other groups I think fall into similar buckets because some “members” on here might shit their pants. But a certain Canadian Parliament has an entire section on every floor dedicated to its literature. 
 

 

 

[Castanza]

7 hours ago, LC said:

 

This is turning into one of the less-discussed side effects of the 2nd Amendment - it creates this armed mentality all around. Protestors need military grade guns. So police need military grade guns. And it continues to escalate and then spills out of control.

 

It reminds me of an often quoted battlestar galactica scene:

 

I mean those guys were upset with the murder of Breonna Taylor so I don’t think they were wrong. And they were peaceful protestors. 
 

Police are the original gangsters - Ice-T

[DooDiligence]

9 hours ago, cwericb said:

 

John McCain was the very definition of a hero.

 

In 1967 as  a Navy pilot during Vietnam, McCain was shot down, seriously injured, captured, regularly severely beaten and tortured. In 1968 his captors discovered that his father was Admiral McCain and in a PR move John McCain was offered release. He refused release until all those captured before him were given their freedom. His beatings and torture continued until he was eventually released in 1973.

 

As one who refused to fight and dodged the draft numerous times, Trump's actions upon McCain's death should have been an embarrassment to the country for which John McCain fought, but it did show the true character of the President of the United States. 

 

Sadly, few if any of the President's supporters seem to have cared.

 

Biblical warnings:

 

The concept of false believers is addressed in both the Old and New Testaments. Jesus and the apostles taught that some people would feign faith for various reasons.

• Hypocrites and Pharisees: Jesus used the term "hypocrite"—meaning "actor"—to criticize religious leaders who performed good deeds publicly to be admired by others. In Matthew 23:13, he declares, "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!".
• Wolves in sheep's clothing: Jesus warned his followers about "false prophets" who "come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves" (Matthew 7:15). This imagery highlights how false believers can deceive others by appearing harmless and pious on the surface.
• Weeds and wheat: The parable of the weeds (Matthew 13:24–30) describes how impostors will coexist with true believers in the world until the time of final judgment.
• False apostles: The apostle Paul warned against "deceitful workers who disguise themselves as apostles of Christ" (2 Corinthians 11:13).

 

Characteristics of a "fake Christian"Based on biblical interpretations, a person might be considered a false Christian if they exhibit certain characteristics:

• Hypocrisy: They say one thing but do another, failing to align their actions with their stated beliefs. They may outwardly confess sins or perform religious duties but have no real intention of changing their hearts.
• Personal gain: Their motivation for being religious is selfish. They may use their professed faith to achieve power or financial profit, viewing what God can do for them materially as more important than a relationship with Him.
• Lack of genuine transformation: While they might profess faith, their heart and conduct remain unchanged. True faith is believed to produce a life consistent with God's will, as seen in the "fruit" of their actions.
• Twisting scripture: They may distort or ignore foundational biblical truths to justify their own selfish desires or worldly behaviors, such as habitual sin.
• Self-deception: Some may genuinely believe they are Christians but are deceived about their true spiritual condition. The apostle Paul encourages believers to "Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith" (2 Corinthians 13:5).
• Focus on works, not faith: They may believe they can earn their salvation through good deeds or religious rituals, rather than through faith in Christ alone. This leads to a performance-based mentality rather than a genuine relationship with God. 

 

Today, the label is used in various contexts, sometimes referring to "cultural Christians" who identify with the faith for social reasons but do not live out its values. It can also be used as a criticism of those seen as acting contrary to Christian teachings. 

 

The Bible clarifies that there is a difference between a struggling Christian who sins and a false one whose profession is not genuine. While only God can ultimately judge a person's heart, biblical teachings outline the characteristics of true and false faith to help believers discern between them. 

[DooDiligence]

9 hours ago, cwericb said:

 

John McCain was the very definition of a hero.

 

In 1967 as  a Navy pilot during Vietnam, McCain was shot down, seriously injured, captured, regularly severely beaten and tortured. In 1968 his captors discovered that his father was Admiral McCain and in a PR move John McCain was offered release. He refused release until all those captured before him were given their freedom. His beatings and torture continued until he was eventually released in 1973.

 

As one who refused to fight and dodged the draft numerous times, Trump's actions upon McCain's death should have been an embarrassment to the country for which John McCain fought, but it did show the true character of the President of the United States. 

 

Sadly, few if any of the President's supporters seem to have cared.

 

Not only that, but during the Forestall Fire he actually got out of his aircraft and ran towards the flames (there are multiple videos on the interwebs). He was going to assist his crew chief who was already on a fire hose, alone. A secondary explosion killed the crew chief, and many others, and knocked him back.

 

Meanwhile, Donald Trump was nursing his bone spurs.

 

Donald Trump is a COWARD and a PEDOPHILE

[DooDiligence]

If only Jesus would come back today and make all the bad ones go away. Then leave us all to play for a thousand years…

 

The quote, "His disciples said to him, 'When will the kingdom come?' Jesus said, 'It will not come by waiting for it. It will not be a matter of saying 'Here it is' or 'There it is'. Rather, the kingdom of the Father is spread out upon the earth, and people do not see it.'" comes from the Gospel of Thomas, a collection of sayings attributed to Jesus. This statement suggests the kingdom is not a future event or a specific location but a present reality that exists all around us, though often unseen due to a lack of spiritual perception.

 

The editors of the bible viewed Thomas as a heretic.

Thus, he was not included in the book.

[DooDiligence]

The term "Doubting Thomas" comes from the Gospel of John in the New Testament, which describes the Apostle Thomas's disbelief in Jesus' Resurrection until he could physically touch the wounds from Jesus' crucifixion. When the other disciples told Thomas they had seen the resurrected Christ, he refused to believe them unless he could see and touch the nail and spear wounds himself. A week later, Jesus appeared to Thomas and invited him to do so, at which point Thomas recanted his disbelief, declaring, "My Lord and my God!

[Castanza]

@DooDiligence Are you the new forum Stalyhep? ffs stop just posting AI searched on religious texts. At least share you personal uniformed opinion with us. 

[Gregmal]

2 hours ago, Sweet said:

What’s the chances, that a guy who his own family said he thought Kirk was ‘hateful’ actually didn’t think Kirk was hateful enough; Who wrote ‘hey fascist, catch this’; A guy is dating a male-female trans person, and who his friends; and former classmates said he was a lefty Redditor;  Is actually a far-right lunatic?  Very low.

 

 

LOL yea this is on par with previous efforts, like recently the "Trump health" issue...largely in response to Biden being....brain scrambled for four years while they lied and denied. It's why the party continues losing credibility. Follow the science turns into, "theres more than two genders"....

 

The conservatives do shit like "Democrats support crime"...and the general consensus is shock but then it's like woah they actually do lol. Or Libs support racism, and it's like nah...oh wait wow yea geez....and as time further goes on those once silly realizations become more and more evident. Democrats then feel stupid and try to do the same shit, but it's so bad and cringy that people just burst out laughing in their faces at it. Like yea, ok, the brainwashed kid who resented what he grew up around and developed an affinity for dongs and dudes dressed in halloween customs touting liberal ideology.....yea...far right...lmfao...ok pal...whatever you say.

[Sweet]

46 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

LOL yea this is on par with previous efforts, like recently the "Trump health" issue...largely in response to Biden being....brain scrambled for four years while they lied and denied. It's why the party continues losing credibility. Follow the science turns into, "theres more than two genders"....

 

The conservatives do shit like "Democrats support crime"...and the general consensus is shock but then it's like woah they actually do lol. Or Libs support racism, and it's like nah...oh wait wow yea geez....and as time further goes on those once silly realizations become more and more evident. Democrats then feel stupid and try to do the same shit, but it's so bad and cringy that people just burst out laughing in their faces at it. Like yea, ok, the brainwashed kid who resented what he grew up around and developed an affinity for dongs and dudes dressed in halloween customs touting liberal ideology.....yea...far right...lmfao...ok pal...whatever you say.

LOL!  Yeh, I swear people’s brainpower drops 25% when it comes to the my side your side thing.  Like you said in the other post, circle the important information and decide based on that.  In this day and age anyone who would only ever vote for party x are part of the problem with politics.  I label myself a conservative but in terms of voting I’m agnostic about what party I vote for.  Right now it’s the left that have went mad, and 20 years it may well be the right.

[Marco Van Basten]

@Spekulatius, so I am not an expert on theology, however it is easy to reconcile punishment for crime with Christianity.  First of all, Christianity is both the New Testament and Old Testament, and lest you forget, eye for an eye is in the Old Testament.  Moreover, I think in the Talmud it says that those who are merciful to the cruel are cruel to the merciful.  Jesus Christ, being a Jew, was most likely familiar with this line of thinking, even though the Talmud was complied several centuries after his death.  

[Buckeye]

It’s interesting that there are 100’s of posts in this thread disparaging the Fed Gov Cook, calling for her head, on what now appears to have been predicated on a lie created either by the Director of the FHFA, Bill Pulte or the President of the United States Donald Trump.

 

And since the big lie has been revealed, there have been 2 posts, coming to her defense. 
 

Seems like a fair and balanced reaction. 
 

On to the next flashpoint. 

 

[DooDiligence]

2 hours ago, Buckeye said:

It’s interesting that there are 100’s of posts in this thread disparaging the Fed Gov Cook, calling for her head, on what now appears to have been predicated on a lie created either by the Director of the FHFA, Bill Pulte or the President of the United States Donald Trump.

 

And since the big lie has been revealed, there have been 2 posts, coming to her defense. 
 

Seems like a fair and balanced reaction. 
 

On to the next flashpoint. 

 

 

Don't forget the Projector Of The US liked to over inflate RE values for loans and then argue with local municipalities for lower tax values.

 

Lowballin'

VVVVVV

 

https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-inc-podcast-trump-organization-suing-towns-property-tax-breaks

 

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article90053467.html

 

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and on the flip side

VVVVVVVVVVVV

 

https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-fraud-ruling-property-valuation-michael-cohen

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/donald-trumps-fraudulent-financial-statements-were-key-to-getting-loans-former-bank-official-says

 

there's too many of these articles and cases to link here...

 

https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-inc-podcast-never-before-seen-trump-tax-documents-show-major-inconsistencies

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_returns_of_Donald_Trump

 

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Can't have it both ways unless you're Cankles the Clown.

 

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RELEASE THE EPSTEIN FILES UN-REDACTED

[Spekulatius]

7 hours ago, Castanza said:

Nihilism is like kiting a check on secularism and eventual outcomes you would expect at a societal level. I’m not debating whether right or wrong, simply pointing out that having subjective morality leaves the door open to people who want to push the limits beyond current societal acceptance. I think the idea that secularism is some panacea to religious views is blatantly wrong as it’s subjected to the same outcomes. It in and of itself has many religious characteristics. 
 

Humans are tribal by nature. We are seeing factions form all over that take views to the extreme and at all levels of society imo. All of these groups latch on to something, twist it beyond what it is and make it some core tenant to their lives and the groups lives. They then turn it into some survival of the fittest contest between themselves and opposing groups. 
 

Charlie Kirk was borderline a Christian Nationalist imo. He took Christian perspectives, ratcheted then up and then blended in govt and Murica. Simply put, his perspective on this is wrong. I won’t list other groups I think fall into similar buckets because some “members” on here might shit their pants. But a certain Canadian Parliament has an entire section on every floor dedicated to its literature. 
 

 

You could be right. Nihilism is probably more descriptive of this person than the right/ left classification ( which appears pretty moot to me in this context). There are some really twisted thoughts and subcultures out there which can be described as mental illness.

 

I guess that’s how you get from furry memes and green frogs to killing someone.

Edited September 15, 2025 by Spekulatius

[Spekulatius]

3 hours ago, Buckeye said:

It’s interesting that there are 100’s of posts in this thread disparaging the Fed Gov Cook, calling for her head, on what now appears to have been predicated on a lie created either by the Director of the FHFA, Bill Pulte or the President of the United States Donald Trump.

 

And since the big lie has been revealed, there have been 2 posts, coming to her defense. 
 

Seems like a fair and balanced reaction. 
 

On to the next flashpoint. 

 

I think it’s clear to everyone that the allegation regarding Cook was a political play from Trump to get his way with the Federal reserve. Same than with the Fed renovation.

 

[dealraker]

6 hours ago, Buckeye said:

It’s interesting that there are 100’s of posts in this thread disparaging the Fed Gov Cook, calling for her head, on what now appears to have been predicated on a lie created either by the Director of the FHFA, Bill Pulte or the President of the United States Donald Trump.

 

And since the big lie has been revealed, there have been 2 posts, coming to her defense. 
 

Seems like a fair and balanced reaction. 
 

On to the next flashpoint. 

 

Not criticizing you Buckeye!   The model of baseless but endless attacks and grievance is one his followers mimic and is the dominant force in both old and new media today.  It works terrifically for controlling things and unfortunately puts all who choose not to board that bullshit boat into a response of "look what you do all the time" - which is of course a weak hand.  So when those seeking accuracy call out "look what you did based on lies" the accusers/grievance bunch don't even care because new and almost always fake accusations or grievances have already leapfrogged the old one. 

 

Offense if fun, defense not so much.  I can play the stupid-ass psycho-tennis game as well as anyone, but I try my best to honor Parsad's wishes and certainly don't want him to have to spend time censoring or expelling me.

[Gregmal]

Well….theres also the fact that when it happened everyone with eyes pretty much already knew Cook was targeted by Pulte and Trump, in an attempt to pressure the Fed to lower rates. So while I guess when stuff later comes out that confirms what everyone already knew, a few folks are still welcome to feel like they found their pot of gold or whatever, but for the rest of us it’s kinda just like meh, congrats on finally putting it all together; knew you’d get there eventually.

[DooDiligence]

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/15/trump-advocates-that-companies-stop-reporting-earnings-on-a-quarterly-basis-.html

 

Next up, we don't need no stinkin' audits.

[Buckeye]

1 hour ago, dealraker said:

Not criticizing you Buckeye!   The model of baseless but endless attacks and grievance is one his followers mimic and is the dominant force in both old and new media today.  It works terrifically for controlling things and unfortunately puts all who choose not to board that bullshit boat into a response of "look what you do all the time" - which is of course a weak hand.  So when those seeking accuracy call out "look what you did based on lies" the accusers/grievance bunch don't even care because new and almost always fake accusations or grievances have already leapfrogged the old one. 

 

Offense if fun, defense not so much.  I can play the stupid-ass psycho-tennis game as well as anyone, but I try my best to honor Parsad's wishes and certainly don't want him to have to spend time censoring or expelling me.

Really great points @dealraker, I always appreciate your take, thanks. 
 

Sometimes even if something seems obvious, I feel like it should pointed out. It’s probably a waste of my time. 

 

You’re right, playing defense does kinda suck….unless…changing subjects…you’re former NFL head coach and now Defensive Coordinator for the Ohio State Buckeyes!! Matt Patricia’s having a great season so far and seems to be really enjoying coaching college kids. Good for that dude and his family. 

[Buckeye]

1 hour ago, Gregmal said:

Well….theres also the fact that when it happened everyone with eyes pretty much already knew Cook was targeted by Pulte and Trump, in an attempt to pressure the Fed to lower rates. So while I guess when stuff later comes out that confirms what everyone already knew, a few folks are still welcome to feel like they found their pot of gold or whatever, but for the rest of us it’s kinda just like meh, congrats on finally putting it all together; knew you’d get there eventually.

Ok, I guess I’ll give you the “everyone knew what was going on” wrt to the targeting of Ms. Cook, even though the anti Woke MAGA mob, had a little different narrative, but that wasn’t you.

 

But the revelation that the targeting may have all been predicated on a fabrication/lie, that seemed like a big surprise to me.  I suppose the default is now set to “assume it’s all lies until proven otherwise” And it rhymes

[dealraker]

24 minutes ago, Buckeye said:

Really great points @dealraker, I always appreciate your take, thanks. 
 

Sometimes even if something seems obvious, I feel like it should pointed out. It’s probably a waste of my time. 

 

You’re right, playing defense does kinda suck….unless…changing subjects…you’re former NFL head coach and now Defensive Coordinator for the Ohio State Buckeyes!! Matt Patricia’s having a great season so far and seems to be really enjoying coaching college kids. Good for that dude and his family. 

go Buckeyes!

[DooDiligence]

Yellow journalism, hypocrisy, presidential ball gargling, it's all you could possibly want in a news source.

 

https://www.alternet.org/fox-host-melissa-hortman/

[dealraker]

10 hours ago, DooDiligence said:

Yellow journalism, hypocrisy, presidential ball gargling, it's all you could possibly want in a news source.

 

https://www.alternet.org/fox-host-melissa-hortman/

Lachlan by now surely has had the corp meeting where he states blatantly, "We've got the standard white man spending half his life death gripping the arm chair.  He's the guy with the money, he's our ad target, do whatever it takes to get him glued to the set with rage."  

 

He continues with, "We are the main stream news and majority now and we have all the assets and power, but you must continue to state that we are the victims, we are the ones who must aggressively regain our status."  And there's more, "Remember that for now it is ALWAYS the liberal left to blame no matter what...and again at least for now Trump's now 6,000 lawsuits are ALL justified...the poor man is picked on endlessly...it is so unfair how he's being treated...you MUST sell this grievance shit all day... every single moment of every day or your ass is grass here...got it?!"

 

And finally, "But always be aware people that things can change, things do change, particularly should the economy tank.  We need to be on edge watching, what we sell is always subject to the pivot...yes even the Trump parade can go down.  But for now surely the economy great, the market is gonna double from Trump's genius, and the civil war is coming so by God ram it down the lemmings throats."

 

And Lachlan sends out a post meeting note: "Kirk's a short termer, gotta remember this people no matter how taken you are about it; its Trump's reaction that sells.  Limit the Miller stuff guys...and the VP too...they just don't work for us.  Trump, it's Trump, and more Trump."

Edited September 16, 2025 by dealraker

[John Hjorth]

34 minutes ago, dealraker said:

Lachan by now surely has had the corp meeting where he states blatantly, "We've got the standard white man spending half his life death gripping the arm chair.  He's the guy with the money, he's our ad target, do whatever it takes to get him glued to the set with rage."  ...

 

Here it happened to me again: It's starts as a tiny chuckle, gradually evolving into an uncontrollable full-blown laughter based in the gut area! 

Edited September 16, 2025 by John Hjorth

[73 Reds]

12 hours ago, Gregmal said:

Well….theres also the fact that when it happened everyone with eyes pretty much already knew Cook was targeted by Pulte and Trump, in an attempt to pressure the Fed to lower rates. So while I guess when stuff later comes out that confirms what everyone already knew, a few folks are still welcome to feel like they found their pot of gold or whatever, but for the rest of us it’s kinda just like meh, congrats on finally putting it all together; knew you’d get there eventually.

Many of these things fall into the "pick your battle" category.  You can literally pick a fight over everything Trump says or does.  The problem is, the Left actually does.  They can't accept any decision, comment or action.  It doesn't serve them well.