Political Posts

[LC]

14 minutes ago, Eldad said:

I’m not trying to draw any conclusions.   Just the association will probably fan the flames.
 

For example cubsfan predicted it would be a trans person or trans activist and Parsad had a strong reaction and threatened to ban him. Without getting into the why, I just know it is. 
 

 

Must have been the trans partner that put the idea in this sweet humble conservative salt-of-the-earth boy’s head. 
 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOfmTLWDPeC/?igsh=bW53Y3U2dTNpajYx

[Castanza]

56 minutes ago, Spekulatius said:

Background checks for weapon possession would do very little as he had no blemishes on his background checks.

 

Best I can tell he was piggybacking on the Trump shooter as the case looks eerily similar. I don’t really think we can learn anything from this nor prevent similar crimes from happening in the future.

FBI and CDC have been saying this for 30 years. I posted the links a few pages back, None of the adults (politicians) in the room want to address the core issue “What is radicalizing people.” Because it’s not productive from a political points perspective. At this point this issue is endemic to society. 

[Blugolds]

There are crazy people among us. What was the political affiliation of the guy who stabbed that poor girl on the train? Does it matter? Probably not he was just a psycho.

 

there are psychos out there who would act out anyway (as evident by the train incident) so you have people who act out with and without political influence. Stab the girl he’s a psycho, stab the girl and she happens to have some affiliation with a political party or a different color skin/religion etc and they want to know exactly what the perp believed. 
 

Combine those already present tendencies with the tinder/spark of politics and it’s always gonna be around. Plenty of examples in this country, other countries, human history. 

 

combine that with probably the most abrasive president in the countries history, social media algorithms perfected to sow division, MSM doing their part, and it’s very ugly. When you have civil war hashtag trending on social media platforms you’ve got a problem and if any of these jack wagons in Washington want to avoid us going even deeper into trouble they should start to set an example of personal conduct and behavior and ideally work together, although I’m honestly not sure that’s possible, it’s absolute madness how the political landscape has transformed and it’s shameful. And I don’t think either party can claim the high ground here because I think both sides are culpable, and it doesn’t matter who does it more or who started it etc etc the “what abouts” dont matter, the only thing that matters is it’s got to stop before something pops off that has even graver consequences and that’s my hope. All this BS stops, in this country and worldwide. If we spent half the time trying to work together that we do trying to find fault with others, blaming, smearing, competing for power etc, we wouldn’t have 90% of the problems we do, we work harder creating problems than we do trying to fix things and make things work, it’s absolute madness and unfortunately I think, also human nature. 
 

 

[Marco Van Basten]

8 hours ago, Spekulatius said:

Actually, if you really want to know why this incident deserves more attention, check the full video that was released and in particular the aftermath. There were half a dozen of people on this train wagon while the. murder happened who all happened to look way or pretended to see nothing and scrolled on their phone. two guys carefully stepped around the blood spots on the floor.

 

Perhaps better not to watch it if you want to keep your faith in humans. I don’t know what I would have done either.

 

You can make whatever you want into this - a dangerous criminal who should not be out there, DEI (not sure what it has to do with it but have at it), or a public murder in a commuter train (which I have used myself on occasion).

 

For me, the part of the story that is most relevant that this fellow can murder a woman in a train and the people around do nothing and keep looking away or at their phones. No politics, just apathy.

I would add the following: the killer was clearly mentally ill, it was known by his family, and presumably law enforcement, and yet he was free to walk the streets.  Perhaps, we need to bring back past practice of forced confinement of crazy people to mental institutions, and make sure that they are humanely run.  

[DooDiligence]

Quack quack. Sounds like a duck.

 

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/euthanasia-program#:~:text=The Euthanasia Program was the,integrity" of the German nation.

[Sweet]

6 hours ago, LC said:

Must have been the trans partner that put the idea in this sweet humble conservative salt-of-the-earth boy’s head. 
 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOfmTLWDPeC/?igsh=bW53Y3U2dTNpajYx

What do these clips even mean?  It’s multiple 1 - 2 sec edits.  You keep posting lots of things divorced from their context.  
 

You and dealbreaker posted several things Kirk said, without the framing and context Kirk himself provided, to make it look like he said something he did not.

 

Why?

 

Edited September 14, 2025 by Sweet

[DooDiligence]

[whiskybravo]

57 minutes ago, Sweet said:

What do these clips even mean?  It’s multiple 1 - 2 sec edits.  You keep posting lots of things divorced from their context.  
 

You and dealbreaker posted several things Kirk said, without the framing and context Kirk himself provided, to gerrymander a narrative that suited you.

 

I’ve had the same frustration. The left leaning guys here are great outside of politics, but once politics comes up, the tone can shift, more snark, less interest in honest context.  Some have internalized the idea that politics equals morality. So if you disagree, you’re not just wrong, you’re immoral. 

Edited September 14, 2025 by whiskybravo

[73 Reds]

20 hours ago, oscarazocar said:

 

In September 1975, there were two serious assassination attempts on President Ford within a few weeks of each other.  In one case, the woman attemped to fire a gun at Ford from two feet away.  She hadn't correctly loaded a round into the chamber so the shot didn't go off, and she was tackled by Secret Service.  In the other case, the woman got off two rounds from 40 feet away, one missing Ford's head by 5 inches, the other striking a bystander.

 

https://www.history.com/articles/gerald-ford-assassination-attempts-1975-lessons

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted_assassination_of_Gerald_Ford_in_Sacramento

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted_assassination_of_Gerald_Ford_in_San_Francisco

 

Bryan Burroughs, co-author of the excellent Barbarians at the Gate, wrote a terrific book a few years ago on radical violence in the 1970's, Days of Rage, that I highly recommend.  The number of politically motivated bombings and hijackings then dwarfs what we see today.

 

https://www.amazon.com/Days-Rage-Underground-Forgotten-Revolutionary/dp/0143107976

I stand corrected.  Yet back then there was no social media where everyone has a soap box.  That, more than anything is responsible for today's divisiveness.

[Sweet]

3 hours ago, whiskybravo said:

I’ve had the same frustration. The left leaning guys here are great outside of politics, but once politics comes up, the tone can shift, more snark, less interest in honest context.  Some have internalized the idea that politics equals morality. So if you disagree, you’re not just wrong, you’re immoral. 

It’s intellectually weak.  See the same stuff from the lunatic right, they post some edited video to make it seem like the person from left are promoting violence - you find the wider context and they are talking about ‘gutting’ their argument in a debate or something.

[dealraker]

4 hours ago, Sweet said:

What do these clips even mean?  It’s multiple 1 - 2 sec edits.  You keep posting lots of things divorced from their context.  
 

You and dealbreaker posted several things Kirk said, without the framing and context Kirk himself provided, to make it look like he said something he did not.

 

Why?

 

Oh sweet my 2nd post included verbatim quotes.  You are trying way too hard, the effort isn't productive.

[Sweet]

33 minutes ago, dealraker said:

Oh sweet my 2nd post included verbatim quotes.  You are trying way too hard, the effort isn't productive.

You edited out entire paragraphs.  I posted a much fuller version of the Kirk’s quote before you quoted anything at all.  
 

It’s my strong suspicion that you saw a snippet of what Kirk said posted somewhere and took it at face value.

 

And yes, I do try hard to be fair.  You should to.

 

Edited September 14, 2025 by Sweet

[Spekulatius]

12 hours ago, dealraker said:

Charlie Munger's "The Psychology of Human Misjudgment" talks/writings come to mind too.  And Robert Cialdini's Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion!

I may not give it justice and read only a few excerpts but found Mungers book a bit unstructured and insufferable and preachy. Cialdini’s book seems like a great one and it’s on my list.

[dealraker]

10 minutes ago, Spekulatius said:

I may not give it justice and read only a few excerpts but found Mungers book a bit unstructured and insufferable and preachy. Cialdini’s book seems like a great one and it’s on my list.

Yes Ralf that's Munger for sure.  I simply found so much of his preaching fun to read.

[Eldad]

Brian Kilmeade says maybe we should just kill the problem homeless if they won’t abide by the programs set up to help them. 
 

Is there anyone left in this country with good judgement or impulse control? 

[dwy000]

3 hours ago, 73 Reds said:

I stand corrected.  Yet back then there was no social media where everyone has a soap box.  That, more than anything is responsible for today's divisiveness.

This x 100!!

 

If we can get this worked up on a stock investing board think what's going on over at Twitter and IG without the diversion of investing.  And most people under 30 get all their news and outside info from there instead of MSM. 

[Eldad]

5 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

This x 100!!

 

If we can get this worked up on a stock investing board think what's going on over at Twitter and IG without the diversion of investing.  And most people under 30 get all their news and outside info from there instead of MSM. 

A nationwide Dry January but with abstaining from phones for a month might do wonders.
 

But it would probably crash the economy or something, so full steam ahead. 

[dwy000]

1 minute ago, Eldad said:

A nationwide Dry January but with abstaining from phones for a month might do wonders.
 

But it would probably crash the economy or something, so full steam ahead. 

Nah I couldn't do without the Investing Ideas category.  The Politics section....now youre talkin!

[LC]

8 hours ago, Sweet said:

What do these clips even mean?  It’s multiple 1 - 2 sec edits.  You keep posting lots of things divorced from their context.  
 

You and dealbreaker posted several things Kirk said, without the framing and context Kirk himself provided, to make it look like he said something he did not.

 

Why?

 

Well I assume the typical COBF'er does not need to sift thru the entirety of an individual's public, private, and personal remarks to come to the conclusion about someone. Get real! 

 

You think I'm trying to deceive people? Everything anyone has posted in this thread is available right on the internet - anyone who cares enough can do their own research and come to their own conclusion.

 

Maybe Trump is really a meek and humble pacifist who just wishes to unify the American people. Or maybe he just doesn't care: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOgUCdmjS0i/

 

Maybe this guy is really a super duper Christian or maybe he shot four democrats in Minnesota:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DK77MuyhzRV/

 

Oh btw - what was the Minnesota shooter's MO? Impersonating a police officer! But don't worry, ICE shouldn't bother having to identify themselves. God forbid we get robbed of great youtube content that we can sit around after bible study and watch with our kids:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMqSa-BoPt1/

 

When this guy said "just kill the homeless" (oh wait, he didn't actually use those words - I must be deliberately misrepresenting him!) maybe he really meant just involuntarily euthanize them with kindness!

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOjvuYJClzx/

 

You talk about intellectual weakness but you are the one ignoring the weight of the argument and focusing on splitting hairs.

 

"Oh, LC, you sneaky liar! The officer didn't die from the Jan 6 riots but rather the massive heart attack and two strokes that nobody can prove was caused by being assaulted and maced by a horde of angry lunatics, so obviously those Jan 6 protestors did nothing wrong and were totally nonviolent and let's ignore the fact that they had stun guns and zip-tie handcuffs and Trump pardoned all of them. I'm just quoting the coroner!"

 

The point was not about a coroner and the cause of death. It was about Jan 6 not being some peaceful protest that deserves a blanket pardon (oh, excuse me: partial pardons and the remainder being sentence commutations).

 

And the Trump shooting video, the point is not whether a single video inspires some shooter. The point is a refutation that somehow "It's all the Libs fault!" as many are claiming. Trump and Kirk and the entire right-wing cadre purposefully incite extremism. And then they get all worked up when extremism occurs and blame everyone else. Well I said it before and I'll repeat it: Kirk played a stupid game and now we are supposed to be surprised that he won a stupid prize? 

 

I enjoy a good debate because it sharpens the knives, but I am not going to sit here an argue minutiae with you. And frankly your arguments (which are good arguments and which I enjoy debating) lose relevance when you focus on irrelevant details and ignore or distract from the main point. I mean no offense by that but I hope you see where I am coming from.

[DooDiligence]

I enjoy seeing crime as much as the next guy but how 'bout we skip it this time and go straight to 1945

 

https://www.historyextra.com/period/second-world-war/timeline-third-reich/

[Sweet]

1 hour ago, LC said:

Well I assume the typical COBF'er does not need to sift thru the entirety of an individual's public, private, and personal remarks to come to the conclusion about someone. Get real! 

 

I don't even know what you are trying to say, but I do know that 1-2 sec edited clips to try and make it look like Trump was making the arguments for shooting people is disingenuous.

 

1 hour ago, LC said:

You think I'm trying to deceive people? Everything anyone has posted in this thread is available right on the internet - anyone who cares enough can do their own research and come to their own conclusion.

 

It's probably even worse.  You're deceived.

 

1 hour ago, LC said:

You talk about intellectual weakness but you are the one ignoring the weight of the argument and focusing on splitting hairs.

 

I'm not post deceptive edits devoid of context.  I'm not posting out of context BS about what Charlie Kirk and others which was scrapped from some bottom dwelling propogandist. 

 

1 hour ago, LC said:

The point was not about a coroner and the cause of death. It was about Jan 6 not being some peaceful protest that deserves a blanket pardon (oh, excuse me: partial pardons and the remainder being sentence commutations).

 

Then make that point without the exaggeration or lies.

 

1 hour ago, LC said:

I enjoy a good debate because it sharpens the knives, but I am not going to sit here an argue minutiae with you. And frankly your arguments (which are good arguments and which I enjoy debating) lose relevance when you focus on irrelevant details and ignore or distract from the main point. I mean no offense by that but I hope you see where I am coming from.

 

Fair.  This place isn't reddit or Twitter.  Let's try and have that debate on the facts alone.

[Sweet]

1 hour ago, DooDiligence said:

I enjoy seeing crime as much as the next guy but how 'bout we skip it this time and go straight to 1945

 

https://www.historyextra.com/period/second-world-war/timeline-third-reich/

 

13 hours ago, DooDiligence said:

Quack quack. Sounds like a duck.

 

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/euthanasia-program#:~:text=The Euthanasia Program was the,integrity" of the German nation.

 

 

I don't even know what your motives are for posting this, but it's just silliness to me to try and equate this with the Nazis.  Not only silly, but rather demeans what fascism really is and all that happened in world war 2.

[LC]

Well if you think I was exaggerating or lying you should go check out post that I was responding to where it was claimed the Jan 6 traitors were unarmed:

What a phony you are. The "Patriots" were unarmed"

 

Where are your posts ridiculing that poster for those exaggerated lies!?  

 

Don't worry - I realize there is no reasoning with you here, so in an effort to have something of a fruitful discussion I'll move on and not belabour that point. 

 

 

Now since you mentioned debating based on the facts alone, why should I be held to a higher standard than POTUS?

Trump fires Federal Reserve Governors without any basis in fact: 

 

 

I'll wait for the uproar that significant employment decisions for one of the nation's most important positions of Fed Reserve Governor are made without any basis in fact.

 

Hey, maybe she was a DEI hire!?

 

But I get it - rules for me but not for thee. Talk about intellectual weakness!  

[LC]

I think I know who does like you, Donny boy! 

 

 

 

 

[Sweet]

20 minutes ago, LC said:

Well if you think I was exaggerating or lying you should go check out post that I was responding to where it was claimed the Jan 6 traitors were unarmed:

What a phony you are. The "Patriots" were unarmed"

 

Where are your posts ridiculing that poster for those exaggerated lies!?  

 

Don't worry - I realize there is no reasoning with you here, so in an effort to have something of a fruitful discussion I'll move on and not belabour that point. 

 

 

Now since you mentioned debating based on the facts alone, why should I be held to a higher standard than POTUS?

Trump fires Federal Reserve Governors without any basis in fact: 

 

 

I'll wait for the uproar that significant employment decisions for one of the nation's most important positions of Fed Reserve Governor are made without any basis in fact.

 

Hey, maybe she was a DEI hire!?

 

But I get it - rules for me but not for thee. Talk about intellectual weakness!  

I think you should look back in the thread a bit LC.  Cubs and I agree on many things, I like Cubs in fact.  However Cubs and I have had plenty of arguments, particularly around Ukraine and tariffs, and I’ve said already to Cubs (several times) that I thought some of his views and behaviour were cultish.

 

More generally.  I don’t know a thing about the Governor issue and I try my best to not comment on things where my starting knowledge is zero.  Not looked into it at all and I don’t intend to.  I’ve said many times (I’m a broken record) that I’m not American.  I’ve been deliberately trying to avoid this thread and US politics.  Relatively successfully for weeks - until I saw the video of the girl getting killed on a train, and then Kirk.  And after I’ve blown off steam I’m going to try and ignore US politics again - for as long as I can.

 

Edited September 14, 2025 by Sweet