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[Parsad]

6 hours ago, Sweet said:

I didn't say that though.  I said there was a live stream all day from TMZ HQ and staffers could be heard cheering when Charlie Kirk’s death was announced.  TMZ said they were laughing about something else, which doesn’t seem believable if you watch the video.

 

 

I have to disagree.  It takes two to tango but the coddling, excuse making, the ‘time to rise’ we're oppressed stuff, is dominated by the left in the US and that's even including the Jan 6 activities by the right.

 

 

 

Nobody is saying that there aren't good people or that they all believe in the most extreme interpretation.  There are rarely any issues when the number of people following Islam is small.

 

When the numbers get larger, as in the UK where we have millions, you do get pockets of extreme behaviour, and that has a pull on the rest of the community.  Trevor Philips, a black guy, politically left and aligned with Labour, and former head of the equality commission here in the UK, produced a report and a survey of the attitudes of Muslims.  His conclusion was that many held views which run contrary to the laws of the country, and that they had no intention of adopting our values or integrating into our society.  The result? - he was was accused of Islamophobia and removed from the Labour Party for what many regard as simply reporting what is self evidently true.

 

In the UK there was a very recent attempt to set up a muslim political party (which thankfully was rejected by the electoral commission as illegal).  The vast majority of the terrorism work of MI5 is Islamic terrorism.  Muslims predominantly vote as a block - is this ever good for a society?  They are more likely to get benefits and social housing, they are less likely to be economically active, and three times more likely to go jail.

 

And remember, countries in Europe are formed predominantly by ethnic groups with shared values, culture, language etc.  The messy European borders is a reflection of that ethnicity not geography.  Large numbers of immigrants of any sort, but particular those with divergent ideals, behaviours and social norms, are fragmenting society and balkanising European politics.  There are loads of muslim countries which follow Islam laws, they should go there.  I certainly would never migrant to an Islamic country and expect society to just welcome me and my beliefs with open arms.

 

 

I never said it was, I only replied because LC is being dishonest.  Trump was not mocking a person’s disability, that’s how he mocks many people.  Don't the facts matters?

 

Even then, for the most part Trump is joking about it.  He even said of the disabled person that he was a ‘nice guy’.

 

When it comes to mocking, Obama roasted Trump for 5 mins at the correspondence dinner in 2011, and at that time Trump wasn't even in politics:

 

 

 

 

I'm not even going to begin to respond to this post...there are just so many fallacies, I have less faith in the world ever fixing things with beliefs like this!  

 

In terms of the ribbing Trump received, it was at the Correspondent's dinner...where people are roasted...and you may have forgotten that Trump spent the last year literally hunting down Obama saying he wasn't eligible to be President because he wasn't born in America.  In fact, Trump spent the next two years, pushing the "birther" movement even offering money for Obama to produce his birth certificate. 

 

It became a massive conspiracy the type Cubsfan buys into!  It was the origination of all of the bullshit that is now served to the MAGA masses on a gold platter every day, which they lap up believing it tastes great!

 

Cheers!

[Parsad]

4 hours ago, 73 Reds said:

Accidental shootings are just that - accidents.  Accidental deaths happen far more frequently with vehicles.  Should cars be banned?  What about people who fall off cliffs while hiking - should we ban hiking on mountain paths?   Sometimes I feel like your posts demonstrate the stark difference between prevailing attitudes of Canadians vs. US citizens on certain issues.    

 

They are definitely stark!  We have gun control and registration, just like we have seatbelts, airbags and anti-lock brakes.  We try and minimize accidental deaths. 

 

In the U.S., the perspective is, hey people die every day...fuck it!  Cheers!

[Parsad]

4 hours ago, 73 Reds said:

But that's just it - "All in the Family" was hilarious because it was a PARODY on the issues of the day that were quickly changing for the better.  I was around back then and we are vastly more divided today.

 

Nope...things were exactly the same!  Cheers!

[Parsad]

4 hours ago, Onefoothurdles said:

You’re right — sometimes violence really is senseless and random. George Harrison’s stabbing was exactly that: a tragic encounter with a mentally ill intruder, not a political act. And we don’t even need to look that far back — Charlotte reminded us just days ago how random, senseless violence still happens. When someone is killed under horrific but non-political circumstances (like Iryna in Charlotte), the response is sadness and anger — not people saying “they deserved it” because of their opinions.

 

That’s why Charlie Kirk’s death sits in a different category. When people openly celebrate it as “street justice,” it shows they don’t see it as random. And sitting here in Australia, where much of the political sphere and media lean left, the reactions feel especially unhinged. The fact that his death is being celebrated because of his views shows we’ve stepped into a very different and troubling moral space.

 

I think the majority of people...up to 80%+...felt it was a tragedy.  You are always going to have a percentage of the population that act with indifference or joy to some things.  How many people were talking about conspiracies and the shooter working for Tim Walz when Melissa Hortmann was killed?  People can be assholes!  Cheers!

[Gregmal]

5 minutes ago, Parsad said:

terms of the ribbing Trump received, it was at the Correspondent's dinner...where people are roasted.

Also don’t forget, Trump participated in a Comedy Central Roast right around the same time. It’s fair game. 
 

What’s telling is, well I encourage everyone to actually watch that roast because it’s hilarious, but what’s telling is….all the people in attendance claiming to be Trumps friends! It just goes to show how shallow, valueless and just in general fake the elitist class is.

[Sweet]

3 minutes ago, Parsad said:

 

I'm not even going to begin to respond to this post...there are just so many fallacies, I have less faith in the world ever fixing things with beliefs like this!  

 

In terms of the ribbing Trump received, it was at the Correspondent's dinner...where people are roasted...and you may have forgotten that Trump spent the last year literally hunting down Obama saying he wasn't eligible to be President because he wasn't born in America.  In fact, Trump spent the next two years, pushing the "birther" movement even offering money for Obama to produce his birth certificate. 

 

It became a massive conspiracy the type Cubsfan buys into!  It was the origination of all of the bullshit that is now served to the MAGA masses on a gold platter every day, which they lap up believing it tastes great!

 

Cheers!

I get it, I can’t be bothered either.  
 

I’d say one thing, you say fallacies but before posting I went to the reports, the survey of 10,000 Muslims, dug up the figures for the UK on economic activity, numbers in jails, numbers of terrorist cases by ideology.  They’re not fallacies.  We have a difference of opinion about immigration into the UK, I’d like to think as a native, and someone ethnically from these island that my opinion is more important than those who don’t live here (we can disagree on that too).  But the facts are the facts.
 

Regarding Trump, I agree.  He’s a big boy, he talks shit, so he has to be able to take it, but he Obama was roasting a citizen.

[Parsad]

36 minutes ago, Eldad said:

Yeah spent shell casing said “hey fascist catch” which puts it squarely on the MSM industrial complex. 
 

A relief that it appears to just be a mislead kid and not something people on the right can easily read conspiracy theories into. Hopefully we can de-escalate now. 

 

What the fuck?  You blame the media?  What about all of the right wing propaganda that people are fed daily as well?  Melissa Hortman was shot because of Vance Bolter's beliefs against Democrats and other politicians he was targeting.  

 

If you really want to de-escalate, then start without blaming any one group.  Left and right both do shitty things that lead to false narratives!  Cheers!

[Parsad]

4 minutes ago, Sweet said:

I get it, I can’t be bothered either.  
 

I’d say one thing, you say fallacies but before posting I went to the reports, the survey of 10,000 Muslims, dug up the figures for the UK on economic activity, numbers in jails, numbers of terrorist cases by ideology.  They’re not fallacies.  We have a difference of opinion about immigration into the UK, I’d like to think as a native, and someone ethnically from these island that my opinion is more important than those who don’t live here (we can disagree on that too).  But the facts are the facts.
 

Regarding Trump, I agree.  He’s a big boy, he talks shit, so he has to be able to take it, but he Obama was roasting a citizen.

 

Trump rips into reporters every day...citizens...calling them stupid, ugly, liars, bad at their job...this is the President not roasting citizens, but insulting them to their face, in front of worldwide viewers simply because they asked a question!  You see what you want to see.  Cheers!

[Castanza]

2 minutes ago, Parsad said:

 

They are definitely stark!  We have gun control and registration, just like we have seatbelts, airbags and anti-lock brakes.  We try and minimize accidental deaths. 

 

In the U.S., the perspective is, hey people die every day...fuck it!  Cheers!

 

Personal experience/anecdote is not a great way to promote legislative changes because it often ignores the views of those with the complete opposite view likewise due to an experience in the complete opposite. As mentioned before the low end of FBI and other Third Party research shows 60k Defensive Gun Uses in the US every year. The high-end is 1m on average. 

 

We should be trying to minimize accidental deaths of statistical importance when weighed against the opposite. You can't make legislation based on numbers in a vacuum.

 

Most auto deaths (43k of them) are caused by speeding and or drunk driving. Okay, so ban alcohol and put GPS governors on all new vehicles so that they cannot exceed the speed limit of any public road. This would eliminate 30k of those deaths every year. Why do we need vehicles that can go over 75mph? Because they are "fun"? 

[Parsad]

11 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

Also don’t forget, Trump participated in a Comedy Central Roast right around the same time. It’s fair game. 
 

What’s telling is, well I encourage everyone to actually watch that roast because it’s hilarious, but what’s telling is….all the people in attendance claiming to be Trumps friends! It just goes to show how shallow, valueless and just in general fake the elitist class is.

 

Sure, I totally agree with that...George Clooney and the like...tech oligarchs...most are hypocrites.  Cheers!

[Parsad]

1 minute ago, Castanza said:

 

Personal experience/anecdote is not a great way to promote legislative changes because it often ignores the views of those with the complete opposite view likewise due to an experience in the complete opposite. As mentioned before the low end of FBI and other Third Party research shows 60k Defensive Gun Uses in the US every year. The high-end is 1m on average. 

 

We should be trying to minimize accidental deaths of statistical importance when weighed against the opposite. You can't make legislation based on numbers in a vacuum.

 

Most auto deaths (43k of them) are caused by speeding and or drunk driving. Okay, so ban alcohol and put GPS governors on all new vehicles so that they cannot exceed the speed limit of any public road. This would eliminate 30k of those deaths every year. Why do we need vehicles that can go over 75mph? Because they are "fun"? 

 

I'm not talking about elimination.  I'm talking about restrictions. You need a driver's license to drive...you need a pilot's license to fly a plane...you cannot own a nuclear bomb...there are alcohol blood limits for driving...kids cannot drive (yet they own guns)...not all drugs are legalized...I mean the friggin' list goes on and on.  Why not the same restrictions on guns?  Cheers!

[Eldad]

1 minute ago, Parsad said:

 

What the fuck?  You blame the media?  What about all of the right wing propaganda that people are fed daily as well?  Melissa Hortman was shot because of Vance Bolter's beliefs against Democrats and other politicians he was targeting.  

 

If you really want to de-escalate, then start without blaming any one group.  Left and right both do shitty things that lead to false narratives!  Cheers!

Do you remember last September/October? I think the MSM industrial complex probably said the word “fascist” with respect to Trump and MAGA 1000s of times a day. That was actually Kamala’s closing campaign strategy. They are the ones that are always sanctimoniously telling everyone that words have consequences. 
 

I blame the kid, who was unfortunately brainwashed. 
 

 

[John Hjorth]

2 hours ago, Sweet said:

No problem John.  Recently I have tuned out a lot of US stuff and this thread, although I felt something strong in the pit of my stomach when Kirk was murdered that I can't explain - killed in front his wife and kids and leaving two very young children with no father.  Truly evil.  Yeh that's moved me and I know already it's hardened my attitudes especially seeing the many celebrations.  Although some bright spots too, some good people on the left calling it out.  

 

On Obama mocking Trump, it was reported at the time that Trump was considering running for president, but he was undecided.  Some have speculated that Obama's joking and humiliating (whatever your view is) made up his mind and he decided to run.  Basically he couldn't let Obama have the last laugh.

 

14 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

Also don’t forget, Trump participated in a Comedy Central Roast right around the same time. It’s fair game. 
 

What’s telling is, well I encourage everyone to actually watch that roast because it’s hilarious, but what’s telling is….all the people in attendance claiming to be Trumps friends! It just goes to show how shallow, valueless and just in general fake the elitist class is.

 

Thank you, @Sweet & Greg [ @Gregmal ],

 

Thank you for shedding some light on backdrop and perceptions. The Correspondence Dinner in black tie / tux and long gowns, but still just a bad taste party. Ugh.

[Parsad]

14 minutes ago, Eldad said:

Do you remember last September/October? I think the MSM industrial complex probably said the word “fascist” with respect to Trump and MAGA 1000s of times a day. That was actually Kamala’s closing campaign strategy. They are the ones that are always sanctimoniously telling everyone that words have consequences. 
 

I blame the kid, who was unfortunately brainwashed. 
 

 

 

What about Trump every day calling different politicians and citizens liars, corrupt, lock-them up, fire them, ugly, communists, haters, etc.  He puts out more garbage than the entire MSM combined!  Which is worse...calling someone a fascist or telling your minions that your rival is going to destroy the whole country?  What's the difference...there isn't any...both are wrong!  Cheers!

[Parsad]

13 minutes ago, John Hjorth said:

 

 

Thank you, @Sweet & Greg [ @Gregmal ],

 

Thank you for shedding some light on backdrop and perceptions. The Correspondence Dinner in black tie / tux and long gowns, but still just a bad taste party. Ugh.

 

Yes, but it's a common theme...no one was complaining when Ronald Regan or Bill Clinton were roasting others.  It's supposed to be a light-hearted affair supporting the media and the purpose it serves to inform America and the world.  Cheers!

[dwy000]

25 minutes ago, Parsad said:

 

I'm not talking about elimination.  I'm talking about restrictions. You need a driver's license to drive...you need a pilot's license to fly a plane...you cannot own a nuclear bomb...there are alcohol blood limits for driving...kids cannot drive (yet they own guns)...not all drugs are legalized...I mean the friggin' list goes on and on.  Why not the same restrictions on guns?  Cheers!

They banned lawn darts nationally after 2 kids died. 

[Parsad]

5 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

They banned lawn darts nationally after 2 kids died. 

 

LOL!  Cheers!

[Gregmal]

22 minutes ago, Parsad said:

 

What about Trump every day calling different politicians and citizens liars, corrupt, lock-them up, fire them, ugly, communists, haters, etc.  He puts out more garbage than the entire MSM combined!  Which is worse...calling someone a fascist or telling your minions that your rival is going to destroy the whole country?  What's the difference...there isn't any...both are wrong!  Cheers!

Everyone realizes that politicians are liars and promote rhetoric. The true threat to the people is an outfit like The NY Times that brandishes its once golden reputation to validate its blatant propaganda and agenda driven garbage. This kid, apparently of at least average intelligence, just fell for it hook, line and sinker and now ruined his life and destroyed at least two families. 

[Parsad]

1 minute ago, Gregmal said:

Everyone realizes that politicians are liars and promote rhetoric. The true threat to the people is an outfit like The NY Times that brandishes its once golden reputation to validate its blatant propaganda and agenda driven garbage. This kid, apparently of at least average intelligence, just fell for it hook, line and sinker and now ruined his life and destroyed at least two families. 

 

So you are saying that the MSM is more reliable than the President of the United States in terms of what people hear and consume?  C'mon Greg, you're way smarter than that.  If anything they are equally followed and equally influential.  Cheers!

[Gregmal]

5 minutes ago, Parsad said:

 

So you are saying that the MSM is more reliable than the President of the United States in terms of what people hear and consume?  C'mon Greg, you're way smarter than that.  If anything they are equally followed and equally influential.  Cheers!

Im saying they "should be". The medias job should be to report the news. The news should be fairly factual. Instead the media has become just as if not more egregious than the politicians. At least politicians...no one should be taking seriously. 

[John Hjorth]

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Clear NATO red line. No more *BS* and fooling around.

[dwy000]

8 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

Im saying they "should be". The medias job should be to report the news. The news should be fairly factual. Instead the media has become just as if not more egregious than the politicians. At least politicians...no one should be taking seriously. 

While the NYT is biased in its opinions it is still the gold standard on factual news.  The issue isnt even close to being the MSM, its social media where extremism flourishes.  I dont think anyone's been radicalized to murder by the NY Times or Eall Stree Journal.  But spend 15 minutes on Twitter or Instagram or TikTok and the absolute worst of society is rampant. Thats where the problem lies.

Edited September 12, 2025 by dwy000

[Eldad]

11 minutes ago, Parsad said:

 

So you are saying that the MSM is more reliable than the President of the United States in terms of what people hear and consume?  C'mon Greg, you're way smarter than that.  If anything they are equally followed and equally influential.  Cheers!

Trump is the worst. Unfortunately it’s a TINA situation. That being said, I have yet to see Trump pull a stunt like Biden’s Nurembergesque “MAGA/white supremacy is coming for you all” production. 

 

[Gregmal]

Just now, dwy000 said:

While the NYT is biased in its opinions it is still the gold standard on factual news.  The issue isnt even close to being the MSM, its social media where extremism flourishes.  I do think think anyone's been radicalized to murder by the NY Times or Eall Stree Journal.  But spend 15 minutes on Twitter or Instagram or TikTok and the absolute worst of society is rampant. Thats where the problem lies.

That makes sense. This was seemingly a pretty normally raised kid in terms of the boxes being checked. Clearly got brainwashed, spent to much time in his echos chambers, didnt get laid, got bitter about being a loser, fed his rage...ruined his life. Kids gotta get out and see/enjoy the world, and stay off the devices.

[Parsad]

17 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

Im saying they "should be". The medias job should be to report the news. The news should be fairly factual. Instead the media has become just as if not more egregious than the politicians. At least politicians...no one should be taking seriously. 

 

Politicians in general...but the President, Prime Minister...what they say should be factual as well.  And if it wasn't taken seriously, why would there be a big outcry on what Trump or Obama do?  Cheers!