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[73 Reds]

5 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

And diverting, denying and obfuscating won't make the issue go away.  It only makes him look more and more guilty because what's he trying to hide?

 

I get arguments and disagreements on policies and issues but surely connections with a convicted pedophile should be something that everyone can agree should be made public regardless of who gets implicated (from both parties or public life).  

What part of live witness - and participant - testimony do you have a problem with?  Anything in writing without identification, authenticity, time, place, author etc... can be widely misinterpreted and taken entirely out of context.   

[Gregmal]

11 minutes ago, 73 Reds said:

Anything in writing without identification, authenticity, time, place, author etc... can be widely misinterpreted and taken entirely out of context.   

Nah, the lemmings are above that....LMFAO

[dwy000]

2 minutes ago, 73 Reds said:

What part of live witness - and participant - testimony do you have a problem with?  Anything in writing without identification, authenticity, time, place, author etc... can be widely misinterpreted and taken entirely out of context.   

I have no problem with live witnesses.  Although a couple of the relevant parties have committed suicide since Epstein's arrest so their testimony wouldn't be available.  I also have no problem with documents, photos, videos, statements or any other type of information that might be there that is obviously scaring the crap out of people with it's release.  

 

Yes things can be misinterpreted, just like minutes from videos can be doctored (as in the DOJ's jail video release).  But that's not an excuse to not release.  

 

This is a convicted pedophile not a shoplifter.  That's about as lowlife as it comes.  The longer this drags on and the harder they try to avoid releasing the files the guiltier he looks.

[changegonnacome]

Who's gonna pay the tariffs on Japanese autos.......I wonder what the market says.......cause it aint Toyota, back to Jan 1, 2025 mkt cap.....if Toyota isn't paying the tariff.....I wonder who is....

 

[73 Reds]

8 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

I have no problem with live witnesses.  Although a couple of the relevant parties have committed suicide since Epstein's arrest so their testimony wouldn't be available.  I also have no problem with documents, photos, videos, statements or any other type of information that might be there that is obviously scaring the crap out of people with it's release.  

 

Yes things can be misinterpreted, just like minutes from videos can be doctored (as in the DOJ's jail video release).  But that's not an excuse to not release.  

 

This is a convicted pedophile not a shoplifter.  That's about as lowlife as it comes.  The longer this drags on and the harder they try to avoid releasing the files the guiltier he looks.

We agree on something - he was the lowest of lowlifes.  But releasing hordes of documents, files, videos, etc.. into the public realm without the least bit of further consideration was never going to happen.  Everyone with an ax to grind will use it there for their own, illicit purposes.  There is entirely no benefit whatsoever.  This doesn't mean that the truth should not be investigated and come out.  But there is a right way to do it and a lot of wrong ways.  Releasing items maintained by a pedophile just to satisfy folks like you with morbid curiosity or even worse motives is foolhardy.

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[dwy000]

7 minutes ago, 73 Reds said:

We agree on something - he was the lowest of lowlifes.  But releasing hordes of documents, files, videos, etc.. into the public realm without the least bit of further consideration was never going to happen.  Everyone with an ax to grind will use it there for their own, illicit purposes.  There is entirely no benefit whatsoever.  This doesn't mean that the truth should not be investigated and come out.  But there is a right way to do it and a lot of wrong ways.  Releasing items maintained by a pedophile just to satisfy folks like you with morbid curiosity or even worse motives is foolhardy.

There is absolutely a benefit!!!!  Understanding the connection between our President (and others) with a convicted pedophile is extremely important. Hiding it and saying "nothing to see here" or "no good will come of it" is absolutely wrong. 

 

And for someone who campaigned on total transparency and the release of these files, it is doubly telling.  To choose the shit show going on right now over transparency says there is something even worse for him if they're released. 

[Castanza]

1 hour ago, dealraker said:

I withdrew my charity donation, hired the socially correct all-look-like-me crew (although I didn't check their legal status), "walked the walk" down to the waterfront (or whatever the hell I was supposed to do because I sure as hell don't know)...

...so now am I on terms of 'Standard American' enough to discuss it with you Castanza?

 

What if I go live in mom's basement- then storm the Capitol?  Does that help my standing?

 

LOL Charlie wtf are you babbling about? You literally make no sense and sound senile....Maybe go check your pill box to make sure you took the correct ones this morning. 

[TwoCitiesCapital]

1 hour ago, dwy000 said:

There is absolutely a benefit!!!!  Understanding the connection between our President (and others) with a convicted pedophile is extremely important. Hiding it and saying "nothing to see here" or "no good will come of it" is absolutely wrong. 

 

And for someone who campaigned on total transparency and the release of these files, it is doubly telling.  To choose the shit show going on right now over transparency says there is something even worse for him if they're released. 

 

The party of law and order is less hard on enforcing it within their own members than Trump was when discussing his teenage daughter. 

[SharperDingaan]

2 hours ago, TwoCitiesCapital said:

Just agree to whatever, drag out the negotiations putting as little effort into them as possible, and then drop them when the next administration comes in. 

 

Never let a a good opportunity go to waste! We can now routinely do incredible things .... that would never have been possible without Orange Boy's presence   https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-algoma-steel-tariff-relief-ottawa-trade-war/

 

SD

 

 

 

 

 

 

[73 Reds]

2 hours ago, dwy000 said:

There is absolutely a benefit!!!!  Understanding the connection between our President (and others) with a convicted pedophile is extremely important. Hiding it and saying "nothing to see here" or "no good will come of it" is absolutely wrong. 

 

And for someone who campaigned on total transparency and the release of these files, it is doubly telling.  To choose the shit show going on right now over transparency says there is something even worse for him if they're released. 

On an investment board where one would think risk/reward and cost/benefit are readily understandable concepts, there are those who haven't a clue.

[Parsad]

7 hours ago, dwy000 said:

The files that Bondi said were sitting on her desk.  The files that Trump promised many times to release.  The files that Trump has been working so hard to avoid releasing.

 

But instead of guessing exactly what's there, just release them as promised. If there's nothing negative in there for Trump, release them and lets move past the pedophile relationship.  Why not do exactly as he promised many times?  Its amazing to watch koolaiders move from "release the files" to twisting around trying to make excuses why its okay not to now.

 

Apparently, these files don't exist now...probably Obama and Biden's fault!  Also, you have one of the primary conspirators still sitting in prison...cut her a deal to provide all of the information on Epstein, his organization and all of the clients.  Cheers!

[Parsad]

5 hours ago, 73 Reds said:

Perhaps the best reason not to release anything is that nothing good will come of it.  

 

How is that even possible?  If powerful people are going after media outlets because of their commentary, then isn't it equally important to know which powerful people (both sides of the aisle) are criminally hypocritical of behavior that they publicly decry?  Why would any citizen want to support a candidate if they knew what they were doing secretly with young people...why would you want tax dollars paying their salary and benefits...why would you want to put them in a position of power?  Cheers!

[Parsad]

4 hours ago, changegonnacome said:

 

Meanwhile...Trump says drug prices are coming down 1000%! I can't wait....they are going to pay me to take my medicine.

 

Maybe they don't teach math at Wharton!  Cheers!

[73 Reds]

2 minutes ago, Parsad said:

 

How is that even possible?  If powerful people are going after media outlets because of their commentary, then isn't it equally important to know which powerful people (both sides of the aisle) are criminally hypocritical of behavior that they publicly decry?  Why would any citizen want to support a candidate if they knew what they were doing secretly with young people...why would you want tax dollars paying their salary and benefits...why would you want to put them in a position of power?  Cheers!

Sanjeev, did you read the full back and forth?  We don't even know what is there.  "The files" refers largely to investigative files from what I have read, not anything Epstein created or had in his possession.  Any assumptions that Epstein kept a list or recordings for purposes of dirt on others is just that - pure speculation.  So you have to weigh the benefit of releasing whatever happens to be there with the risk that what you have is not authentic, real, accurate, or properly identifiable.  You had it right the first time - get testimony from G. Maxwell and her victims outside of the public eye and if people need to be prosecuted based on sworn testimony, have at it.  Use any recordings or documentation that can be properly verified but don't dump it on the public and assume anyone will read and accept it the same way you or I would - they won't.

[changegonnacome]

15 minutes ago, Parsad said:

Maybe they don't teach math at Wharton!  Cheers!

 

Well he's in full beast mode at the moment trying to deflect with all he's got so math has gone out the door with reason....its about throwing meat to the conspiracy core  to see if they can flood the zone with shit......Obama treason & sedition ....and see JFK Jnr. out now helping the cause with conspiracies about hospitals working to steal the organs of live patients while they we're still fighting for their life. https://www.axios.com/2025/07/22/rfk-jr-organ-donations-premature-removal

 

The core Epstein MAGA group eat all this stuff up.....its targeted so directly at them to shut them up its scarily obvious.....I'm very surprised we aren't get new unclassified documents on the existence of ALIENS & UFOS this week...but it is only Wednesday I guess....there's still time for E.T. to change the narrative!

 

Edited July 23, 2025 by changegonnacome

[73 Reds]

3 minutes ago, changegonnacome said:

 

Well he's in full beast mode at the moment trying to deflect with all he's got so math has gone out the door with reason....its about throwing meat to the conspiracy core  to see if they can flood the zone with shit......Obama treason & sedition ....and see JFK Jnr. out now helping the cause with conspiracies about hospitals working to steal the organs of live patients while they we're still fighting for their life. https://www.axios.com/2025/07/22/rfk-jr-organ-donations-premature-removal

 

The core Epstein MAGA group eat all this stuff up.....its targeted so directly at them to shut them up its scarily obvious.....I'm very surprised we aren't get new unclassified documents on the existence of ALIENS & UFOS this week...but it is only Wednesday I guess....there's still time for E.T. to change the narrative!

 

So asking Judges to release grand jury transcripts from Epstein's sex trafficking charges doesn't count toward transparency?  I see, you only want what you want, when you want it and in the form you want it.  Nice.

[cubsfan]

13 minutes ago, changegonnacome said:

 

Well he's in full beast mode at the moment trying to deflect 

 

 

That's exactly backwards!  The Dems are getting crushed so badly, that Epstein is the only thing they have got. 

 

It's so funny to watch, the more Trump kicks ass, the more the Dems melt down.

 

Teflon Don !  - - Keep the "scandals" coming

[dealraker]

1 hour ago, cubsfan said:

 

That's exactly backwards!  The Dems are getting crushed so badly, that Epstein is the only thing they have got. 

 

It's so funny to watch, the more Trump kicks ass, the more the Dems melt down.

 

Teflon Don !  - - Keep the "scandals" coming

I don't agree with Cubs much but the last sentence is one I've believed for about 50 years but have a hard time getting non-Trumpers to understand.  Nothing sticks to Donnie J, never has and won't in his lifetime.

 

The good news is that anyone who tries to live and act like Trump - and many will try - after he's gone won't succeed.

 

Cubs and others have always thought that all of us non Trumpers consistently think something is going to bring him down.  I have never, not once, believed any of that.  "Teflon Trump" is the name all of my family uses and has for decades.

 

What destroys others careers makes Trump's more powerful.  It has ALWAYS been this way and ALWAYS will!  Call it cult or whatever, but people will go to bat for this man even if it ruins their lives.

 

One of the things that I do think though is that after Trump is gone ("gone" in this case basically means out of power- and that may not come until death) there will be those that come before the law and get consequences.  It is best, if you are a Trump soldier, that you think clearly about your status realistically and not think it is related to his- because I assure you it is not.

[cubsfan]

^^^  You're entitled to your opinion.

 

Trump is changing the country dramatically and at lightning speed - so many good things have been accomplished in 6 months.

 

Of course, Trump is a flawed individual, like so many other great leaders unfortunately.  He's far from perfect, but as a leader - truly amazing.

Strong leaders are rarely loved as they disrupt the status quo and complacency of the embedded leadership. And this is a country that needs serious change.

 

I love the continued negative narrative, this after his historic efforts in the Middle East, the immeadiate shutdown of the southern border, and leading the US economy into an economic boom. Those 3 accomplishments alone (just in a few months) will mark his Presidency as a great one.

 

The country is so much better off not listening to the "experts" , but letting Trump do what the American people elected him to do - fix the country.

 

All the experts and nay-sayers are just reeling... like they were punched by Mike Tyson. They look like fools.

[dwy000]

3 hours ago, 73 Reds said:

So asking Judges to release grand jury transcripts from Epstein's sex trafficking charges doesn't count toward transparency?  I see, you only want what you want, when you want it and in the form you want it.  Nice.

Asking judges to release transcripts was another deflection at best.  He knows that judges would rarely if ever allow it so it looks like he's being transparent with very little risk.  And even if the transcripts were permitted they were only going to release "pertinent" sections (as determined by Trump and his puppet Bondi).

 

The files would already include testimony from Maxwell and other victims.  That's why Maxwell is sitting in a jail cell.  Speculating on whats in the evidence and files to argue whether they should be released is a circular argument.  The entire point of releasing them is because we don't know whats in them.  But we know that Trump desperately wants to avoid them being released!!  And that's despite repeatedly promising to do so and running on a campaign of transparency.  

 

What could possibly be in there that Trump sees the current situation as much preferable?

 

[dwy000]

2 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

^^^  You're entitled to your opinion.

 

Trump is changing the country dramatically and at lightning speed - so many good things have been accomplished in 6 months.

 

Of course, Trump is a flawed individual, like so many other great leaders unfortunately.  He's far from perfect, but as a leader - truly amazing.

Strong leaders are rarely loved as they disrupt the status quo and complacency of the embedded leadership. And this is a country that needs serious change.

 

I love the continued negative narrative, this after his historic efforts in the Middle East, the immeadiate shutdown of the southern border, and leading the US economy into an economic boom. Those 3 accomplishments alone (just in a few months) will mark his Presidency as a great one.

 

The country is so much better off not listening to the "experts" , but letting Trump do what the American people elected him to do - fix the country.

 

All the experts and nay-sayers are just reeling... like they were punched by Mike Tyson. They look like fools.

The man has the lowest approval rating in the history of the presidency.  He's underwater on immigration (!!!!), economy, tariffs, etc. etc.  And these include the republican pollsters too.  The only ones who think hes doing a great job are people who are deep into the koolaid and live on Fox News.  

[cubsfan]

9 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

The man has the lowest approval rating in the history of the presidency.  He's underwater on immigration (!!!!), economy, tariffs, etc. etc.  And these include the republican pollsters too.  The only ones who think hes doing a great job are people who are deep into the koolaid and live on Fox News.  

 

Now I know you are lying. Never forget..... "the walls are closing in"

[Spekulatius]

11 hours ago, changegonnacome said:

 

Its funny to watch Trump impale himself on this issue.....he chose the wrong strategy......there is political pain for him in Epstein files no doubt.....but he's made it 100x worse for himself by trying to keep it hid from view likes this.....those files are coming out now by hook or by crook.....and as I say he's made the potlical price to be paid much worse than it otherwise would have been.

 

Trump is not a paedo....and I dont believe for a second that the Epstein files indicates any definitive wrongdoing by the President in the past.....but what they do show from recent reporting.....is Epstein wasn't just an acquaintance of Donald in 80's & 90's as he'd like you to believe.....Epstein and Trump we're very very very good friends......many who knew both men at the time have indicated that they we're for this period what some might call chidlishly 'best' friends.....the Epstein files will likely show a pattern of communication & meetings in this period that confirms what many observers from that period have said publicly that they we're bros....the hung out together alot.....they had the same interests - money & women.....and that isnt a crime.....but it is politically toxic...and most especially now that he has spent weeks trying to re-direct MAGAS attention to other things....most recently Obama treason etc.......when this info comes out it will accelerate the Trump lame duck timeline where the GOP and those within it start thinking about the post-Trump era and who will replace him at the top of the party.

 

Nope the walls aren't coming, he wont be leaving office in a couple of months time.......but his agenda, the almost total control over the GOP he exerted in H1 2025 looks to me like 'peak' Donald.....it was always going to be so.....the Epstein stuff has just slammed on the accelerator of the politically inevitable....the decay of Trump's power and influence.....dont get me wrong...sub Donald for any President with the same dynamics....two term, 80yrs old and not doing well in the polls....Trump at times has looked immune to political gravity....but he's not going to dodge the bullet which is becoming yesterday's man quicker than he would like.

 

Totally agree. I think the Epstein files would be a nothing burger for him if he released them. He got away with way worse stuff politically anyways. A body letter for Epstein birthday? Who cares?

 

I The files itself probably just contains more lose ends could be a problem but those likely get lost in the shadows anyways. I think the hilarious thing is how much Bondi/Trump/Patel hyped them up and then nothing…

Edited July 24, 2025 by Spekulatius

[SharperDingaan]

3 hours ago, dealraker said:

I don't agree with Cubs much but the last sentence is one I've believed for about 50 years but have a hard time getting non-Trumpers to understand.  Nothing sticks to Donnie J, never has and won't in his lifetime.

 

The good news is that anyone who tries to live and act like Trump - and many will try - after he's gone won't succeed.

 

Cubs and others have always thought that all of us non Trumpers consistently think something is going to bring him down.  I have never, not once, believed any of that.  "Teflon Trump" is the name all of my family uses and has for decades.

 

What destroys others careers makes Trump's more powerful.  It has ALWAYS been this way and ALWAYS will!  Call it cult or whatever, but people will go to bat for this man even if it ruins their lives.

 

One of the things that I do think though is that after Trump is gone ("gone" in this case basically means out of power- and that may not come until death) there will be those that come before the law and get consequences.  It is best, if you are a Trump soldier, that you think clearly about your status realistically and not think it is related to his- because I assure you it is not.

 

The US has a long history of assassinations as a way of levelling the playing field; and everybody from a JFK/Reagan  through to a Martin Luther and various other civil rights activists. Mid-terms are coming up, and those with absolute power typically don't like to give it up. Trump becomes a martyr, and everything changes overnight.

 

SD 

[TwoCitiesCapital]

2 hours ago, dwy000 said:

Asking judges to release transcripts was another deflection at best.  He knows that judges would rarely if ever allow it so it looks like he's being transparent with very little risk.  And even if the transcripts were permitted they were only going to release "pertinent" sections (as determined by Trump and his puppet Bondi).

 

 

He's publicly called for their release while privately leaning on Republican leadership to defer the vote to 3 months from now when he hopes everyone will forget that he was involved with a child trafficker. 

 

2 hours ago, Spekulatius said:

Totally agree. I think the Epstein files would be a nothing burger for him if he released them. 

 

I tend to disagree. No way Epstein amassed the connections and wealth he did without implicating some of the biggest names. My guess is that it isn't going to make either party look good and that major party donors, affiliates, and perhaps politicians from each side are named. Is why Epstein didn't survive and why no trial was ever going to be held and why no list will be released by EITHER party. 

 

But Donny wanted political points for calling Democrats pedophiles and pretending he cared about child safety. So here we are...the unofficial leader of the evangelical church refusing to condemn child molesters because he likes to rub shoulders with them...

 

2 hours ago, Spekulatius said:

I think the hilarious thing is how much Bondi/Trump/Patel hyped them up and then nothing…

 

+1 

 

Definitely a major miscalculation on this point. I guess he didn't realize that his followers' cognitive dissonance on electing a sexual predator and serial adulterer didn't mean that they didn't care about protecting children and family values.