dwy000 Posted January 9 Posted January 9 23 minutes ago, Gregmal said: And it doesnt. Life's pretty good. But if you notice.....the stats on the top posters in this thread are easy to see. I kinda just enjoy seeing you guys have seizures over the daily drama, repeatedly. How many times will they fall for it? I dunno....but keep it coming! Geez youre even looking up the stats???? So much for get a life, huh?
ICUMD Posted January 9 Posted January 9 1 hour ago, dwy000 said: I suspect that's right but how? How does taking out Maduro and having his regime still in place give the US control of their oil reserves? Especially when Rubio and Trump cant seem to agree on next steps. They will install a US friendly regime. Infact, they called off their threat of a second incursion into Venezuela to bring them to the diplomatic table. Trump will also extract with oil, every dollar they invest in Venezuela to develop their reserves. The second game plan is that by controlling the oil reserves, they preserve the USD as the petro dollar. This was being threatened by Maduro. If USD ceases to be the petro dollar, there is significant risk of USD debasement due to high debt. China being the only possible deep pocketed buyer of US treasuries. Like Trump or not, invading Venezuela was a masterful powerplay. Legalities and morality aside. The issue I have is the fact that he's sowing seeds of racism, distrust and blatently lying. He divides people. Also, he's enriching himself and the wealthy around him at the expense of the poor. OTOH, it is remarkable what he's accomplished. A ruthless businessman to the core.
dwy000 Posted January 9 Posted January 9 1 minute ago, ICUMD said: They will install a US friendly regime. Infact, they called off their threat of a second incursion into Venezuela to bring them to the diplomatic table. Trump will also extract with oil, every dollar they invest in Venezuela to develop their reserves. The second game plan is that by controlling the oil reserves, they preserve the USD as the petro dollar. This was being threatened by Maduro. If USD ceases to be the petro dollar, there is significant risk of USD debasement due to high debt. China being the only possible deep pocketed buyer of US treasuries. Like Trump or not, invading Venezuela was a masterful powerplay. Legalities and morality aside. The issue I have is the fact that he's sowing seeds of racism, distrust and blatently lying. He divides people. Also, he's enriching himself and the wealthy around him at the expense of the poor. OTOH, it is remarkable what he's accomplished. A ruthless businessman to the core. This is all assumption. The administration has never laid out a plan (just random tweets) or a rationale. Venezuela hasn't supported any of this and the oil majors are saying they wont spend money there (even if supported by VZ) without US guarantees. While I dont argue that this may be Trumps goal in his mind, the reality of it is all being guessed at by everyone else
Gregmal Posted January 9 Posted January 9 14 minutes ago, dwy000 said: Geez youre even looking up the stats???? So much for get a life, huh? They’re…..immediately to the right when you open the thread..LMFAO Bbbbbut we trusted him!!!!!!
Gregmal Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Everyone’s telling this guy his fly is down and he’s screaming about mind reader shit and all offended that “this time” Trump didn’t brief him on a military operation ahead of time! Friday fun!
Gregmal Posted January 9 Posted January 9 17 minutes ago, dwy000 said: The administration has never laid out a plan Yup....they haven't given me the goods.....
ICUMD Posted January 9 Posted January 9 19 minutes ago, dwy000 said: This is all assumption. The administration has never laid out a plan (just random tweets) or a rationale. Venezuela hasn't supported any of this and the oil majors are saying they wont spend money there (even if supported by VZ) without US guarantees. While I dont argue that this may be Trumps goal in his mind, the reality of it is all being guessed at by everyone else I agree with you. Also waiting for Trump to provide rational rationale in any of his speeches. (Plenty of irrational rationale though!)
Eng12345 Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Europeans lecturing Americans on colonialism is rich. Also pretty fascinating to watch what has happened to Russia's sphere of influence over the last several years. Re Syria, Venezuela/Maduro, Iran possibly capitulating etc Geopolitics is so fascinating, but the truth is none of us get even a glimmer into what's actually happening until decades past.
dwy000 Posted January 9 Posted January 9 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Gregmal said: Everyone’s telling this guy his fly is down and he’s screaming about mind reader shit and all offended that “this time” Trump didn’t brief him on a military operation ahead of time! Friday fun! Point to me one time I ever said that the public needed to be briefed ahead of time. Edited January 9 by dwy000
dwy000 Posted January 9 Posted January 9 14 minutes ago, Gregmal said: Yup....they haven't given me the goods..... Republicans and the US congress is claiming this, not me. Why do you think the Senate felt the need to take action?
Luke Posted January 9 Posted January 9 45 minutes ago, ICUMD said: They will install a US friendly regime. Infact, they called off their threat of a second incursion into Venezuela to bring them to the diplomatic table. Trump will also extract with oil, every dollar they invest in Venezuela to develop their reserves. The second game plan is that by controlling the oil reserves, they preserve the USD as the petro dollar. This was being threatened by Maduro. If USD ceases to be the petro dollar, there is significant risk of USD debasement due to high debt. China being the only possible deep pocketed buyer of US treasuries. Like Trump or not, invading Venezuela was a masterful powerplay. Legalities and morality aside. The issue I have is the fact that he's sowing seeds of racism, distrust and blatently lying. He divides people. Also, he's enriching himself and the wealthy around him at the expense of the poor. OTOH, it is remarkable what he's accomplished. A ruthless businessman to the core. Posted by Micheal Burry just now.
Spooky Posted January 9 Posted January 9 2 hours ago, ICUMD said: The second game plan is that by controlling the oil reserves, they preserve the USD as the petro dollar. This was being threatened by Maduro. If USD ceases to be the petro dollar, there is significant risk of USD debasement due to high debt. China being the only possible deep pocketed buyer of US treasuries. Agreed that this is likely a motivation for the intervention in VZ. Maintaining the petrodollar system creates demand for USD
Spooky Posted January 9 Posted January 9 2 hours ago, ICUMD said: The issue I have is the fact that he's sowing seeds of racism, distrust and blatently lying. He divides people. Also, he's enriching himself and the wealthy around him at the expense of the poor. Also agree.
SharperDingaan Posted January 9 Posted January 9 (edited) It is pretty clear that to the US, the best defence is a good offence. Interdict at foreign borders, not US ones; do anything in our sphere that we don't approve of, and you're erased .... no matter where in the world, and under whose protection you are under. Old school security. It is also pretty clear that to the US, both Canada and Mexico will be part of Fortress North America; operationally not much different to the EU ... but the intercontinental missiles and economic migrants stop at the Canada and Mexico borders, not the US one. It is also clear that Greenland is part of that northern defence; mechanics to be negotiated. Threats used to both materially increase the NATO defence of the north, and distract over regime changes in both the Middle East and South America. NATO 2.0, or NATO 1.1 along with a material increase in arctic defence spend; choose. Invest in repair/upgrade of the infrastructure; and VZ (under pressure) will give you back your expropriated assets, for use as collateral to finance a borrow from VZ banks. Book upfront impairment reversals, make everyone rich, and drill for the cost of interest on the loans ... the USD 50 oil. Should the assets subsequently be seized, both the VZ assets and VZ debt are written off, and you're none the worse off. Ongoing revolution, made a lot less profitable. Not the polite way of doing things, but neither is Trump; change ain't a bad thing. Interesting times. SD Edited January 10 by SharperDingaan
Spooky Posted January 9 Posted January 9 No Shit “Chevron —the only U.S. oil company active there—Exxon Mobil, ConocoPhillips and other companies signaled a willingness to examine new prospects in the Latin American country. However, they indicated they need security guarantees and an overhaul of Venezuela’s legal and commercial framework to consider diving in.”
SharperDingaan Posted January 9 Posted January 9 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Spooky said: However, they indicated they need security guarantees and an overhaul of Venezuela’s legal and commercial framework to consider diving in.” No way anyone does this, unless the VZ banks finance the whole thing against returned expropriated assets. Thereafter, sites are protected via either the military or a payment to a local 'roof', and a US guarantee to remove bad actors. VZ can seize the assets/debt anytime, but if there ain't no crude deliveries unless the US allows it, it's pointless; the mechanics of 'we control the oil'. SD Edited January 9 by SharperDingaan
Spekulatius Posted January 10 Posted January 10 8 hours ago, SharperDingaan said: Oil Prices Rise as Protests in Iran Escalate https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Oil-Prices-Rise-as-Protests-in-Iran-Escalate.html On Friday, oil was supported by escalating protests in Iran and President Donald Trump’s comments late on Thursday that Iran’s leader, Ayatollah Ali Khomenei, was planning on fleeing the country following the protests in the OPEC producer demanding a change in regime. The Ayatollah is “looking to go someplace”, President Trump told reporters. Maybe sometime later this evening, EST, he gets a helping hand. SD If the regime in Iran falls, it’s actually not bullish for crude at all, except in the very short term.
Parsad Posted January 10 Posted January 10 12 hours ago, 73 Reds said: Perfect. Did it occur to anyone that that is precisely the way he wants outsiders to think of him? Falling right in line with the agenda. Actually, he wants everyone to love and praise him. I don't think he even realizes he's being an asshole. Do you think the FIFA Peace Prize was created to antagonize him or please him? He's won the last two big tournaments at Mar-a-Lago...you don't think that sounds like "Kim Jong Un's eleven hole in ones"? Or the masculine, strongman image Putin likes to portray...where his subjects pretend to let him throw them around in Judo. These guys love bullshit praise...ass-kissing...cult-status...subjugation...they live for this stuff! I will beat you around the head with a stick, but you will love me...whether you like it or not...especially when I grab you by the pussy! Because you know...you will always be my bitch! Cheers!
changegonnacome Posted January 10 Posted January 10 The oil majors would be insane to step into VZ.....Captain Chaos has what? 33 months left....you'd barely have gotten delivery of your new shiny VZ equipment when the rug could get pulled by the new US administration to say nothing about the Maduro regime (still in place with a new figure head) waiting for their chance to stick one to the imperialists & neo-colonists i.e. us. Another example of Trump's simplistic mental model ("I can run VZ via telephone & take their oil") getting slammed by the real world and all its beautiful complexity. He's simple man, with simplistic ideas. Its why its important to have Kristi Noem and Pete around you need somebody dumber than you at that cabinet table.
Parsad Posted January 10 Posted January 10 8 hours ago, Gregmal said: Honestly I always thought all the people whom traded it like degenerates were idiots anyway. Whether it’s reliable or not, it’s one stupid, delayed, flawed in terms of its accuracy even when best efforts are made, data point. Why anyone EVER gave a shit is beyond me. If anything, the private sector compiled data is way better; if obsessing over that sorta stuff was your fixation. True that! Never paid attention to it. But that being said, while the truth was probably skewed in the past, it's credibility now is at rock-bottom. Can't trust the stats coming out of government...can't trust the people in charge of science and medicine...can't trust the legal system (courts aren't obeyed anyways now)...can't rely on quality education funding...can't rely on government services being around...kind of sounds like a conspirator's mad hatter party now. The shoes on the other foot! Cheers!
dwy000 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 Never in my life did I think I would hear a Republican President calling for a cap on credit card interest rates! This is literally an AOC proposal.
Parsad Posted January 10 Posted January 10 12 hours ago, dealraker said: Poor Parsad, he's a stable, mentally strong/smart and healthy, and logical human being. Trump complete dominance and popularity makes no sense to him. Anyway, the market is going up. Who gives a shit what Trump does! Deal, I was stable for most of my life. Now, I've been destabilized like much of the world hierarchy! These days I feel like Colombia...I have lots of coke and coffee...but somehow just feel unloved! Cheers!
Parsad Posted January 10 Posted January 10 7 hours ago, Gregmal said: Indeed it is, the kind of crazy shit Trump can make you guys do. Next you’ll be defending running over law enforcement agents with cars…..Oops Frankly, I think both were at fault...why did she drive away...she knew who they were and she parked her car right in between two other vehicles. At the same time, he wasn't in any real danger...he didn't have to shoot...but perhaps he thought she was going to run into him or others. Kind of think two people did two very stupid things without thinking of the consequences. Sounds about right in this world! Cheers!
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