Gregmal Posted January 10 Posted January 10 5 minutes ago, Parsad said: True that! Never paid attention to it. But that being said, while the truth was probably skewed in the past, it's credibility now is at rock-bottom. Can't trust the stats coming out of government...can't trust the people in charge of science and medicine...can't trust the legal system (courts aren't obeyed anyways now)...can't rely on quality education funding...can't rely on government services being around...kind of sounds like a conspirator's mad hatter party now. The shoes on the other foot! Cheers! Every man for himself? Sink or swim on our own? Thats pretty darn sexy to me. Some thrive in chaos, others seize up.
Parsad Posted January 10 Posted January 10 6 hours ago, 73 Reds said: So you just disproved your own point that Trump is a dictator. Well done. I think dwy000 meant dic-taster! Cheers!
Gregmal Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Parsad said: Frankly, I think both were at fault...why did she drive away...she knew who they were and she parked her car right in between two other vehicles. At the same time, he wasn't in any real danger...he didn't have to shoot...but perhaps he thought she was going to run into him or others. Kind of think two people did two very stupid things without thinking of the consequences. Sounds about right in this world! Cheers! I think if we stick to the facts, it was tragic, but a symptom of the times. What we know for sure; we have the video, is she disobeyed law enforcement orders, and drove at an officer, hitting him(assault is the technical legal term). We have a media report that she was part of an anti ICE resistance group. Its a media report, take it with a grain of salt. We have on video, her lover wailing about how "it was my fault, I made her come here"(fact). We also have the video again, to use some logic and reasoning. Ive gone out with my spouse many times. But when would one of us ever be driving around or in a vehicle while the other one is just walking around a residential neighborhood? especially when theres a massive law enforcement presence? No friggin idea. Maybe if parking is tight and one of us is walking to a friend's home while the other looks for a spot??? But that still doesnt explain why we'd be around a law enforcement operation. So that makes zero sense. Unless, you also see the other videos now coming out where the lover was aggressively antagonizing ICE agents...so again, lets put two and two together and what you had was (rumor) an anti ICE couple, out deliberately looking for trouble(likely), one loitering around an active ICE scene(fact) while the other happened to be getting in their way with a car(fact), the assault of an officer(fact), a lethal shooting(fact), and the girls lover admitting "this is my fault"(fact).... So really it's tragic. It's honestly another case of TDS becoming lethal. End of the day, same as if you go to a bar looking for a fight you're likely to find one....you go to an active law enforcement investigation looking for trouble, you're likely to find it, and unfortunately here, thats what happened. It's not the officers fault. It's definitely to a large degree, the fault of the two women who went there looking for a fight. They definitely did not deserve to die, but you mix volatile ingredients and bad shit can and often does happen. Better to just let this shit go and.....drumroll......stop all the mouth foaming. Edited January 10 by Gregmal
Parsad Posted January 10 Posted January 10 35 minutes ago, Gregmal said: I think if we stick to the facts, it was tragic, but a symptom of the times. What we know for sure; we have the video, is she disobeyed law enforcement orders, and drove at an officer, hitting him(assault is the technical legal term). We have a media report that she was part of an anti ICE resistance group. Its a media report, take it with a grain of salt. We have on video, her lover wailing about how "it was my fault, I made her come here"(fact). We also have the video again, to use some logic and reasoning. Ive gone out with my spouse many times. But when would one of us ever be driving around or in a vehicle while the other one is just walking around a residential neighborhood? especially when theres a massive law enforcement presence? No friggin idea. Maybe if parking is tight and one of us is walking to a friend's home while the other looks for a spot??? But that still doesnt explain why we'd be around a law enforcement operation. So that makes zero sense. Unless, you also see the other videos now coming out where the lover was aggressively antagonizing ICE agents...so again, lets put two and two together and what you had was (rumor) an anti ICE couple, out deliberately looking for trouble(likely), one loitering around an active ICE scene(fact) while the other happened to be getting in their way with a car(fact), the assault of an officer(fact), a lethal shooting(fact), and the girls lover admitting "this is my fault"(fact).... So really it's tragic. It's honestly another case of TDS becoming lethal. End of the day, same as if you go to a bar looking for a fight you're likely to find one....you go to an active law enforcement investigation looking for trouble, you're likely to find it, and unfortunately here, thats what happened. It's not the officers fault. It's definitely to a large degree, the fault of the two women who went there looking for a fight. They definitely did not deserve to die, but you mix volatile ingredients and bad shit can and often does happen. Better to just let this shit go and.....drumroll......stop all the mouth foaming. I agree with most of that. They weren't just innocent bystanders...they were taping and provoking the ICE agent. At the same time, what you guys call TDS...well no President does shit like him...sending ICE into different states with no request from the Governors...sending ICE into schools, offices, daycares, neighborhoods, etc without any consideration of citizens, let alone aliens or illegals. We also know for a fact that the massive recruitment has put a ton of unqualified ICE agents into the field. There has been disregard for due process, lack of transparency on arrests and deportations, aggressive behavior with non-illegals even when not provoked, etc. It's easy to blame protestors or those that disagree...because it's easy to do! And then label their behavior so that you don't actually have to confront, understand and deal with what is happening from their perspective. A wife who gets beaten around, disrespected, called retard, piggy, grabbed by her pussy unexpectedly, and constantly berated as stupid, uneducated, fat...you can't just label it HDS (husband derangement syndrome)! Cheers!
cubsfan Posted January 10 Posted January 10 4 hours ago, SharperDingaan said: It is pretty clear that to the US, the best defence is a good offence. Interdict at foreign borders, not US ones; do anything in our sphere that we don't approve of, and you're erased .... no matter where in the world, and under whose protection you are under. Old school security. It is also pretty clear that to the US, both Canada and Mexico will be part of Fortress North America; operationally not much different to the EU ... but the intercontinental missiles and economic migrants stop at the Canada and Mexico borders, not the US one. It is also clear that Greenland is part of that northern defence; mechanics to be negotiated. Threats used to both materially increase the NATO defence of the north, and distract over regime changes in both the Middle East and South America. NATO 2.0, or NATO 1.0 along with a material increase in arctic defence spend; choose. Invest in repair/upgrade of the infrastructure; and VZ (under pressure) will give you back your expropriated assets, for use as collateral to finance a borrow from VZ banks. Book upfront impairment reversals, make everyone rich, and drill for the cost of interest on the loans ... the USD 50 oil. Should the assets subsequently be seized, both the VZ assets and VZ debt are written off, and you're none the worse off. Ongoing revolution, made a lot less profitable. Not the polite way of doing things, but neither is Trump; change ain't a bad thing. Interesting times. SD Not bad @SharperDingaan ! Fortress America!
dealraker Posted January 10 Posted January 10 10 hours ago, changegonnacome said: Trump is surely, and I mean SURELY, coming for insurance pricing. How in the world he's overlooked this populist bonanza is beyond me. A MAJOR popularity omission!
ICUMD Posted January 10 Posted January 10 Upcoming scheduling for 2026: 1. Change Greenland to Orangeland (or possibly Trumpland) Annexation to occur likely this year and probably in the next few months. 2. Canada - 51 state or more probably a territory. I think Trump will highly pressure Carney for this. Don't think he will use military force, but anything is possible these days.
73 Reds Posted January 10 Posted January 10 12 hours ago, Parsad said: Actually, he wants everyone to love and praise him. I don't think he even realizes he's being an asshole. Do you think the FIFA Peace Prize was created to antagonize him or please him? He's won the last two big tournaments at Mar-a-Lago...you don't think that sounds like "Kim Jong Un's eleven hole in ones"? Or the masculine, strongman image Putin likes to portray...where his subjects pretend to let him throw them around in Judo. These guys love bullshit praise...ass-kissing...cult-status...subjugation...they live for this stuff! I will beat you around the head with a stick, but you will love me...whether you like it or not...especially when I grab you by the pussy! Because you know...you will always be my bitch! Cheers! People focus far too much on character flaws. Who cares? Not as it we can create and elect the perfect leader. US citizens who hate him only have themselves to blame. Their own character flaws helped elect him.
73 Reds Posted January 10 Posted January 10 12 hours ago, dwy000 said: Never in my life did I think I would hear a Republican President calling for a cap on credit card interest rates! This is literally an AOC proposal. There is a reason we have usury laws.
John Hjorth Posted January 10 Posted January 10 51 minutes ago, ICUMD said: Upcoming scheduling for 2026: 1. Change Greenland to Orangeland (or possibly Trumpland) Annexation to occur likely this year and probably in the next few months. 2. Canada - 51 state or more probably a territory. I think Trump will highly pressure Carney for this. Don't think he will use military force, but anything is possible these days. Ref. @ICUMDs post above, Together with the Weekend edition of The Danish business newspaper Børsen, I received Friday morning in the physical mailbox a long awaited Danish edition The Economists 'World 2026', in Danish language, based on an exclusive license from The Economist to Børsen : Both were filled with stuff related to recent, current US/POTUS behavior, and to Russian-Ukainian war. - - - o 0 o - - - Then today,early - around 4:00 AM - I almost always notice hearing it, because I'm light sleeping most of the night - the newest edition of The Economist arrived in the physical mailbox : And it's basically the same, but plus some more. I'll settle this weekends reading on p.12, Letters : 'On the importance of Adam Smith, translating the Bible, cats, business hotels, Brigitte Bardot''. [<-] - - - o 0 o - - - It's nauseating, stomach-turning.
John D. Rockefeller Posted January 10 Posted January 10 @Gregmal Since you think it's alright that Renee Good was shot, I'm interested in whether you think that all rioters from Jan 6th should have been shot too? They not only defied police orders, but also threatened, harmed and even killed police officers.
SharperDingaan Posted January 10 Posted January 10 Canada and Mexico will remain sovereigns so that they can contribute to the cost of Fortress North America. As with EU zone domination via Germany and France, North America simply turns into a NA zone dominated by the US. NATO 1.1 becomes a joint defence shared by the EU and NA zones, with the EU zone paying more of the total cost .... as the load is spread over more contributing nations, and a larger total population. Pay per head, not via ability to pay. Or Europe can do NATO 2.0, which would cost more and doesn't really work for anyone. Of course, without the very real threat of a NATO breakup, there would be no NATO 2.0 .... and widespread reinvestment in defence. Doubtful it would ever have happened without Orange Boys threats. Shit on the carpet, to get the results required SD
cubsfan Posted January 10 Posted January 10 37 minutes ago, John D. Rockefeller said: @Gregmal Since you think it's alright that Renee Good was shot, I'm interested in whether you think that all rioters from Jan 6th should have been shot too? They not only defied police orders, but also threatened, harmed and even killed police officers. Of course that is a totally idiotic statement. No police officer was killed. The only "killing" on Jan 6 was an unarmed woman shot in the face for attempting to climb in a window. The only police officer that died - happened the day after on Jan 7th when he suffered a stroked. The other 2 fatalities were protestors. Get your facts straight.
John D. Rockefeller Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) 14 minutes ago, cubsfan said: Of course that is a totally idiotic statement. No police officer was killed. The only "killing" on Jan 6 was an unarmed woman shot in the face for attempting to climb in a window. The only police officer that died - happened the day after on Jan 7th when he suffered a stroked. The other 2 fatalities were protestors. Get your facts straight. Well, this government website says he died from being injured while engaging with protestors: https://www.uscp.gov/media-center/press-releases/loss-uscp-colleague-brian-d-sicknick Another source: https://www.npr.org/sections/insurrection-at-the-capitol/2021/01/07/954333542/police-confirm-death-of-officer-injured-during-attack-on-capitol I am not a lawyer, but I'd say if I stab someone and he dies the next day that's still murder. But for the sake of the argument it doesn't really matter. 140 police officers were injured: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/a-difficult-year-how-officers-who-defended-the-capitol-are-grappling-with-efforts-to-downplay-jan-6-violence So the argument is pretty much the same: The "unorderly" behavior from protestors that day was much more violent than anything Ms. Good did (whats the number of injured officers in that case?), so it must logically follow that police officers should have shot them in order to defend themselves? Edited January 10 by John D. Rockefeller
cubsfan Posted January 10 Posted January 10 4 minutes ago, John D. Rockefeller said: Well, this government website says he died from being injured while engaging with protestors: https://www.uscp.gov/media-center/press-releases/loss-uscp-colleague-brian-d-sicknick Another source: https://www.npr.org/sections/insurrection-at-the-capitol/2021/01/07/954333542/police-confirm-death-of-officer-injured-during-attack-on-capitol I am not a lawyer, but I'd say if I stab someone and he dies the next day that's still murder. But for the sake of the argument it doesn't really matter. 140 police officers were injured: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/a-difficult-year-how-officers-who-defended-the-capitol-are-grappling-with-efforts-to-downplay-jan-6-violence So the argument is pretty much the same: The "unorderly" behavior from protestors that day was much more violent than anything Ms. Good did (whats the number of injured officers in that case?), so it must logically follow that police officers should have shot them in order to defend themselves? Of course that's ridiculous, where is the protestor that was charged with "murder"? Everyone else was prosecuted. Who exactly was charged with murder?
DooDiligence Posted January 10 Posted January 10 5 minutes ago, John D. Rockefeller said: Well, this government website says he died from being injured while engaging with protestors: https://www.uscp.gov/media-center/press-releases/loss-uscp-colleague-brian-d-sicknick Another source: https://www.npr.org/sections/insurrection-at-the-capitol/2021/01/07/954333542/police-confirm-death-of-officer-injured-during-attack-on-capitol I am not a lawyer, but I'd say if I stab someone and he dies the next day that's still murder. But for the sake of the argument it doesn't really matter. 140 police officers were injured: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/a-difficult-year-how-officers-who-defended-the-capitol-are-grappling-with-efforts-to-downplay-jan-6-violence So the argument is pretty much the same: The "unorderly" behavior from protestors that day was much more violent than anything Ms. Good did (whats the number of injured officers in that case?), so it must logically follow that police officers should have shot them in order to defend themselves? You'll never convince the cult members with facts. They are only swayed by manipulating their emotions. Give them a new savior to worship and an imaginary foe.
Spekulatius Posted January 10 Posted January 10 14 hours ago, changegonnacome said: He has floated a similar thing prior to elections.
cubsfan Posted January 10 Posted January 10 1 minute ago, DooDiligence said: You'll never convince the cult members with facts. They are only swayed by manipulating their emotions. Give them a new savior to worship and an imaginary foe. And you'll never convince idiots of facts either. Show me your "facts" already.
John D. Rockefeller Posted January 10 Posted January 10 2 minutes ago, cubsfan said: Of course that's ridiculous, where is the protestor that was charged with "murder"? Everyone else was prosecuted. Who exactly was charged with murder? Okay, let's agree to disagree on that one. What's with the rest?
73 Reds Posted January 10 Posted January 10 1 hour ago, John D. Rockefeller said: @Gregmal Since you think it's alright that Renee Good was shot, I'm interested in whether you think that all rioters from Jan 6th should have been shot too? They not only defied police orders, but also threatened, harmed and even killed police officers. I'm not @Gregmal but how is it that you conclude from his post that he believes the shooting was alright? He wrote that the incident was tragic. Understanding why something happens and believing that it is OK are two distinctly different things. What exactly is your point?
cubsfan Posted January 10 Posted January 10 1 minute ago, John D. Rockefeller said: Okay, let's agree to disagree on that one. What's with the rest? The rest? 3 protestors died as a result of January 6th. 1 police officer died the next day from natural causes. What else do you want from your silly narrative?
Gregmal Posted January 10 Posted January 10 1 hour ago, John D. Rockefeller said: @Gregmal Since you think it's alright that Renee Good was shot, I'm interested in whether you think that all rioters from Jan 6th should have been shot too? They not only defied police orders, but also threatened, harmed and even killed police officers. Ashley Babbit? It’s the same exact thing. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
John D. Rockefeller Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Gregmal said: Ashley Babbit? It’s the same exact thing. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. 3 minutes ago, cubsfan said: The rest? 3 protestors died as a result of January 6th. 1 police officer died the next day from natural causes. What else do you want from your silly narrative? But these protestors were surely not the only ones injuring 140 police officers (and vandalizing). My question is if it would have been appropriate to also shoot all the protestors being violent. Edited January 10 by John D. Rockefeller
Gregmal Posted January 10 Posted January 10 1 minute ago, John D. Rockefeller said: But these protestors were surely not the only one injuring 140 police officers (and vandalizing). My question is if it would have been appropriate to also shoot all the protestors being violent. At both events people were raging because of political delusion. At both events people died unnecessarily. That’s all I’m concluding. What’s with the stupid theoreticals?
cubsfan Posted January 10 Posted January 10 1 minute ago, John D. Rockefeller said: But these protestors were surely not the only ones injuring 140 police officers (and vandalizing). My question is if it would have been appropriate to also shoot all the protestors being violent. You tell me. You take each case individually. How do you generalize about what happened to 140 police officers. Are we Iran, where we just mow them all down?
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