dwy000 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 2 hours ago, 73 Reds said: There is a reason we have usury laws. Yes, to deal with loan sharks and predatory loans. You cant possibly be supportive of this. Its the most socialist, left wing proposal to be pushed - i dont think even Bernie Sanders has tried this one (maybe! I dont know - AOC has). This would actually be shunning capitalist and republican principles simply because its being pushed by Trump.
73 Reds Posted January 10 Posted January 10 1 minute ago, dwy000 said: Yes, to deal with loan sharks and predatory loans. You cant possibly be supportive of this. Its the most socialist, left wing proposal to be pushed - i dont think even Bernie Sanders has tried this one (maybe! I dont know - AOC has). This would actually be shunning capitalist and republican principles simply because its being pushed by Trump. I support not charging usurious interest rates to people who are either ignorant, desperate or in financial straights. No one can withstand 20%+ interest rates for long and certainly not for consumer debt. Even as a hard money lender, I always suggest that borrowers try all other alternatives before coming to me.
dwy000 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 1 minute ago, 73 Reds said: I support not charging usurious interest rates to people who are either ignorant, desperate or in financial straights. No one can withstand 20%+ interest rates for long and certainly not for consumer debt. Even as a hard money lender, I always suggest that borrowers try all other alternatives before coming to me. This is one of the most competitive industries in the world. Your product is ubiquitous - money. The only differentiating factor is service and price (interest rate). And its easy to switch. If anyone could make money lending at 10% it would be in the market in a heartbeat. Are you actually supportive of this initiative?
John D. Rockefeller Posted January 10 Posted January 10 15 minutes ago, cubsfan said: You tell me. You take each case individually. How do you generalize about what happened to 140 police officers. Are we Iran, where we just mow them all down? Sure, let's go through a few of them individually: Would it have been appropriate to shoot: David Nicholas Dempsey: stomping on police officers' heads, using flagpoles and other objects to attack officers, and spraying bear spray into the gas mask of an officer Daniel Joseph "DJ" Rodriguez: shot Officer Michael Fanone, who had been dragged into the mob by another assailant and was lying face-down on the ground, twice with a stun gun held to his neck. Attacked other officers with a wooden pole Christopher Joseph Quaglin: choking and tackling officer Michael Fanone to the ground, attacking other officers with metal bike racks, stolen police shields, and pepper spray Thomas Webster: attacking an officer with a flagpole and tackling him Thomas Harlen Smith: among other violent actions, kicking an officer in the back and knocking him to the ground and hitting two officers in the head with the metal pole he threw at them Albaquerque Cosper Head: dragging officer Fanone face-down down the West Terrace steps and attacking police Steven Cappuccio: ripping off officer Hodges's gas mask and striking him across the face with his own baton
cubsfan Posted January 10 Posted January 10 11 minutes ago, John D. Rockefeller said: Sure, let's go through a few of them individually: Would it have been appropriate to shoot: David Nicholas Dempsey: stomping on police officers' heads, using flagpoles and other objects to attack officers, and spraying bear spray into the gas mask of an officer Daniel Joseph "DJ" Rodriguez: shot Officer Michael Fanone, who had been dragged into the mob by another assailant and was lying face-down on the ground, twice with a stun gun held to his neck. Attacked other officers with a wooden pole Christopher Joseph Quaglin: choking and tackling officer Michael Fanone to the ground, attacking other officers with metal bike racks, stolen police shields, and pepper spray Thomas Webster: attacking an officer with a flagpole and tackling him Thomas Harlen Smith: among other violent actions, kicking an officer in the back and knocking him to the ground and hitting two officers in the head with the metal pole he threw at them Albaquerque Cosper Head: dragging officer Fanone face-down down the West Terrace steps and attacking police Steven Cappuccio: ripping off officer Hodges's gas mask and striking him across the face with his own baton Not knowing anything about those incidents, other than the way you describe them. Sounds like to me deadly force would be justified. What exactly is your point?
John D. Rockefeller Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) Thank you! There is no point, this is a Forum and I am asking for the opinions of users in order to understand them better. My opinion is that in all those cases deadly force would have been inmeasurably more appropriate than in the Ms. Good case. Instead, in the former people got pardons, and in the latter the shooter immunity from even investigation. So my opinion is there seems to be a double standard going on Edited January 10 by John D. Rockefeller
cubsfan Posted January 10 Posted January 10 1 minute ago, John D. Rockefeller said: Thank you! There is no point, this is a Forum and I am asking for the opinions of users in order to understand them better Understand - if you threaten a police officer's life - you are asking to be shot. Like Greg says - disastrous decision making on both sides - right & left. Non-partisan.
cubsfan Posted January 10 Posted January 10 11 minutes ago, John D. Rockefeller said: Thank you! There is no point, this is a Forum and I am asking for the opinions of users in order to understand them better. My opinion is that in all those cases deadly force would have been inmeasurably more appropriate than in the Ms. Good case. Instead, in the former people got pardons, and in the latter the shooter immunity from even investigation. So my opinion is there seems to be a double standard going on It's clear from the video she drove her car at the law enforcement. In what fantasy, would you think it's appropriate to disobey AND then drive at law enforcement that is in front of your car. Her partner is on the left of the car yelling "drive baby drive!" Since when is running over law enforcement not a deadly threat?
Gregmal Posted January 10 Posted January 10 12 minutes ago, cubsfan said: Understand - if you threaten a police officer's life - you are asking to be shot. Bingo. When one decides(or is forced) to engage with law enforcement, the only two things that matter are, 1) can they use force and 2) what is the probability that they do use force? My personal preference is to avoid getting into a situation where I have to evaluate either of those questions…but to each their own.
cwericb Posted January 10 Posted January 10 1 minute ago, cubsfan said: It's clear from the video she drove her car at the law enforcement. In what fantasy, would you think it's appropriate to disobey AND then drive at law enforcement that is in front of your car. Her partner is on the left of the car yelling "drive baby drive!" Since when is running over law enforcement not a deadly threat? If he was run over, how was he able to fire shots through the side window?
cubsfan Posted January 10 Posted January 10 7 minutes ago, cwericb said: If he was run over, how was he able to fire shots through the side window? The first shot went through the front window genius.
cwericb Posted January 10 Posted January 10 22 minutes ago, cubsfan said: 23 minutes ago, cubsfan said: The first shot went through the front window genius. ...and the other rounds?
73 Reds Posted January 10 Posted January 10 1 hour ago, dwy000 said: This is one of the most competitive industries in the world. Your product is ubiquitous - money. The only differentiating factor is service and price (interest rate). And its easy to switch. If anyone could make money lending at 10% it would be in the market in a heartbeat. Are you actually supportive of this initiative? On the surface it sounds fine to me but I haven't read the details.
LC Posted January 10 Posted January 10 You really think MAGA sees things from a human perspective? They worship power and deep down want this to happen. There's no sense discussing when even the murder of a lady in cold blood gets met with a laundry list of excuses of why she had it coming. Nothing new to see, unfortunately.
cubsfan Posted January 10 Posted January 10 3 minutes ago, LC said: You really think MAGA sees things from a human perspective? They worship power and deep down want this to happen. There's no sense discussing when even the murder of a lady in cold blood gets met with a laundry list of excuses of why she had it coming. Nothing new to see, unfortunately. Sure @LC . Cops never get run over and killed by criminals. A car is not a deadly weapon. She gets to interfere and obstruct law enforcement any time she likes. I'm mean, hey, it's America right? and we get to do anything we please, anytime we like.
John Hjorth Posted January 10 Posted January 10 31 minutes ago, cubsfan said: .... genius. Please cool down all, please, Why are some of you active here by now even drilling down into something like this, filling CofB&F with it? There exists a justice system to handle that! - - - o 0 o - - - - How are you doing with regard to your investment progress? -Tell us about your thougths and your doings, actions and thoughts, line of thinking! I don't have a heart of cold, solidified, hardened stone, however, meaningless, ugly *sh*t* happens everywhere, about every day, also here in 'cosy, calme' Denmark. [Population DK ~6 mio., US population ~345 million]. - - - o 0 o - - - Still, condecending name calling is just such a CofB&F no-go among us!
dwy000 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 27 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: On the surface it sounds fine to me but I haven't read the details. There are no details. As usual its a random tweet. You dont need details to opine on the concept. The fact that you are willing to even consider supporting something that is so far left that even most democrats wont touch it, solely because Trump is the one pushing it is the most cult thing I've seen. You have chosen Donald Trump over your own opinions, logic and reason.
cubsfan Posted January 10 Posted January 10 14 minutes ago, John Hjorth said: Please cool down all, please, Why are some of you active here by now even drilling down into something like this, filling CofB&F with it? There exists a justice system to handle that! - - - o 0 o - - - - How are you doing with regard to your investment progress? -Tell us about your thougths and your doings, actions and thoughts, line of thinking! I don't have a heart of cold, solidified, hardened stone, however, meaningless, ugly *sh*t* happens everywhere, about every day, also here in 'cosy, calme' Denmark. [Population DK ~6 mio., US population ~345 million]. - - - o 0 o - - - Still, condecending name calling is just such a CofB&F no-go among us! I know CW is quite intelligent. I was surprised he couldn't figure out something so obvious. Take the day off @John Hjorth - you're sure to feel better!
73 Reds Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) 6 minutes ago, dwy000 said: There are no details. As usual its a random tweet. You dont need details to opine on the concept. The fact that you are willing to even consider supporting something that is so far left that even most democrats wont touch it, solely because Trump is the one pushing it is the most cult thing I've seen. You have chosen Donald Trump over your own opinions, logic and reason. See, that's just silly. What you fail to grasp is that many people (myself included) support issues regardless of who peddles them. I've long since argued that usurious interest rates are predatory and that didn't change with the advent of Donald Trump. When you label everyone as being part of a cult you demonstrate a lack of understanding and your own "cultist" attitude. You asked how they can make money at 10%. Well, how do they make money on people like me who pay 0%? Edited January 10 by 73 Reds word
dwy000 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 Just now, 73 Reds said: See, that's just silly. What you fail to grasp is that many people (myself included) support issues regardless of who peddles them. I've long since argued that usurious interest rates are predatory and that didn't change with the advent of Donald Trump. When you label everyone as being part of cult you demonstrate a lack of understanding and your own "cultist" attitude. You asked how they can make money at 10%. Well, how do they make money on people like me who pay 0%? You support everything Trump puts forward. Regardless of sensibility or logic. Thats a cult! They make money on people like you because of interchange fees (the 2-3% the store pays) and annual fees. The banks arent going to just lose money at 10% they will cancel cards - starting with those with high balances and high default risk (ie the people who need them most).
73 Reds Posted January 10 Posted January 10 1 minute ago, dwy000 said: You support everything Trump puts forward. Regardless of sensibility or logic. Thats a cult! They make money on people like you because of interchange fees (the 2-3% the store pays) and annual fees. The banks arent going to just lose money at 10% they will cancel cards - starting with those with high balances and high default risk (ie the people who need them most). Wrong. When you assume......Thanks for so clearly making my point yet again.
dwy000 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 7 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Wrong. When you assume......Thanks for so clearly making my point yet again. All it takes to prove me wrong is for you to show a grain of independence and to go against Trump on something.
Gregmal Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) 3 minutes ago, dwy000 said: All it takes to prove me wrong is for you to show a grain of independence and to go against Trump on something. If you substitute the word support with “protest” or “disagree with”, you and a lot of others fit the bill to T. Cult Edited January 10 by Gregmal
73 Reds Posted January 10 Posted January 10 Just now, dwy000 said: All it takes to prove me wrong is for you to show a grain of independence and to go against Trump on something. When you and others label people as a cult, or Maga, it is hard to take the discussion seriously. Labels are convenient and lazy. But just for you, one of my biggest gripes with Trump is his pushing Crypto. A lot of people are going to get hurt someday.
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