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[whiskybravo]

10 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

?? I was literally agreeing with Greg on something and now youre complaining about that?

 

And none of that discussion on my side was even intended to be about Democrats. The whole lost point was that Trump policies are more socialist than traditional Republican. 

I can assure you that Greg does not agree with you that from the 1990’s to now the democrats have moved to the right as you stated.  Failure of logic.  No big deal.  Not get back in there and resume fighting the cult.  

 

[73 Reds]

8 minutes ago, John Hjorth said:

 

This is so friggin' simple to solve that no matter what country it is about, Americans get a longlasting and high level discussion discussion out of election fraud, while the real issue at hand is alll this long lasting and high level discussion are based on the assumption on the assumption, that US election procedures are best standard possible, whjile it's actually not in any way the case. It's about digitalisation and simple and design of basic internal electoral controls and procedures.

 

Here we are getting summonded by a physical letter, sent to us by mail, this letter contains a voting slip attached. It you want to vote by mail, you have to physically return by mail your voting slip. If not included in your vote by mail, your vote is disapproved as non-counting. By apearance at your voting location, your voting slip is phusically withdrawn from you as the price paid for the ballot list to vote, and paired with a dummy copy only existing in one physical specimen. One is asked to have ID available at appearance at the voting place, and all have such even if you have no passport or driver license. It's here called a 'health card'.

Makes sense, John - that is one way to do it.  The issue is there are different standards of voter eligibility in different places in the US.  There is no legitimate reason for not having identical rules and standards in every election everywhere in the US.  The disparity is what raises questions and all the loose standards are in places where one political party happens to dominate with policies like open borders and minimal law enforcement.  It is the very same disparity and divide responsible for electing Trump.   And it is the same political party opposing a simple rule requiring Voter ID to vote that lost every swing State (the only States that truly matter in US Presidential elections) and can't answer a simple question, why?  

[dwy000]

22 minutes ago, 73 Reds said:

Makes sense, John - that is one way to do it.  The issue is there are different standards of voter eligibility in different places in the US.  There is no legitimate reason for not having identical rules and standards in every election everywhere in the US.  The disparity is what raises questions and all the loose standards are in places where one political party happens to dominate with policies like open borders and minimal law enforcement.  It is the very same disparity and divide responsible for electing Trump.   And it is the same political party opposing a simple rule requiring Voter ID to vote that lost every swing State (the only States that truly matter in US Presidential elections) and can't answer a simple question, why?  

Because there's no large scale voter fraud.  So you're taking on a problem that doesnt exist.  In fact if all those swing states went for Trump, what's the problem?  If everyone loves Trump and his policies you should be freeing up the electorate, reducing all barriers to voting and making it as simple and open as possible.  The fact that youre doing the opposite suggests a fear of voters voting freely. 

[Gregmal]

So the logic now is “it hasn’t happened so there’s zero need to have preventative measures or laws safeguarding the issue”….man the hits keep on coming. 

[dwy000]

3 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

So the logic now is “it hasn’t happened so there’s zero need to have preventative measures or laws safeguarding the issue”….man the hits keep on coming. 

Because if you are truly concerned about it, requiring an ID at a polling station is very unlikely to be the solution to it. Large scale voting fraud sufficient to shift results isnt going to be one offs showing up at polling stations. And even more unlikely to be driven by illegal immigrants - which, after all, is the whole argument that thos was about. Certainly having ICE roaming around polling stations isnt going to help.  

[Sweet]

1 hour ago, Spekulatius said:

It was the same Germany where I lived. However it was super easy to get an ID and every one got one . This is not the case in the US depending on the state you live in.  read my above post how it works in NC. 3month wait list to show up at DMV isn’t easy in my book. In Germany, I can get to the local town office as well as many other official offices (if you don’t happen to be in your hometown). Everyone got one once he is 16 years old and it’s also free (not the case in the US either).

There was a large delay in getting passports here recently.  Fix the cause of that.  Really no reason to not have ID when voting.  It’s insane to me.

[Spekulatius]

India and China moving closer together it seems. they have been antagonistic for a long time. India always had ties to Russia.

https://www.politico.eu/article/chinas-xi-welcomes-putin-modi-trump-roils-global-relations/

[Spekulatius]

1 hour ago, Sweet said:

There was a large delay in getting passports here recently.  Fix the cause of that.  Really no reason to not have ID when voting.  It’s insane to me.

There is no reason to make it difficult to obtain ID‘s in the first place. Why does it need to be done by the DMV (which is more or less dysfunctional in many states and can’t handle driving licenses well). Make it essay to obtain ID for everyone then you can ask for them too.

[Sweet]

5 minutes ago, Spekulatius said:

There is no reason to make it difficult to obtain ID‘s in the first place. Why does it need to be done by the DMV (which is more or less dysfunctional in many states and can’t handle driving licenses well). Make it essay to obtain ID for everyone then you can ask for them too.

You have to verify.  I’m sure that’s why it takes time.  Just be prepared, waiting a month or two isn’t that big of a deal.

[cubsfan]

5 hours ago, Gregmal said:

Hilarious and again embarrassing. It’s fairly common knowledge that gradually over time policies become more liberal leaning as societies evolve. It’s been pointed out ad nauseam that the “1990s democrat” is basically today’s center/center right”. Where have you been living? 

 

That's exactly right. Today's MAGA voter has much more in common with Bill Clinton than the crazy lunatics in the Democratic leadership.

[cubsfan]

4 hours ago, dwy000 said:

The discussion wasnt so much around what ID is needed to vote given the lack of voter fraud. It was the requirement to carry your passport with you (not just DL or similarly ID) because ICE is hanging around polling stations for some reason.  

 

No - the discussion was you need to be able to prove you are a US citizen to vote. That's all it is about. You don't a passport, you simply have to prove who you are, after you have proved you are a citizen and are on the voter rolls as a legitimate citizen.  Nothing tough or difficult about that.

[cubsfan]

4 hours ago, dwy000 said:

And?  That was in reference to the 90's Ddemocrats that Greg commented on. 

 

And completely diverted/missed the entire discussion point which is Trump pushing more socialist policies instead of Republican ones. 

 

Re-installing Law & Order in a country virtually wrecked by Democratic lawlessness is not at all socialist.

[dealraker]

8 hours ago, 73 Reds said:

LOL, go ahead and short the market and the USA; I'll take the other side of that bet all day long.

Uhh...what did I just write Reds?  Your response is as is nowadays nearly always the case not related.  Short what market where?   

[LC]

https://euobserver.com/eu-and-the-world/ar4837d973

 

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Denmark has accused US agents of trying to foment separatism in Greenland, reigniting fears over the territory's future. 

Danish officials briefed Danish national broadcaster DR on Wednesday (27 August) that three US citizens linked to the administration had covertly visited the island to recruit backers for a split from Denmark and annexation by the US. 

 

 

Embarrassing

[cubsfan]

27 minutes ago, LC said:

https://euobserver.com/eu-and-the-world/ar4837d973

 

 

Embarrassing

 

Yeah, Trump had to "embarrass" Denmark into paying attention to Greenland.

 

It worked marvelously for Greenland, as Denmark coughed up $2B for their colony..

[Spekulatius]

Sowjet Style propaganda from US department of Labor. Perfect horseshoe theory. 

[John Hjorth]

 

9 hours ago, cubsfan said:

 

Yeah, Trump had to "embarrass" Denmark into paying attention to Greenland.

 

It worked marvelously for Greenland, as Denmark coughed up $2B for their colony..

 

Mike [ @cubsfan ],

 

To me personallly, your posts related to recent US-Denmark-Greenland relations developments doesen't really appear to qualify.

[changegonnacome]

 

One of the truly dumbest things Trump has done in his time in office......apart from broadly destroying the US's reputation as reliable partner which will have untold soft and hard costs moving forward for the US.......is to destroy broadly bipartisan decades long Presidential bridge building with India with this frankly dumb secondary sanctions escapade....Trump has correctly identified (in the global trading system) untapped US coercive leverage. 

 

The issue of course is once you tap it you don't get to quite tap it again so you want to be certain its being done for a good long term strategic cause.

 

Trump has incinerated this untapped coercive leverage for what> 

 

- a lousy $400bn a year in fiat money

- achieved by creating a defacto domestic sales tax that will soon piss off domestic low income and middle income voters

- that has pissed off foreign friends and foes alike

- to what? give a tax cut to the rich in a time of record fiscal deficits?

- now secondary sanctions on India (that won't work) for a war in Ukraine that is fundamentally unwinnable 

- pushing in the process India (the world's most populous country & 4th largest by GDP) even a millimeter closer to China (the world's second most populous country & second largest by GDP)......is just terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible strategic risk management

 

I think it's fair to say now that Trump has presided over the largest relative fall in American global power and influence since the founding of the country in 1776. History won't be kind to this episode in our history.

 

MAGA tends to get lost in the weeds of immigration, trans people in sports and imaginary voter fraud.....and completely misses the big overarching picture.....the really big drivers and levers of American prosperity and security over the very long pull. 'Making America Great Again' will prove to be one of the great oxymorons in history.....an international relations joke that will echo across decades. You can see Modi, Putin and Xi chuckling in the picture above as they must sit in glee as their relative global power increases at the expense of ours.

 

 

 

Edited September 1, 2025 by changegonnacome

[Eng12345]

4 hours ago, changegonnacome said:

 

One of the truly dumbest things Trump has done in his time in office......apart from broadly destroying the US's reputation as reliable partner which will have untold soft and hard costs moving forward for the US.......is to destroy broadly bipartisan decades long Presidential bridge building with India with this frankly dumb secondary sanctions escapade....Trump has correctly identified (in the global trading system) untapped US coercive leverage. 

 

The issue of course is once you tap it you don't get to quite tap it again so you want to be certain its being done for a good long term strategic cause.

 

Trump has incinerated this untapped coercive leverage for what> 

 

- a lousy $400bn a year in fiat money

- achieved by creating a defacto domestic sales tax that will soon piss off domestic low income and middle income voters

- that has pissed off foreign friends and foes alike

- to what? give a tax cut to the rich in a time of record fiscal deficits?

- now secondary sanctions on India (that won't work) for a war in Ukraine that is fundamentally unwinnable 

- pushing in the process India (the world's most populous country & 4th largest by GDP) even a millimeter closer to China (the world's second most populous country & second largest by GDP)......is just terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible strategic risk management

 

I think it's fair to say now that Trump has presided over the largest relative fall in American global power and influence since the founding of the country in 1776. History won't be kind to this episode in our history.

 

MAGA tends to get lost in the weeds of immigration, trans people in sports and imaginary voter fraud.....and completely misses the big overarching picture.....the really big drivers and levers of American prosperity and security over the very long pull. 'Making America Great Again' will prove to be one of the great oxymorons in history.....an international relations joke that will echo across decades. You can see Modi, Putin and Xi chuckling in the picture above as they must sit in glee as their relative global power increases at the expense of ours.

 

 

 

+1 

 

If there was any 2nd order thinking I think the goal should have been to drive as big of a wedge between China and India as possible at most any price.  

[cwericb]

13 minutes ago, Eng12345 said:

+1 

 

If there was any 2nd order thinking I think the goal should have been to drive as big of a wedge between China and India as possible at most any price.  

 

On behalf of some of us lesser intelligent people on this board who don't seem able to comprehend Mr. Trump's game plans, could any of his supporters explain some of his recent moves. Here are two.

 

1) India has the world's fastest growing major economy. India's border with China is thousands of kilometers long.

Why would the US want to start some sort of trade war with India and drive India into supporting China?.

 

2) Trump has recently stated that he is going to cut drug prices "not by 40% or 50%, but by 1400% or 1500%".

Could one of his supporters explain how he might achieve this?

[cubsfan]

29 minutes ago, cwericb said:

 

On behalf of some of us lesser intelligent people on this board who don't seem able to comprehend Mr. Trump's game plans, could any of his supporters explain some of his recent moves. Here are two.

 

1) India has the world's fastest growing major economy. India's border with China is thousands of kilometers long.

Why would the US want to start some sort of trade war with India and drive India into supporting China?.

 

2) Trump has recently stated that he is going to cut drug prices "not by 40% or 50%, but by 1400% or 1500%".

Could one of his supporters explain how he might achieve this?

 

1) I'm no big fan of the secondary tariffs on India. But alliances can change quickly, so much of this is theater - I'm fine with POTUS determining his foriegn policy.

But I do think it's a risky move.

 

2) Who the fuck cares - I sure don't

[Gregmal]

Little disappointed. Checked in for today’s dose of humor and I guess the content reset. Back to “help! I don’t understand. Please explain for me!”….

[whiskybravo]

1 hour ago, cwericb said:

2) Trump has recently stated that he is going to cut drug prices "not by 40% or 50%, but by 1400% or 1500%".

Could one of his supporters explain how he might achieve this?

That’s easy.  Say you take a medication that costs $100.  If it’s price is cut by 1500%, then you are paid $1400 every time you take it.

[73 Reds]

1 hour ago, cwericb said:

 

On behalf of some of us lesser intelligent people on this board who don't seem able to comprehend Mr. Trump's game plans, could any of his supporters explain some of his recent moves. Here are two.

 

1) India has the world's fastest growing major economy. India's border with China is thousands of kilometers long.

Why would the US want to start some sort of trade war with India and drive India into supporting China?.

 

2) Trump has recently stated that he is going to cut drug prices "not by 40% or 50%, but by 1400% or 1500%".

Could one of his supporters explain how he might achieve this?

1)  Recently answered in a prior post in this thread.

 

2)  Can't be explained because anything more than 100% doesn't make mathematical sense unless folks will be paid (a lot!) to buy prescription drugs.

[John Hjorth]

1 minute ago, whiskybravo said:

That’s easy.  Say you take a medication that costs $100.  If it’s price is cut by 1500%, then you are paid $1400 every time you take it.

 

 lol!