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[Luke]

Ten shots to the back, whilst on his knees, disarmed and pepper sprayed. All for protecting a woman from a cartel masked thug with a bear spray canister. 

[73 Reds]

Just now, Dalal.Holdings said:

This weekend's events directly counter that statement.

 

I know--you think everyone who is out protesting ICE is obstructing a government procedure. You just believe what Noem and Miller tell you to believe. Most Americans don't though.

Yeah you know.  Have the last word.

[Dalal.Holdings]

Just now, Luke said:

Ten shots to the back, whilst on his knees, disarmed and pepper sprayed. All for protecting a woman from a cartel masked thug with a bear spray canister. 

 

Occam's Razor is very very hard for some.

[cubsfan]

3 minutes ago, Dalal.Holdings said:

 

Is this really that hard for you to understand?

 

Why did Americans feel emboldened to protest lockdowns? Why did the colonies feel emboldened to dump tea in the harbor and protest a reasonable tax by the crown? 

 

Americans have a long and proud tradition of rebelling against authority that they deem to be oppressive--since 1776. No one is being paid. They don't like seeing 5 year olds being taken away and Renee Good or Alex Pretti being killed. The protests are happening organically. And now with the Pretti situation, the protests against ICE will only grow stronger.

 

Wrong again- most of these anarchists are paid protestors and unemployed losers that live in mommy's basement.  Another large part of them are gov, quasi gov agencies, etc - that live off the government grift that is so prevalent in Minnesota.

 

What you are seeing is an extremely well organized resistance that is protecting their grift. The state government has enabled the largest welfare fraud in US history: those individuals are in big, big trouble.  They NEED to get the Feds out of town. The Feds are blowing the grift and looting of the US  Treasury wide open.

 

The sooner they drive the Feds out, the sooner they can go back to looting the Treasury. Everyone knows it. They are in big trouble.

[Mephistopheles]

I love that even Trump has backed off with this, whereas his blind simps go out there and call this guy a domestic terrorist, etc. LOL

 

No matter how bad he is, Trump is infinitely more bearable than the cult. Even he can't stand them in private.

Edited January 26 by Mephistopheles

[Dalal.Holdings]

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-walz-wants-work-together-minneapolis-tensions-flare-after-federal-shooting

 

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"Governor Tim Walz called me with the request to work together with respect to Minnesota," Trump posted to Truth Social Monday. "It was a very good call, and we, actually, seemed to be on a similar wavelength. I told Governor Walz that I would have Tom Homan call him, and that what we are looking for are any and all Criminals that they have in their possession." 

 

Still amused how badly and quickly Trump screwed up Minnesota. He scored major political points just weeks ago with all the fraud allegations and then Tim Walz dropped out. And now he's having "a very good call" with Tim Walz. 

 

Classic Trump. He's often his own worst enemy.

[Luke]

 

 

South Park on point again

 

[dealraker]

I guarantee you police officers for the most part also know that shooting someone on the ground at point blank range could easily bounce up and hit the other officers.  How they got away unscathed must be the luck of the century.  

[dwy000]

1 hour ago, 73 Reds said:

Last I checked, the 2nd Amendment applied to everyone.  But yeah, personal responsibility is hard for some, the same people who like to blame others.

You are effectively saying it was his fault because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong hardware.  

 

He was at a legal protest and legally carrying a gun that was holstered. He was doing what every single American has the right to do any time they want.  There is no "wrong place, wrong time" blame for freedom. 

 

You're in a cult. 

[cubsfan]

8 minutes ago, Dalal.Holdings said:

 

You can believe the silent majority is with you all you want, but Republicans who are up for reelection disagree with you. The polls clearly show that and most Republicans know that too. The reason why Trump is trying to cool this now is he realizes that. Even said he had a good call with Tim Walz (lol).

 

He could have won real big in MN with the fraud, but overplayed his hand. Classic Trump.

 

You have MONTHS before an election. As crime drops DRAMATICALLY as it has in Memphis, DC and around the country - and as safety returns to the country - where crime is down 20%+ around the country - voters will notice.

 

Everyone knew this would happen: seal the border, start removing criminals, then deal with the ugly, ugly problem of Sanctuary Cities that take the side of criminals/anarchists, but not the citizens.

 

We all knew this would happen - I predicted day 1 when they announced they would come to Chicago.

 

What happened when they rolled out ICE in Florida, Texas, Georgia, Tennessee???   NOTHING

 

Why is it happening in Minnesota?  Sanctuary city politicians totally behind their anarchists. Those politicians MUST resist - because they are in deep, deep trouble.

 

You think the American people are stupid - they are not. They see it all in it's ugliness.

[dwy000]

2 hours ago, flesh said:

What's the cause of death for Alex Pretti?

 

By weighting in %'s

 

1. Allowing unmitigated illegal immigration, including thousands(ten's?, 100's? of criminals)

 

2. Massive media push to protest repeated daily for month's?

 

3. Left wing media rarely if ever saying how and what the proper forms of safe protest are and often pushing for more aggressive forms of protest/using hyperbole?

 

4. Improperly trained/radicalized ice agents?

 

5. Trump/ice leaders  poor leadership leading to more aggressive Ice behavior?

 

6. Trump not calling off ICE altogether and ending the program?

 

7. Left wing politicians in left wing states not cooperating with ICE and often actively opposing them in various ways? Counterfactual, how many ICE deaths per arrest in cooperating states. 

 

8. Collateral damage, some people die when law enforcement of any kind do their job. It's a numbers game. Namely, if you have 100k arrests x people will die by cops/ICE

Pretty sure the cause of death was the multiple bullets that were shot into him.  

 

While he was doing nothing else wrong.  The entire list is just trying to deflect. 

[cubsfan]

13 minutes ago, Luke said:

Ten shots to the back, whilst on his knees, disarmed and pepper sprayed. All for protecting a woman from a cartel masked thug with a bear spray canister. 

 

Says the guy that is perfectly ok with the murder of unarmed Ashli Babbitt who trespassed the Capitol. 

 

"Hey, she deserved it - congress was in danger"

[flesh]

8 minutes ago, Dalal.Holdings said:

 

It must be hard to invest if this is how clouded one's reasoning is.

 

Doesn't matter if you think I'm wrong, you are seeing the political blowback now. Even Trump is responding to that. Doesn't matter what the loonies think.

 

At the end of the day, elections in the USA are won by winning the normies, not the loonies.

 

The normies gave Trump a win in 2024 because they didn't like Biden's open border. He closed the border and then went nuts with ICE. He could have just closed the border and deported violent criminals, but decided to also go after nannies and 5 year olds. He decided to label anyone protesting ICE as "terrorists". He decided to send ICE to Minnesota when all he had to do was use the FBI to investigate the fraud happening there--an easy win.

 

Now the normies will turn against him. Alex Pretti's murder and Noem/Miller response is intolerable for the majority of reasonable Americans. Even Republicans in Congress demanding investigations. 

 

 

Just for the record assuming what's supposed to said here is something like Pretti's death was unnecessary and part of the problem is the particular ICE agents involved. I agree.

 

Strategically, politically, that is, without what's true being foremost, you may be correct is your prediction, I don't know or know how to know. 

 

As an aside, I do have a hard time investing, yet do pretty well somehow. Had to change circle of competence to circle of psychology before my returns improved, after 7 years of practice. 

 

I do find all the thinking going on here interesting. There's been a few that have more or less agreed with you as well. 

 

I have a quick story, a good friend told me. Maybe you and others can chime in on why the following happened. The end result in this case being the hog tying with sheets and beating of a juvenile delinquent as opposed to bullets entering Pretti's back. 

 

7th grader smokes a cigarette on a playground at 6pm, neighbors see him, call police, police come and give him a smoking citation. 

7th grader goes to court, judge says that'll be 25$ fine and 10 hours community service. 

Mother of 7th grader stands up and tells judge that her son is out of control and does things like come home later than he says he will. 

Judge orders 7th grader to be locked up for 10 days. 

Lockup facility is overcrowded, there are 3 per cell vs 2, 7th graders room mates out weigh him by 50 lbs each. One is in for stabbing a rival gang member, next stop, long term lock up. Another is in for burning his parents house down, next stop, long term mental institution. 

During the first night, gang member directs mental patient to help him hog tie 7th grader with sheets and gag him. 

Gang member and mental patient beat 7th grader for half an hour, repeats night 2 and 3. 

Gang member leaves. The end. 

 

Why did the 7th grader get beaten? 

 

 

[dwy000]

25 minutes ago, 73 Reds said:

Its not about Trump or elections.  If you want to make it a larger issue, why do people feel emboldened to impede ICE and law enforcement?  Do you believe this tragedy would have happened if people were not encouraged, even paid to engage in such activity?  Could it have something to do with the fact that "protestors" were permitted to invade college campuses and disrupt life for many while authorities simply stood by, watched and supported them?  

Because ICE is continually targeting citizens and legal immigrants.  Is the "paid to engage in this activity" referring to the ICE agents and their bonuses (because the idea that protesters are there because theyre paid is beyond a Fox News joke).

 

OMG, protests on a college campus?? Shock, horror!   Thats pretty much every college for the past 200 years.

[cubsfan]

22 minutes ago, Luke said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Poor @Luke  , nothing valuable to contribute per usual.

 

 

[Gregmal]

6 minutes ago, flesh said:

Why did the 7th grader get beaten? 

Ive narrowed it down to one or two things, could be both. Cult, or Occam's razor. TINA

[cubsfan]

6 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

Because ICE is continually targeting citizens and legal immigrants.  

 

More bold faced lies from you as usual, stunning numbers:

 

 

On August 25, 2025, HSTF officially launched its effort to protect the Homeland with a September Surge encompassing 400 operations nationwide. In just 43 days, HSTF nationwide operations resulted in 3,266 arrests and seizures including:

• 1,041 Sinaloa members,
• 856 Cártel Jalisco Nueva Generación (“CJNG”) members,
• 641 MS-13 members,
• 456 Tren de Aragua members,
• 1,067 weapons,
• More than $3,250,000 in currency,

Approximately 91 metric tons of narcotics.

 

[LC]

29 minutes ago, Dalal.Holdings said:

Americans have a long and proud tradition of rebelling against authority that they deem to be oppressive--since 1776.

 

Isn't it funny that the whitest, most conservative "Americans" ('Murica!) are suddenly the first to bend over and grab their ankles when an authority figure comes thru and stomps on their constitutional rights?

 

Our MAGA members might want to carry around a bottle of KY with them at all times! Better than 11 bullets in the back, right guys?

 

I also agree Dalal with your point on Trump overstepping- there are a ton other ways (constitutional, bi-partisan) that Stumpy could've dealt with illegal immigrants. He could've just picked up Biden's bipartisan and actually effective plan. But immigrants are just a pretense for politics rule #1: When you have power, keep power. Trump has a good squad, and he is making sure to use of all eight of their brain cells! 

[73 Reds]

15 minutes ago, flesh said:

Just for the record assuming what's supposed to said here is something like Pretti's death was unnecessary and part of the problem is the particular ICE agents involved. I agree.

 

Strategically, politically, that is, without what's true being foremost, you may be correct is your prediction, I don't know or know how to know. 

 

As an aside, I do have a hard time investing, yet do pretty well somehow. Had to change circle of competence to circle of psychology before my returns improved, after 7 years of practice. 

 

I do find all the thinking going on here interesting. There's been a few that have more or less agreed with you as well. 

 

I have a quick story, a good friend told me. Maybe you and others can chime in on why the following happened. The end result in this case being the hog tying with sheets and beating of a juvenile delinquent as opposed to bullets entering Pretti's back. 

 

7th grader smokes a cigarette on a playground at 6pm, neighbors see him, call police, police come and give him a smoking citation. 

7th grader goes to court, judge says that'll be 25$ fine and 10 hours community service. 

Mother of 7th grader stands up and tells judge that her son is out of control and does things like come home later than he says he will. 

Judge orders 7th grader to be locked up for 10 days. 

Lockup facility is overcrowded, there are 3 per cell vs 2, 7th graders room mates out weigh him by 50 lbs each. One is in for stabbing a rival gang member, next stop, long term lock up. Another is in for burning his parents house down, next stop, long term mental institution. 

During the first night, gang member directs mental patient to help him hog tie 7th grader with sheets and gag him. 

Gang member and mental patient beat 7th grader for half an hour, repeats night 2 and 3. 

Gang member leaves. The end. 

 

Why did the 7th grader get beaten? 

 

 

@fleshDo you believe that is a true and accurate account from your friend?  Don't know any jurisdiction in the US where 7th graders are locked up in cells with hardened criminals for coming home late.  If the story is in fact accurate there are lots of issues there.   

[LC]

20 minutes ago, flesh said:

7th grader smokes a cigarette on a playground at 6pm, neighbors see him, call police, police come and give him a smoking citation. 

 

Have you been paying attention to MAGA? The police don't enforce the laws, we need ICE to do so.

 

So ICE sees a 7th grader - what shade of skin does he have? If its darker than a Yukon gold potato, he gets scooped up and sent to Bolivia.

Hypothetical story over.

[flesh]

25 minutes ago, 73 Reds said:

@fleshDo you believe that is a true and accurate account from your friend?  Don't know any jurisdiction in the US where 7th graders are locked up in cells with hardened criminals for coming home late.  If the story is in fact accurate there are lots of issues there.   

Yes, 100% sure. I know this person very well. He got jacked and starting boxing soon after and a lot of men most of them much bigger than him ended up paying dearly for the fire that was lit during that time. It gets weirder, he was locked up again a few years later and the gang member was his room mate again, being held temporarily before being tried as an adult. What are the odds? Temporary holding place with 30 rooms. He also had an out of body experience while being beaten … floating over the scene near the ceiling. Coming to untied crying with the assailants staring wide eyed and nobody quite knowing what just happened. 
 

All said it’s a long story, I stuck with the facts and a simple story to keep it short but not that interesting. 
 

it happened in 92’ in Davis county Utah at moweda. 

Edited January 26 by flesh

[73 Reds]

1 minute ago, flesh said:

Yes, 100% sure. I know this person very well. He got jacked and starting boxing soon after and a lot of men most of them much bigger than him ended up paying dearly for the fire that was lit during that time. It gets weirder, he was locked up again a few years later and the gang member was his room mate again, being held temporarily before being tried as an adult. What are the odds? Temporary holding place with 30 rooms. 
 

All said it’s a long story, I stuck with the facts and a simple story to keep it short but not that interesting. 

Can I ask you where this happened?  Most 7th graders are 12 or 13 years old.  Have never before heard of a smoking (cigarette) citation issued by the police anywhere but an inside location where smoking is illegal for anyone, and certainly not one that would require going before a Judge who has authority to incarcerate a minor.  Children (nor anyone else) don't get locked up for simple infractions and coming home late is not a crime so there is likely much more to the story that your friend hasn't shared.

[flesh]

9 minutes ago, 73 Reds said:

Can I ask you where this happened?  Most 7th graders are 12 or 13 years old.  Have never before heard of a smoking (cigarette) citation issued by the police anywhere but an inside location where smoking is illegal for anyone, and certainly not one that would require going before a Judge who has authority to incarcerate a minor.  Children (nor anyone else) don't get locked up for simple infractions and coming home late is not a crime so there is likely much more to the story that your friend hasn't shared.

I’m no lawyer. I know it happened. Since your curious The elementary 

school was in bountiful Utah. The year was 92’ iirc 93’ latest. He was either 7th grade or the summer between 7/8th. The facility was for Davis county and called moweda. The gang member was Billy tahandan (sp?)from Ogden Utah. 
 

smoking citations were given out to those underage all the time. 

Edited January 26 by flesh

[73 Reds]

Just now, flesh said:

I’m no lawyer. I know it happened. Since your curious The elementary 

school was in bountiful Utah. The year was 92’ iirc 93’ latest. He was either 7th grade or the summer between 7/8th. The facility was for Davis county and called moweda. The gang member was Billy tahandan (sp?)from Ogden Utah. 

Thanks.  As far as I know, all States have juvenile courts to handle matters involving minors.  The first and most important priority of all juvenile courts is protection of the children.

[Parsad]

9 hours ago, Castanza said:

A rifle has different requirements than a handgun. It does not need to be concealed and you do not need a permit. His violation which was thrown out was he borrowed it as an underage person. Use of deadly force is determined in the courts and importantly without hindsight analysis. Regardless, the Prosecutor was almost thrown out for Constitutional violations with questioning and the jury found him not guilty of all charges. 
 

But Rittenhouse was still and idiot for what he did. 
 

Im not sure you read my other posts regarding the ICU nurse but I’m in full agreement that he was wrongfully murdered by ICE and that he did not break any laws. 

 

No, I totally agree with you Castanza...just clarifying that Alex's gun was legally registered to him and in his holster...Rittenhouse, obviously because it was a rifle, was carrying it in the open and it was not registered to him.  Those are significant differences.  Cheers!