Parsad Posted January 26 Posted January 26 1 hour ago, Mephistopheles said: Occam's razor here is that - the guy had his hand up, he was maced and then fell/tackled to the ground. One of the goons yelled gun when he grabbed the gun, another one of the goons thought that by yelling "gun" they were under attack. So they opened fire. They didn't set out to kill him, but they are poorly trained, poorly incentivized (apparent total immunity, high cash bonuses and quotas for arrests), and just a bunch of trigger happy thugs aka former oath keepers and mentally retarded. I hope the state unleashes hell upon them 100%! Exactly what happened! Cheers!
Parsad Posted January 26 Posted January 26 1 hour ago, 73 Reds said: Do you believe this tragedy would have happened if people were not encouraged, even paid to engage in such activity? Wait, are you talking about Minneapolis or January 6th? The crazy and most consistent thing for both is that Trump was involved and vocal about both! Do you see a common denominator? Cheers!
Parsad Posted January 26 Posted January 26 1 hour ago, 73 Reds said: That's a good argument for a couple centuries ago. Most of us have evolved since then. Have we? The shit we see and here every day from Trump seems to indicate otherwise. The monarchy seems to be well and alive, and entrenched in America. King Trump! See all the gold shit he's poured into every room of the Whitehouse? See how he wields power? How he accepts large gifts, monetary or otherwise? How he needs his ego massaged by all those that legitimately earned something...FIFA Peace Prize, someone else's Nobel Prize, continual ass kissing by his own administration, demands to have his ass-kissed by other politicians around the world...the guy may be the greatest narcissist the world has ever seen! Cheers!
Parsad Posted January 26 Posted January 26 1 hour ago, cubsfan said: You have MONTHS before an election. As crime drops DRAMATICALLY as it has in Memphis, DC and around the country - and as safety returns to the country - where crime is down 20%+ around the country - voters will notice. Everyone knew this would happen: seal the border, start removing criminals, then deal with the ugly, ugly problem of Sanctuary Cities that take the side of criminals/anarchists, but not the citizens. We all knew this would happen - I predicted day 1 when they announced they would come to Chicago. What happened when they rolled out ICE in Florida, Texas, Georgia, Tennessee??? NOTHING Why is it happening in Minnesota? Sanctuary city politicians totally behind their anarchists. Those politicians MUST resist - because they are in deep, deep trouble. You think the American people are stupid - they are not. They see it all in it's ugliness. Why do you think it happens in some cities and not others? I wonder what Florida, Texas, Georgia and Tennessee have in common? Not even a tiny fraction of your soul thinks what is happening is wrong in any way. So why would you see Minneapolis and similar populations as anything other than anarchist Sanctuary cities. Cheers!
Parsad Posted January 26 Posted January 26 1 hour ago, cubsfan said: Says the guy that is perfectly ok with the murder of unarmed Ashli Babbitt who trespassed the Capitol. "Hey, she deserved it - congress was in danger" Cubs, what do you think would happen if you and 30 friends tried to break down the door to the Vice-President's house? You think Secret Service would try and disarm all 30 of you of your bats, knives, clubs and sticks without firing their sidearm? Geez! Cheers!
Parsad Posted January 26 Posted January 26 1 hour ago, cubsfan said: More bold faced lies from you as usual, stunning numbers: On August 25, 2025, HSTF officially launched its effort to protect the Homeland with a September Surge encompassing 400 operations nationwide. In just 43 days, HSTF nationwide operations resulted in 3,266 arrests and seizures including: 1,041 Sinaloa members, 856 Cártel Jalisco Nueva Generación (“CJNG”) members, 641 MS-13 members, 456 Tren de Aragua members, 1,067 weapons, More than $3,250,000 in currency, Approximately 91 metric tons of narcotics. I agree with that...ICE has done significant good. What I don't agree with is the recruitment and training methods, the deployment as conducted, and definitely the behavior with protestors. As well as the way the administration defends the indefensible! But like them, you think the greater good supersedes due process, restrained conduct and proper oversight of ICE. Cheers!
73 Reds Posted January 26 Posted January 26 30 minutes ago, Parsad said: Wait, are you talking about Minneapolis or January 6th? The crazy and most consistent thing for both is that Trump was involved and vocal about both! Do you see a common denominator? Cheers! Kind of hard to have a discussion with you or anyone when it is always about Trump, all the time. That seems to be your common denominator, not mine.
Parsad Posted January 26 Posted January 26 17 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Kind of hard to have a discussion with you or anyone when it is always about Trump, all the time. That seems to be your common denominator, not mine. He's the bloody root to the whole thing...or maybe I should phrase that bloody rot to the whole thing! Cheers!
cubsfan Posted January 26 Posted January 26 33 minutes ago, Parsad said: Why do you think it happens in some cities and not others? I wonder what Florida, Texas, Georgia and Tennessee have in common? Not even a tiny fraction of your soul thinks what is happening is wrong in any way. So why would you see Minneapolis and similar populations as anything other than anarchist Sanctuary cities. Cheers! Wrong. The state & local police cooperate with ICE turning over violent criminals. The reductions in crime are stunning.
73 Reds Posted January 26 Posted January 26 3 minutes ago, Parsad said: He's the bloody root to the whole thing...or maybe I should phrase that bloody rot to the whole thing! Cheers! Only in your mind, IMO. The issues of the day existed long before Trump. They'll continue on long after he is gone. The policies you don't like were largely voted on by the American public. If you want to blame American voters, feel free to do so. But recognize our political system and the powers - and limitations place on a sitting President. From my vantage point you are unable to do so.
cubsfan Posted January 26 Posted January 26 31 minutes ago, Parsad said: Cubs, what do you think would happen if you and 30 friends tried to break down the door to the Vice-President's house? You think Secret Service would try and disarm all 30 of you of your bats, knives, clubs and sticks without firing their sidearm? Geez! Cheers! The poor woman was 5' 2" - crawling in a window - unarmed. Accordingly - CoBF says "Blow her away, she's a danger to congress" Can't make this stuff up.
cubsfan Posted January 26 Posted January 26 30 minutes ago, Parsad said: I agree with that...ICE has done significant good. What I don't agree with is the recruitment and training methods, the deployment as conducted, and definitely the behavior with protestors. As well as the way the administration defends the indefensible! But like them, you think the greater good supersedes due process, restrained conduct and proper oversight of ICE. Cheers! NO - like @73 Reds said - How would you feel if I was ICE and part of the team trying to take down a dangerous individual you know nothing about, other than he is armed to the teeth- and resisting commands??? Answer: I'd be scared shitless that someone might die.
changegonnacome Posted January 26 Posted January 26 Sad to see whats happening in MN - its idiotic on many levels.....the beauty of Trump is that as bad as he is he is always sowing the field of his own downfall....the ICE debacle in MN turned a politically advantageous situation (Somali DNC enabled fraudsters) that was manna to heaven for the GOP midterms into THIS..an American ICU vet nurse executed in the street after being UNARMED........Trump/Noem we're too dumb to take the 'win' and go home and make hay a couple of weeks ago......now they are scurring out of MN with their tail between their legs and nobody is talking about the Somali fraudsters anymore.
Gregmal Posted January 26 Posted January 26 40 minutes ago, Parsad said: I wonder what Florida, Texas, Georgia and Tennessee have in common? Well I will say, in some of these other places, ones that respect law and order, standing there like a twat with your cell phone square in the face of a law enforcement agent as you actively try to impede an operation just isn’t what people look to do in their spare time. Different strokes I guess.
cubsfan Posted January 26 Posted January 26 10 minutes ago, Parsad said: He's the bloody root to the whole thing...or maybe I should phrase that bloody rot to the whole thing! Cheers! The real root to the whole disaster is Biden, who let in all the criminals 100% unvetted - thousands and thousands of them. Only to dump the problem into his successor's lap. This ugliness of removing violent criminals was 100% predictable.
dwy000 Posted January 26 Posted January 26 1 minute ago, Gregmal said: Well I will say, in some of these other places, ones that respect law and order, standing there like a twat with your cell phone square in the face of a law enforcement agent as you actively try to impede an operation just isn’t what people look to do in their spare time. Different strokes I guess. Which part of the respecting law and order is 5 agents shooting people who were legally there and not breaking any laws?
cubsfan Posted January 26 Posted January 26 3 minutes ago, changegonnacome said: Sad to see whats happening in MN - its idiotic on many levels.....the beauty of Trump is that as bad as he is he is always sowing the field of his own downfall....the ICE debacle in MN turned a politically advantageous situation (Somali DNC enabled fraudsters) that was manna to heaven for the GOP midterms into THIS..an American ICU vet nurse executed in the street after being UNARMED........Trump/Noem we're too dumb to take the 'win' and go home and make hay a couple of weeks ago......now they are scurring out of MN with their tail between their legs and nobody is talking about the Somali fraudsters anymore. Let's see - this is, what, the 50th or 60th proclamation of Trump's downfall. At least, until we get back to the Epstein files...
73 Reds Posted January 26 Posted January 26 2 minutes ago, cubsfan said: The real root to the whole disaster is Biden, who let in all the criminals 100% unvetted - thousands and thousands of them. Only to dump the problem into his successor's lap. This ugliness of removing violent criminals was 100% predictable. The real issue began well before Biden while for decades Congress continually dropped the ball on immigration reform. The issue became more political when the left recognized they could buy votes and good-will with illegals. There was no political will on either side to change things and to your point, Biden took full advantage by creating a magnet for sanctuary cities - again solely to buy political support and naturally it didn't work. The very notion of a "sanctuary city" to house illegals makes no sense to anyone who values quality of life. But no one suggested fixing the problem would be easy and painless. Meanwhile, Congress is dragging its feet yet again so once Trump leaves office the problem may resurface yet again. Its just so easy to blame Trump.
Sweet Posted January 26 Posted January 26 Why doesn’t the admin pass a law which makes it illegal to impede ICE in any way? That would help stop these street confrontations and maybe save a few lives?
UK Posted January 26 Posted January 26 (edited) 34 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Only in your mind, IMO. The issues of the day existed long before Trump. They'll continue on long after he is gone. The policies you don't like were largely voted on by the American public. If you want to blame American voters, feel free to do so. But recognize our political system and the powers - and limitations place on a sitting President. From my vantage point you are unable to do so. I think this is right, Trump just saw the situation, used infrastructure already present (party) and achieved what he sought. But the situation and issues were ripe for this. Like him or not, he is also the one who has scored here:) Edited January 26 by UK
Gregmal Posted January 26 Posted January 26 4 minutes ago, Sweet said: Why doesn’t the admin pass a law which makes it illegal to impede ICE in any way? That would help stop these street confrontations and maybe save a few lives? Bbbbbbbbecuz its their 1st amendment RIGHT to interfere and make TikTok's while dooooing it!
LC Posted January 26 Posted January 26 43 minutes ago, cubsfan said: Wrong. The state & local police cooperate with ICE turning over violent criminals. The reductions in crime are stunning. Fantastic. Then we can dis-arm and de-scope the ICE terror squad and they can go after non-violent illegal immigrants. If they believe there is some potential for violence, they can work with state/local police who are armed and have a brain. The de-funding of ICE goonsquads could be re-directed to state/local police budgets. Win for immigration control Win for state/local economies Win for local policing Win for America Not a win for Trump so why even bother suggesting it!
cubsfan Posted January 26 Posted January 26 12 minutes ago, LC said: Fantastic. Then we can dis-arm and de-scope the ICE terror squad and they can go after non-violent illegal immigrants. If they believe there is some potential for violence, they can work with state/local police who are armed and have a brain. The de-funding of ICE goonsquads could be re-directed to state/local police budgets. Win for immigration control Win for state/local economies Win for local policing Win for America Not a win for Trump so why even bother suggesting it! That is a wonderful idea @LC The problem is that Minneapolis and many sanctuary cities flat out refuse to not only co-operate with ICE - but refuse to protect ICE.
Gregmal Posted January 26 Posted January 26 23 minutes ago, LC said: Fantastic. Then we can dis-arm and de-scope the ICE terror squad and they can go after non-violent illegal immigrants. If they believe there is some potential for violence, they can work with state/local police who are armed and have a brain. The de-funding of ICE goonsquads could be re-directed to state/local police budgets. Win for immigration control Win for state/local economies Win for local policing Win for America Not a win for Trump so why even bother suggesting it! Well, sure, except these pissants also want to defund the police lol
Parsad Posted January 26 Posted January 26 1 hour ago, cubsfan said: NO - like @73 Reds said - How would you feel if I was ICE and part of the team trying to take down a dangerous individual you know nothing about, other than he is armed to the teeth- and resisting commands??? Answer: I'd be scared shitless that someone might die. Yeah, this is bullshit in this scenario. He was already on the ground with seven guys on him. The gun was revealed because his shirt rose up when they took him down. The gun was holstered and then removed by an ICE agent and well away from the scene when another agent yelled "gun!" One agent immediately withdrew his sidearm and shot him. Another one then withdrew his sidearm and fired 5 shots in rapid succession into Alex. 3 other shots were fired by ICE agents. All hit him! He was tackled in the first place because he was helping a woman off the ground. And yes, someone did die...Alex! Cheers!
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