Spooky Posted January 13 Posted January 13 1 hour ago, cubsfan said: Which is why the rise of socialism in America. That's the war in the country right now. Politicians (both Dem & Rep) hollowed out the middle class and this is the result. Rejection of lying & self serving politicians. How do you think you end up with a populist that leaders of both established political parties hate? Americans rejecting BOTH parties put Donald Trump in power. Finally something you said I agree with.
cubsfan Posted January 13 Posted January 13 1 hour ago, Spooky said: People have committed to paying more and you're still gone. The alliance is functionally dead since no one trusts that you will be there. You're just sore since Canada got called out. Not my problem.
Spooky Posted January 13 Posted January 13 10 minutes ago, cubsfan said: You're just sore since Canada got called out. Not my problem. I'm not sore about being called out. Canada should be spending more on defence. What I want is a strong NATO alliance and security! The US committing to NATO would be a strong deterrent to promote stability. As strong as the US is, it is still part of this world. You need alliances and partners.
cubsfan Posted January 13 Posted January 13 Just now, Spooky said: I'm not sore about being called out. Canada should be spending more on defence. What I want is a strong NATO alliance and security! The US committing to NATO would be a strong deterrent to promote stability. As strong as the US is, it is still part of this world. You need alliances and partners. You call NATO dead 10 years AFTER Trump forced Canada and Europe to face the facts: NATO will no longer be carried by the USA while most of the members freeload on their obligations. You all waited out Trump and hoped he would never return, while you continued the freeloading. When he got re-elected - the gig was up for NATO members and after much crying and bitching, they realize NATO is DONE unless they pull their own weight for once. Too bad Trump had to shame the members into taking NATO seriously. Everyone knows the truth - and you don't get to re-write history.
73 Reds Posted January 13 Posted January 13 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Spooky said: I'm not sore about being called out. Canada should be spending more on defence. What I want is a strong NATO alliance and security! The US committing to NATO would be a strong deterrent to promote stability. As strong as the US is, it is still part of this world. You need alliances and partners. The US is not leaving NATO. You're better than some here who take every word Trump utters literally, figuratively and/or exponentially - whichever happens to suit their daily narrative. Alliances are indeed important but try to take a 64,000 foot view sometimes rather than getting bogged down in the usual diatribe from the usual suspects. Its all a matter of more equitable support from the parties who benefit the most. Edited January 13 by 73 Reds missed line
Loss Horizon Posted January 13 Posted January 13 3 hours ago, cubsfan said: I know it's tough medicine for the free-loaders. "Pay up your share or we're gone" Someone had to do it - hate POTUS all you like. The POTUS decided to walk away in the middle of the biggest threat in 80 years. Not before, not after. That's not only about "fair share", that is quite an ugly move. But it wouldn't be so bad if it was actually about money. Right now Europe is paying for mostly everything, but it's missing few critical weapons and capabilities. It will take decades to develop them. And the US is not willing to sell them freely, it's using them as a blackmail. Europe would be so much better off if the US just sent an invoice for the missing capabilities and supply them until they are developed. But it's not happening. That's the end of the alliance and a historical betrayal. I like how the internal policy narrative is going two ways: "It's not our war", and "We shouldn't pay for free loaders, it's not fair". I suppose that covers most of people, those who don't understand the nature of the war, and those who do, but just concerned about fairness. In reality, the US has had a unique opportunity to shape the war in Ukraine. The US chose to do that in the first 3 years, and it helped tremendously. It chose to mostly stop help to Ukraine from the start of 2025. That's fair, it's your money and you can spend it however you want. If you would fully support Ukraine, it won't be losing as badly, and it would save quite a lot of lives on the defensive side. I hope there are more worthwhile causes for you to spend on.
Parsad Posted January 13 Posted January 13 5 hours ago, flesh said: In the link you can see the massive ramp up in fed employees under Biden, clearly they can't all be necessary. Of course this ramp up made his job numbers look good. If spending is what you need, don't hire fed employees, lower taxes with the equivalent money, this allocation will compound at higher rates. In the near term, taxes have been lowered. Although I wouldn't have done that myself, but would've fired more fed employees. We're in a serious hole. In general, you guys are really mean to each other. I like to imagine I'm sitting next to a smart guy, as most of you are, having a conversation. If you wouldn't sit next to him, why post to him. If fighting words would end in a fight, maybe you wouldn't use them. The jobs numbers during Biden's era are huge...unemployment fell from 6.7% to 4.1%. He increased the federal workforce by only 6% or about 180,000...while jobs increased by nearly 15M! The bullshit around Biden's lack of jobs and skewed by federal government hirings is exactly that...bullshit! Cheers!
Loss Horizon Posted January 13 Posted January 13 31 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: The US is not leaving NATO. You're better than some here who take every word Trump utters literally, figuratively and/or exponentially - whichever happens to suit their daily narrative. Alliances are indeed important but try to take a 64,000 foot view sometimes rather than getting bogged down in the usual diatribe from the usual suspects. Its all a matter of more equitable support from the parties who benefit the most. How do you determine, which word from President Trump should be taken literally, and which is not?
Gregmal Posted January 13 Posted January 13 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Parsad said: The jobs numbers during Biden's era are huge...unemployment fell from 6.7% to 4.1%. He increased the federal workforce by only 6% or about 180,000...while jobs increased by nearly 15M! The bullshit around Biden's lack of jobs and skewed by federal government hirings is exactly that...bullshit! Cheers! Cough. The majority of that is simply covid reopenings in Big Blue Cities that finally decided to reopen after Jan 19 2021….not like the timing was odd or anything….everyone knew there were still mask mandates and forced restaurant closures for everyone not named Chuck or Nancy and Gavin in these places. Then, Biden takes over and voila….we re free to open back up! Out of all the disingenuous stats cited by politicians, the job losses/creation stuff around Covid is the most egregious. Edited January 13 by Gregmal
Parsad Posted January 13 Posted January 13 4 hours ago, cubsfan said: If you haven't noticed - America is doing the same with Canada, since much of our oil will now come from Venezuela. Much of the oil in Venezuela isn't useable without high input costs. Disruption by rogue states in South America also could cause issues. You have a safe, secure partner in Canada willing to supply you with all the oil you need...most of your refineries are built for that type of oilsands oil...the government is happy with U.S. partners and investors...yet your Presidente wants to fuck things up because he's a narcissistic bully still pissed off because his wife gave some "come fuck me" looks to Turdeau! She must have been yelling "Justin, Justin" in their crypt called a marital chamber! Cheers!
Gregmal Posted January 13 Posted January 13 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Loss Horizon said: How do you determine, which word from President Trump should be taken literally, and which is not? Some of it’s just common sense. Like Liberation Day, common sense said it was a negotiating tactic and not much would stick. But people were also free to believe he was trying to cause a Depression or tank the market or sit around pondering if he was sincere about every single word and letter. I even believe some called the negotiating…”lying”….yall are free to do whatever works for you. Edited January 13 by Gregmal
Parsad Posted January 13 Posted January 13 1 minute ago, Gregmal said: Cough. The majority of that is simply covid reopenings in Big Blue Cities that finally decided to reopen after Jan 19 2021….not like the timing was odd or anything….everyone knew there were still mask mandates and forced restaurant closures for everyone not named Chuck or Nancy and Gavin in these places. Then, Biden takes over and voila….we re free to open back up! Out of all the disingenuous stats cited by politicians, the job losses/creation stuff around Covid is the most egregious. Call it what you want...those are the numbers. Just like Trump benefited from the jobs out of the Biden administration as he took office. But Trump fucked up those numbers with his tariffs and big beautiful bills! But hey, Biden's numbers were inflated by all those criminal illegals stealing American jobs, stabbing citizens with dangerous Covid vaccines, with trannies running rampant in daycares cutting off the penises of little boys to make them into little girls. The world was very dangerous under Biden! Cheers!
Gregmal Posted January 13 Posted January 13 4 minutes ago, Parsad said: Call it what you want...those are the numbers. Just like Trump benefited from the jobs out of the Biden administration as he took office. But Trump fucked up those numbers with his tariffs and big beautiful bills! But hey, Biden's numbers were inflated by all those criminal illegals stealing American jobs, stabbing citizens with dangerous Covid vaccines, with trannies running rampant in daycares cutting off the penises of little boys to make them into little girls. The world was very dangerous under Biden! Cheers! So then by this token, does Biden own pretty much all the “inflation”? I think we know “the numbers” and “the reality”.
cubsfan Posted January 13 Posted January 13 11 minutes ago, Loss Horizon said: The POTUS decided to walk away in the middle of the biggest threat in 80 years. Not before, not after. That's not only about "fair share", that is quite an ugly move. But it wouldn't be so bad if it was actually about money. Right now Europe is paying for mostly everything, but it's missing few critical weapons and capabilities. It will take decades to develop them. And the US is not willing to sell them freely, it's using them as a blackmail. Europe would be so much better off if the US just sent an invoice for the missing capabilities and supply them until they are developed. But it's not happening. That's the end of the alliance and a historical betrayal. I like how the internal policy narrative is going two ways: "It's not our war", and "We shouldn't pay for free loaders, it's not fair". I suppose that covers most of people, those who don't understand the nature of the war, and those who do, but just concerned about fairness. In reality, the US has had a unique opportunity to shape the war in Ukraine. The US chose to do that in the first 3 years, and it helped tremendously. It chose to mostly stop help to Ukraine from the start of 2025. That's fair, it's your money and you can spend it however you want. If you would fully support Ukraine, it won't be losing as badly, and it would save quite a lot of lives on the defensive side. I hope there are more worthwhile causes for you to spend on. The US spent a fortune on the war in Ukraine. Europe was put on notice long ago to step up to the plate and take NATO seriously. Europe talks a good game while trying to shame the US into fighting the war in Ukraine - while claiming they are ready to do the same. Of course, it's all BS, and Ukraine bleeds away while Europe watches. Trump's campaign promise was NOT to get the US involved in the war in Ukraine. It was telegraphed loud and clear that NO US troops would ever be involved in Ukraine. Americans have had enough. Europe needs to send their own sons to die in Ukraine. The US has lots of problems at home that are all well documented. Border disaster, drug deaths, China in Panama/Venezuela. I don't see NATO or Europe doing anything about our issues.
Parsad Posted January 14 Posted January 14 1 hour ago, Gregmal said: So then by this token, does Biden own pretty much all the “inflation”? I think we know “the numbers” and “the reality”. Well he can't own the inflation and not the job numbers like Trump kept stating...so yes, he owns the inflation too. But Trumpenstein can't have it both ways! Cheers!
Spekulatius Posted January 14 Posted January 14 (edited) 17 hours ago, dwy000 said: What youre saying is that the most vulnerable (however you want to define that) should not be offered credit, or only secured credit (secured by what if they are that vulnerqble?) Secured credit won’t work for the bottom of the economic ladder because they don’t have the cash to secure credit. That’s the reason why they are in the hole to begin with. If they could manage cash flows, they could just do with debit card and no secured credit would be needed. Edited January 14 by Spekulatius
TwoCitiesCapital Posted January 14 Posted January 14 19 hours ago, John Hjorth said: Not that @Mephistopheles is wrong here, but just the thought of such a switch is in its nature so absurd, that it makes me squint-eyed, crosseyed. I've just got out of bed at 7 AM, I think I'll switch to reading the days newspapers in stead, this is just too demanding, too early for me. [<-] Any more absurd than the party of free markets and limited government pushing tarriffs, interest rate caps, and legislating your bedroom?
Mephistopheles Posted January 14 Posted January 14 3 hours ago, TwoCitiesCapital said: Any more absurd than the party of free markets and limited government pushing tarriffs, interest rate caps, and legislating your bedroom? And how about the 2nd amendment party now worshipping a tyrant and his Gestapo, unwarranted searches and seizures and lack of due process? What happened to all the free market libertarians?
Parsad Posted January 14 Posted January 14 Tariffs are working awesome! Cheers! https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/13/business/china-record-trade-surplus-despite-tariffs-intl-hnk
Luke Posted January 14 Posted January 14 I pray Trump gets impeached after he loses the midterms - he is too dangerous to be kept in office.
Luke Posted January 14 Posted January 14 11 hours ago, Parsad said: Well he can't own the inflation and not the job numbers like Trump kept stating...so yes, he owns the inflation too. But Trumpenstein can't have it both ways! Cheers! Remember how he lied in front of Powell by adding an old building to the calculations to make it look more expensive to make a case? I am sure Trump would manipulate more numbers if he could...pathological lying everywhere.
John Hjorth Posted January 14 Posted January 14 (edited) https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115893255826342514 Again, surreal! - - - o 0 o - - - -By now, less than two hours to meeting in White House West Wing between J. D. Vance and Danish Minister of Foreign Affairs Lars Løkke Rasmussen and Vivian Motzfeldt, the Greenlandic Home Rule! Edited January 14 by John Hjorth
73 Reds Posted January 14 Posted January 14 12 hours ago, Spekulatius said: Secured credit won’t work for the bottom of the economic ladder because they don’t have the cash to secure credit. That’s the reason why they are in the hole to begin with. If they could manage cash flows, they could just do with debit card and no secured credit would be needed. Nah, that's just a convenient excuse. When the bottom tier recognizes that credit requires setting something aside ahead of time, they'll find a way to do it if obtaining credit is important enough. If it isn't, the excuse opponents keep making that those folks will not be able to get credit is just that - a sorry excuse. People here, of all places should recognize that excuses suck.
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