TwoCitiesCapital Posted January 3 Posted January 3 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Marco Van Basten said: Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and move to Russia or North Korea? I wll be happy to pay for your ticket if you stay there at least till 2029. A couple more years of this level of fascism and violent military action to enforce one mans ambitions, we won't be much different. Trump is already dismantling media/news, he's neutered the courts, he's brazenly committing crimes both here and abroad, and y'all get off to it because he's your guy. I always wondered in school how Germans could've allowed Hitler to happen. Watching the right pander to a child diddling fascist has made it pretty clear how easily these things actually happen. 56 minutes ago, changegonnacome said: 100%…..your standard Republican voter is not a cultist….the reality is that Donald’s genius was to engage a group heretofore disengaged voters and never voted to add to the GOP vote…his control over the whole GOP comes from their knowledge that without this incremental Trump personality ‘cult’ voter the GOP just wouldn’t have had the numbers to make the WH viable in 2016, 2020 & 2024. It's still somewhat debatable if it was enough in 2024. Trump has declared every election to have been rigged - even those he's won. Perhaps someone is protesting too much... 56 minutes ago, changegonnacome said: @73 Reds is 100% right…..a lazy democrat just see’s Trump cult supporters on the other side ….the reality is the cultists are a very small tribe within that….but they’ve given Trump a huge amount of leverage over the GOP as a whole. I live in middle America. I don't know what numbers to put on it, but it's NOT a small minority. Even seemingly intelligent people who voted for him to drain the swamp and rightly complained about Hunter Biden's influence on his father are tripping over themselves to justify Trump's enrichment of himself, his gifts from foreign governments, and how all of the companies his sons get involved with seem to find government contract awards. When you can't see the truth and you can't call out specific actions of your celebrity President, even when they go against everything he told you on the campaign trail (like Epstein), then you're part of the cult. And that's the vast majority of people I encounter here who still support him. Is a lot of disillusioned white men afraid of women and minorities for exposing their mediocrity and blaming "welfare queens" for stealing unearned tax dollars without realizing every blue city subsidizes it's red rural areas Edited January 3 by TwoCitiesCapital
TwoCitiesCapital Posted January 3 Posted January 3 27 minutes ago, cubsfan said: Truly a historic day, especially here on CoFB, whereby our leftist nut-bags lament the capture of a murderous narco terrorist. You really can't make this stuff up! Rather a leftist nut bag than constantly gagging on Trump's nut bag. Your jaw ever get sore?
cubsfan Posted January 3 Posted January 3 14 minutes ago, TwoCitiesCapital said: A couple more years of this level of fascism and violent military action to enforce one mans ambitions, we won't be much different. Trump is already dismantling media/news, he's neutered the courts, he's brazenly committing crimes both here and abroad, and y'all get off to it because he's your guy. I always wondered in school how Germans could've allowed Hitler to happen. Watching the right pander to a child diddling fascist has made it pretty clear how easily these things actually happen. It's still somewhat debatable if it was enough in 2024. Trump has declared every election to have been rigged - even those he's won. Perhaps someone is protesting too much... I live in middle America. I don't know what numbers to put on it, but it's NOT a small minority. Even seemingly intelligent people who voted for him to drain the swamp and rightly complained about Hunter Biden's influence on his father are tripping over themselves to justify Trump's enrichment of himself, his gifts from foreign governments, and how all of the companies his sons get involved with seem to find government contract awards. When you can't see the truth and you can't call out specific actions of your celebrity President, even when they go against everything he told you on the campaign trail (like Epstein), then you're part of the cult. And that's the vast majority of people I encounter here who still support him. Is a lot of disillusioned white men afraid of women and minorities for exposing their mediocrity and blaming "welfare queens" for stealing unearned tax dollars without realizing every blue city subsidizes it's red rural areas You got some serious TDS going on there brother. Things were going soooo well under Biden !
cubsfan Posted January 3 Posted January 3 Just now, TwoCitiesCapital said: Rather a leftist nut bag than constantly gagging on Trump's nut bag. Your jaw ever get sore? I really never get tired of watching losers lose it over obvious wins for the country. Per usual, the LEFT is on the opposite side of every 80/20 issue. -Cheering for trannies -Celebrating kid's castrations -Wishing your narco terrorist dictator was still in control You guys never learn.
TwoCitiesCapital Posted January 3 Posted January 3 2 minutes ago, cubsfan said: You got some serious TDS going on there brother. Things were going soooo well under Biden ! The only consistent truth is that the only people who capture the right wing cultist fixation similarly to Trump are Biden, and to a lesser extent today, Obama. Even though neither of them ran this last election, and both of them had stock markets that outperformed their Republican predecessors.... Why the fixation? Are they also regulars in your fantasies? I hear Trump has a thing for Bubba himself.
dealraker Posted January 3 Posted January 3 41 minutes ago, cubsfan said: Truly a historic day, especially here on CoFB, whereby our leftist nut-bags lament the capture of a murderous narco terrorist. You really can't make this stuff up! I was thinking that those seeking ideal life in the St Joe area might now be able to choose Venezuela? What ya think cubs?
John Hjorth Posted January 3 Posted January 3 31 minutes ago, whatstheofficerproblem said: Well, what happened in VZ today was for XOM. They had to move out of VZ in 2007, so they move ops to Guyana and to their surprise find rich oil reserves there in 2015. Now Maduro starts claiming Guyana's oil as his and the whole thing is a shitshow. Maduro then doubles down and deploys military in 2024 on the Guyana border in plans to sabotage XOM's extraction of it. Rubio in March of 2025 warns that if Maduro plans to use military then things will escalate. Our boy Rex Tillerson is the CEO of XOM who resigns a year before Trump gets elected and becomes the secretary of state during first term. Well, well, well. I have talked to a few folks from VZ. Most of them are happy, this was an inside job, his VP now became the puppet president. Two things can be true, Maduro is a piece of shit who ruined a beautiful country but at the same time I would be wary of Manifest Destiny warriors who have vested interests not in the people but resources. 34 minutes ago, whatstheofficerproblem said: ... I have talked to a few folks from VZ. Most of them are happy, this was an inside job, his VP now became the puppet president. Two things can be true, Maduro is a piece of shit who ruined a beautiful country but at the same time I would be wary of Manifest Destiny warriors who have vested interests not in the people but resources. Awesome post, @whatstheofficerproblem, As far as I've understood, it took him about 12 years ... - isen't that really something?! - -At least to me, really amazing, perhaps even hard to beat for the dumbest scoundrel of all scoundrels? Cheers, and Happy New Year!
Sweet Posted January 3 Posted January 3 Find it strange that there’s little talk about the right and wrong. Take the international law argument. The EU Convention of human rights. Initially envisaged as being aware to control the laws of war and for immigration within Europe, it’s been bastardised such that’s we can’t deport people who enter Europe illegally, or to give prisoners the vote. The UN too, the goal of being set up to help peace is a good thing obviously, but we have dictators and some of the biggest human rights abusers on the security council. Iran chairing a meeting women’s rights lol. Where do people stand on this board? Are you pro-freedom, pro-free speech, pro-elections, pro-rights? Then your political adversary, for want of a better word, are those against that. If you claim to believe in those things but think people should be put in jail for hurty words you may be the problem. Maduro was against those things, I’m glad he’s gone, and Trump was right to remove him. Hopefully it works out for VZ. If your argument was we must follow international law while Maduro follows none, have a look at yourself and history. Should the West be the only place to follow international law whilst our adversaries sneak around undermining us? Obviously not. Can we maintain our values while replacing our people and culture? No. Can we be wimps against domestic threats, such as allowing a literal communist party in our country, for fear outlawing it undermines ‘democracy’. I have a concern too, one long held, I don’t actually know Trump’s values. What’s he for - seriously? Maduro gone - good - where’s the limit to military intervention? If you know your values, you can look around the world and know your friends. So why can’t Trump recognise Ukraine as a friend? So yeh, complicated moment.
cubsfan Posted January 3 Posted January 3 10 minutes ago, TB said: Venezuela GDP crashed 75% under the socialists, 25% of the population fled the country. There was no law and order and many Venezuelans lives were destroyed by the socialists. But, but, but,,,, Trump is such a bad guy!! LOL
dealraker Posted January 3 Posted January 3 10 minutes ago, TB said: Venezuela GDP crashed 75% under the socialists, 25% of the population fled the country. There was no law and order and many Venezuelans lives were destroyed by the socialists. Agree, and the libs from the US caused it all. Thus it is up to Trump to fix the big V too. Honestly now that all the problems in the US are in remission because of Trump, I think we should go 'round the world fixing other countries. Cubs has nailed it all along; all things are solved quickly with Trump!
Spooky Posted January 3 Posted January 3 I'm starting to doubt the credibility of the FIFA peace prize.
SharperDingaan Posted January 3 Posted January 3 (edited) 3 hours ago, changegonnacome said: This is what a true congenital narcissist looks like....as I've said above....his last two years in office are gonna be WILD on the international front for sure....a narcissist facing impending irrelevance while simultaneously staring down the barrel of his own mortality (the final irrelevance) is not going to let this last two years of relevance on Earth slip by quietly. That is not how someone with this pathology would act. Trump is a hell of a change agent, and it hasn't necessarily been a bad thing, but one has to think that it just doesn't end well for him. With Trumps age and health, it would seem that he either has a 1) Biden style seniors moment that can't be airbrushed away, 2) attempts to force a constitutional change, that results in a 3rd presidency, or 3) exits as a martyr that echo's down history. American Caesar is about the best that he can aim for; the only questions are the how and when. Whether the change is good or bad, is just an opinion. However, to your point, extreme volatility is likely to be the norm for a time, and it is to the investor to capitalise on the hopefully only twice in a century opportunity [ie: the WW1, WW2 of the 1900's]. Gains have to be stored somewhere; that global interest in gold and BTC ..... is for a reason. Have to think that sometime in the next few months, is a Putin snatch of Zelenski in an attempt to end the Ukrainian war. According to the Donroe Doctrine, Trump wouldn't intervene. Shitty way to turn a profit, but it is what it is. SD Edited January 3 by SharperDingaan
dealraker Posted January 3 Posted January 3 I went to Venezuela during the 1980's when life was good there...supposedly. Didn't seem much that way to me.
Gregmal Posted January 4 Posted January 4 32 minutes ago, Sweet said: Where do people stand on this board? lol, this issue again! I believe they’ve made clear they’re “against Trump!”….
cubsfan Posted January 4 Posted January 4 33 minutes ago, dealraker said: Cubs has nailed it all along; all things are solved quickly with Trump! And with that statement, Colonel Sink is looking down upon you smiling - now there was a patriot!
whatstheofficerproblem Posted January 4 Posted January 4 I find all the left vs right discourse amusing. Both parties have and always will bow to the A. Biden was literally tweeting that Trump endorses dictators like Maduro while he stands with Venezuelans. Also, wasn't it only a year ago that Biden admin offered $25M in return for incriminating data on Maduro? This isn't about Trump or Biden or even Venezuelans. This is about Oil, the petrodollar. And if we are able to topple a dictator in pursuit of that goal then all the better. Make no mistake this would have happened inevitably. Most Americans don't realize what the A is capable of. As much as some of the things they do in Asia and Africa repulse me, I do believe, strongly so, in a nation's right to act in it's own interests. The hypocrisy is what annoys me. For example, India is bad for buying Oil from Russia because they are invading Ukraine, but US is right for doing a regime change for oil.
Spooky Posted January 4 Posted January 4 At least this time the US is openly saying it is about the oil. It is not about "narco terrorism" whatever that means. It is also not about the Venezuelan people.
Sweet Posted January 4 Posted January 4 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Gregmal said: lol, this issue again! I believe they’ve made clear they’re “against Trump!”…. Kinda sad if that’s the case, but other than some vague and poor argument about international law, I’m not actually seeing an argument other than… as you say… ‘Trump bad’. Edited January 4 by Sweet
John Hjorth Posted January 4 Posted January 4 5 hours ago, 73 Reds said: So I'll take that as a "No". Pesky details; they tend to get in the way of a narrative. At last check countries like Greenland weren't conducting narco-terrorism operations against the US. Geez, @73 Reds, Who has told you that Greenland is a country? Where have you got that from? You obviously have opinions about things you have absolutely no clue - master no basic conceptual insights, 101-basic facts - about! - No knowledge, at all - It seems! - - - o 0 o - - - Like Mike [ @cubsfan ] posted not so long ago today, in one of his usual 'half liners' : "Who cares", right? - - - o 0 o - - - -So, let's just flood CofB&F with nonsense, rubbish!
cubsfan Posted January 4 Posted January 4 5 minutes ago, John Hjorth said: Geez, @73 Reds, Who has told you that Greenland is a country? Where have you got that from? You obviously have opinions about things you have absolutely no clue - master no basic conceptual insights, 101-basic facts - about! - No knowledge, at all - It seems! - - - o 0 o - - - Like Mike [ @cubsfan ] posted not so long ago today, in one of his usual 'half liners' : "Who cares", right? - - - o 0 o - - - -So, let's just flood CofB&F with nonsense, rubbish! I guess that makes Denmark an evil colonizer exploiting poor old Greenland!
dwy000 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 43 minutes ago, Sweet said: Kinda sad if that’s the case, but other than some vague and poor argument about international law, I’m not actually seeing an argument other than… as you say… ‘Trump bad’. Its against US law. Susan Wiles even stated 2 weeks ago that any action on the ground in Venezuela would require congressional approval.
RichardGibbons Posted January 4 Posted January 4 34 minutes ago, Sweet said: Kinda sad if that’s the case, but other than some vague and poor argument about international law, I’m not actually seeing an argument other than… as you say… ‘Trump bad’. The answer is that the western world has been incredibly successful under the rules-based international order. It lead to unprecedented peace and prosperity for westerners, to the extent that westerners believe that peace and prosperity is the norm. Disrupting that order has the potential for chaos and really bad outcomes for westerners (wars, lower standards of living, reduction in freedoms, assassinations of leaders....) Risking that amazing prosperity for something that isn't that important is a terrible idea. And yeah, you may believe that's just handwaving, but I think one must recognize that increasing chaos in the world is a really bad strategy for the people who are massive winners in the existing political order. Maybe everything doesn't fall apart, but taking the risk when you're already way ahead is still a bad bet. It's roughly the same as Buffett's statement, paraphrased roughly as, "why the fuck would I play Russian roulette for any amount of money and any arbitrarily large number bullets when I'm already a multi-billionaire?"
dealraker Posted January 4 Posted January 4 51 minutes ago, cubsfan said: And with that statement, Colonel Sink is looking down upon you smiling - now there was a patriot! Hell cubs you've got your standard super energetic 80 year old out leading a country takeover with none other the Marco Rubio in his shadow waiting to take charge. I mean, my lord, who could ever hope for a more accomplished duo to quickly fix Venezuela. Marco...with his quivering fearful voice...and his endless bend-over-and-take it up the ass from Trump. It is a perfect world we live in now, like you I feel the power!
cubsfan Posted January 4 Posted January 4 4 minutes ago, dwy000 said: Its against US law. Susan Wiles even stated 2 weeks ago that any action on the ground in Venezuela would require congressional approval. Damn, I was hoping you would not say that. Now we need to put Barrack Obama in prison for attacking Libya without congressional approval. I always knew Obama was a dictator!
TwoCitiesCapital Posted January 4 Posted January 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sweet said: Find it strange that there’s little talk about the right and wrong. Right is what Trump does. Wrong is anything said by liberals. It's easy in MAGA-land. Most of the people here aren't defending Maduro - they're defending against the ideas of extrajudicial murders and targeting of civilian crafts, non-sanctioned invasions, and kidnapping world leaders i.e. things that are wrong regardless of who the target is and who is committing them. There's been a long line for Presidents on the right and left which committed similar actions - Trump isn't alone here. Just another on a long list of sins from this shit stain of a President. 1 hour ago, Sweet said: Where do people stand on this board? Are you pro-freedom, pro-free speech, pro-elections, pro-rights? Then your political adversary, for want of a better word, are those against that. If you claim to believe in those things but think people should be put in jail for hurty words you may be the problem. I'm very much the libertarian stand that your rights end where someone else's begin. Trump doesn't have the right to invade sovereign nations to do as he pleases - even if those sovereign nations are run by bad guys. 1 hour ago, Sweet said: Maduro was against those things, I’m glad he’s gone, and Trump was right to remove him. Hopefully it works out for VZ. If your argument was we must follow international law while Maduro follows none, have a look at yourself and history. Should the West be the only place to follow international law whilst our adversaries sneak around undermining us? Ends don't justify means. Unless if a direct threat to us, we shouldn't involve ourselves. The Venezuelans, or their neighbors, have more of a right to govern and engage here. If they didn't like Maduro, they should be the ones to do something about it. If that's being done, and there are ways we can provide aid, I'm ok with that. But unilaterally installing leaders and taking them out based on our political whims? Hasn't worked out so great for us over the decades as it often ends up the guys we installed are the bad guys we later removed. 1 hour ago, Sweet said: Where’s the limit to military intervention? If you know your values, you can look around the world and know your friends. So why can’t Trump recognise Ukraine as a friend? So yeh, complicated moment. Trump's value is himself and his own interests and the Republican party only cares about "winning" and has abandoned all of their principles to do it in support of him. It's why he can run on releasing the Epstein files and then fight with every fiber of political capital to prevent it from happening. It's why he can run on not involving us in foreign wars while bombing Iran and Venezuela and selling arms to Israel less than a year into his term. It's why he can promise to balance the budget while running the largest ever peace time deficits outside of recessions....for a SECOND time!!! There's no guiding principals except what Trump wants and that changes with the wind. And the Republicans contort themselves into pretzels to defend it because their whole identity is wrapped up in this guy because there's nothing else to wrap it in - they've abandoned every principal the party used to stand for and it is ONLY Trump's party now. Edited January 4 by TwoCitiesCapital
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