Luke Posted January 3 Posted January 3 (edited) 1 hour ago, TwoCitiesCapital said: It's crazy to think that the 'small government' and 'law-and-order' Republicans are now the ones bowing at the altar of strong-man dictators doing whatever they please. Crazy how one can go from "don't tread on me" to "stomp a little harder, Trump-daddy" Yeah its insane. 1 hour ago, cubsfan said: I just love how all you guys talk about Trump being a dictator, when he exercises his Presidential authorities, vs a "do nothing" congress that never does a damn thing. Trump continues to clean up in the Supreme Court as almost all the legal challenges back up his actions. You guys just can't stand it! I am sure that you will find a way to justify the Greenland invasion also when its coming And why shouldnt he take over Denmark too right? Leadership was weak and they didnt do the right thing for their people right? And Mexico was making drugs that went into the US right? And China wanted to attack Taiwan right? And Germany did not have the freedom of speech they should have right? Edited January 3 by Luke
cubsfan Posted January 3 Posted January 3 11 minutes ago, John Hjorth said: Mike [ @cubsfan ], What's the difference between POTUS and, say, Putin or Maduro? It's all the logic of war! [Here : All while USA diden't declare war against Venezuela, in advance of this annexation. Careful John - Trump press conference over now. Venezuela is going to be the 51st state. Maybe Greenland and Canada number 52 and 53! LOL
SharperDingaan Posted January 3 Posted January 3 18 minutes ago, cubsfan said: Hey, maybe the 3rd time is a charm. Don't give up, there are plenty of nut bags out there willing to assassinate Trump or other "MAGA" figures. Until then, you'll just have to suffer Make America Great Again. 3 more years of hell for you and the MAGA haters. What I really love about you guys is you can't point out any illegal actions - just, he's a dictator, war criminal and has an illegitimate SCOTUS. Must be frustrating as hell. Nah!, we love Orange Boy ... all that volatility that he creates . SD
Sweet Posted January 3 Posted January 3 Crazy operation, the ambition of it, and the fact it seeks to go on without a hitch.
John Hjorth Posted January 3 Posted January 3 2 minutes ago, cubsfan said: Careful John - Trump press conference over now. Venezuela is going to be the 51st state. Maybe Greenland and Canada number 52 and 53! LOL Mike [ @cubsfan ], Are you above sarcastic, or not? Pretty simple and basic question from me, which I hereby kindly ask you to reply on - so I can read and think about your thoughts - so to say - on your par - straight out. So, please drop the sarcasm here by replying!!
UK Posted January 3 Posted January 3 (edited) 48 minutes ago, John Hjorth said: Mike [ @cubsfan ], What's the difference between POTUS and, say, Putin or Maduro? It's all the logic of war! [Here : All while USA diden't declare war against Venezuela, in advance of this annexation.] For me, I think I could live allright under Trump...not quite under two other alternatives:)) Edited January 3 by UK
UK Posted January 3 Posted January 3 13 minutes ago, Sweet said: Crazy operation, the ambition of it, and the fact it seeks to go on without a hitch. The smoothiness was really strange. Perhaps Maduro was already sold by his generals...
Sweet Posted January 3 Posted January 3 (edited) 18 minutes ago, UK said: The smoothiness was really strange. Perhaps Maduro was already sold by his generals... Yes, possible, maybe likely. Also: Edited January 3 by Sweet
TwoCitiesCapital Posted January 3 Posted January 3 1 hour ago, changegonnacome said: Its also funny to watch thesis creep in real time on X - all these MAGA guys completely disgusted by decades of foreign escapades by US Presidents vote in Trump on a defacto isolationist & non-interventionist platform. A year and change later....Trump has unilaterally attacked Iran and executed full regime change in Venezuela while saying the US will now "run" Venezuela....and the X MAGA crowd cheer on in support. Kinda confirms, if any confirmation was needed the personality cult aspect of MAGA. That's because it was never about principals or actual policies. It was about feeling like they were "big and strong" because they believed Trump to be "big and strong". Which is exactly why they'll contort themselves into pretzels justifying this - because disagreeing with Trump is tantamount to destroying their own self image since worshipping him has become their entire personality. 56 minutes ago, John Hjorth said: Mike [ @cubsfan ], What's the difference between POTUS and, say, Putin or Maduro? It's all the logic of war! [Here : All while USA diden't declare war against Venezuela, in advance of this annexation.] There is no difference except they like Trump. So doing similar things to Trump WOULD be a war crime. When Trump does it to others, it's admirable. They're fighting for a world where "right and wrong" aren't absolutes to be judged, but the whims of the most violent/dangerous men. 2 minutes ago, Haryana said: USA has veto on UNSC and Trump has veto on Congress. He is probably the last person to worry about legality by now. The Man is the King of Kings. His word is action and the Law. He was never worried about it which is why he and his administration broke so many laws the first time around. He asked if the National Guard could shoot the protestors sitting in the park during Covid/George Floyd....legality was never his M.O.
TwoCitiesCapital Posted January 3 Posted January 3 Trump has said the U.S. will run Venezuela, Machado doesn't have the strength or respect to lead Venezuela (i.e. suggesting the last elections were, in fact, legitimate?), and that we will be sending in companies to build out the oil infrastructure. He's not even pretending this wasn't about the oil and pillaging Venezuela for it....
Luke Posted January 3 Posted January 3 (edited) NATO is over. We europeans have to arm up also to protect us from an agressive US that aims to take over greenland and might not even stop there. This invasion in Venezuela was just the start - Trump is dangerous. I dont agree with her often but she is right with this one. Edited January 3 by Luke
73 Reds Posted January 3 Posted January 3 9 minutes ago, Luke said: NATO is over. We europeans have to arm up also to protect us from an agressive US that aims to take over greenland and might not even stop there. This invasion in Venezuela was just the start - Trump is dangerous. I dont agree with her often but she is right with this one. Did you read the Indictment?
Luke Posted January 3 Posted January 3 8 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Did you read the Indictment? "kidnapping" a sitting head of state is a violation of international norms, regardless of the charges against him.
TwoCitiesCapital Posted January 3 Posted January 3 1 minute ago, Luke said: "kidnapping" a sitting head of state is a violation of international norms, regardless of the charges against him. Trump is a convicted felon as well. Maybe Reds would be ok with someone coming onto U.S. soil and kidnapping him? You know, to at least remain consistent in his views of why this is ok....
73 Reds Posted January 3 Posted January 3 Just now, Luke said: "kidnapping" a sitting head of state is a violation of international norms, regardless of the charges against him. So I'll take that as a "No". Pesky details; they tend to get in the way of a narrative. At last check countries like Greenland weren't conducting narco-terrorism operations against the US.
73 Reds Posted January 3 Posted January 3 1 minute ago, TwoCitiesCapital said: Trump is a convicted felon as well. Maybe Reds would be ok with someone coming onto U.S. soil and kidnapping him? You know, to at least remain consistent in his views of why this is ok.... Back to that, are we? C'mon I know you can do better than that!
Luke Posted January 3 Posted January 3 (edited) 3 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: So I'll take that as a "No". Pesky details; they tend to get in the way of a narrative. At last check countries like Greenland weren't conducting narco-terrorism operations against the US. The UN was founded in 1945 after tragic ww2 with a clear goal: to prevent the "scourge of war" by ensuring that no single nation could act as judge, jury, and executioner on the global stage. By bypassing the UN and the U.S. Senate to forcibly remove a foreign leader he is dismantling the very international order that was built to prevent another global conflict. If we decide that sovereignty only matters when we agree with the leader in power, then international law effectively ceases to exist. Trump also with his comments on greenland is effectively doing that and moves on the same level of people like vladimir putin. So what we are witnessing in 2026 is actually a dismantlement of an international order that created the peace and prosperity for decades. Edited January 3 by Luke
73 Reds Posted January 3 Posted January 3 Just now, Luke said: The UN was founded in 1945 after tragic ww2 with a clear goal: to prevent the "scourge of war" by ensuring that no single nation could act as judge, jury, and executioner on the global stage. By bypassing the UN and the U.S. Senate to forcibly remove a foreign leader he is dismantling the very international order that was built to prevent another global conflict. If we decide that sovereignty only matters when we agree with the leader in power, then international law effectively ceases to exist. Trump also with his comments on greenland is effectively doing that and moves on the same level of people like vladimir putin. The UN? What a feckless organization. Not surprised that is the basis of your argument. The US Senate will support the operation. But why argue the facts?
Luke Posted January 3 Posted January 3 Just now, 73 Reds said: The UN? What a feckless organization. Not surprised that is the basis of your argument. The US Senate will support the operation. But why argue the facts? Okay. Trump can do whatever he wants and there are no international norms we need to adhere to to do what we think is right. Got it!
73 Reds Posted January 3 Posted January 3 Just now, Luke said: Okay. Trump can do whatever he wants and there are no international norms we need to adhere to to do what we think is right. Got it! Again, you're creating fiction. We get it - you don't like Trump.
scorpioncapital Posted January 3 Posted January 3 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Luke said: Okay. Trump can do whatever he wants and there are no international norms we need to adhere to to do what we think is right. Got it! Yes you finally got it. Thank God! This is the age of action and initiative, not writing memos. if the EU doesn't want to be conquered by Russia it better do something other than write blog posts. (or in the case of Venezuela, not invite Russia, China, Iran into the Western Hemisphere, run a corrupt narco-state and send drugs to the US). Rubio said it well, the guy went crazy and too far. If you go too far, you will be taken out. Edited January 3 by scorpioncapital
Parsad Posted January 3 Posted January 3 2 hours ago, changegonnacome said: Its a good thing.....and its clearly Presidential overreach. Its also funny to watch thesis creep in real time on X - all these MAGA guys completely disgusted by decades of foreign escapades by US Presidents vote in Trump on a defacto isolationist & non-interventionist platform. A year and change later....Trump has unilaterally attacked Iran and executed full regime change in Venezuela while saying the US will now "run" Venezuela....and the X MAGA crowd cheer on in support. Kinda confirms, if any confirmation was needed the personality cult aspect of MAGA. All this BEFORE he becomes a domestic lame duck in 2027.....all I'll say is BUCKLE up folks!!........cause if you see Trump through a lens of a congenital narcissist (as I do) who needs to be the centre of attention at all times & then you realize his ability to do really consequential newsworthy things domestically is going away after the midterms (even before as SCOTUS seemingly clips his wings weekly now)......well you can see where his need to be the centre of attention will move to...and that's causing havoc & creating attention for himself on foreign matters. Get the popcorn out. Plus, no one is talking about Epstein or inflation today! He's getting exactly what he wanted...make his MAGA faithful believe he's doing this shit legally without starting more wars...ignore Epstein and goals that aren't being achieved...get control if not agreements for Venezuela's resources, as well as probably new contracts and agreements from most SA countries. Cheers!
dwy000 Posted January 3 Posted January 3 10 minutes ago, Luke said: Right - international law is dead. You're arguing with a cult. There is literally nothing Trump can do that cant or wont be justified regardless of how much it opposes views in place prior to Trump. Theres zero independent thought. Its truly a cult.
Parsad Posted January 3 Posted January 3 1 hour ago, Haryana said: USA has veto on UNSC and Trump has veto on Congress. He is probably the last person to worry about legality by now. The Man is the King of Kings. His word is action and the Law. The Constitution actually is meant to deter/prevent any dictator or monarch ruling the United States...no King of Kings! Cheers!
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