cubsfan Posted January 3 Posted January 3 3 hours ago, Parsad said: It's a good thing...but is it legal? The U.S. was not at war with Venezuela...no UN initiatives or sanctions against Venezuela...under what directive is this legal and not an act of war? I'm happy he is gone...but again, the U.S. is doing things that if not crossing the line, it certainly is straddling them! Cheers! Who cares. The US did the same thing with Manuel Noriega of Panama. FAFO
73 Reds Posted January 3 Posted January 3 (edited) 5 minutes ago, cubsfan said: Who cares. The US did the same thing with Manuel Noriega of Panama. FAFO Right. Why is it that a certain segment of the population always stands up for the bad guy and questions good vs. evil. Like clockwork, the Dems could not hold back. Meanwhile in NYC Mamdani will soon be inciting riots or worse and they will look the other way. Edited January 3 by 73 Reds spelling
Mephistopheles Posted January 3 Posted January 3 3 hours ago, Parsad said: It's a good thing...but is it legal? The U.S. was not at war with Venezuela...no UN initiatives or sanctions against Venezuela...under what directive is this legal and not an act of war? I'm happy he is gone...but again, the U.S. is doing things that if not crossing the line, it certainly is straddling them! Cheers! Probably more Presidents than not have done illegal shit with foreign policy. This worsened when Congress voluntarily gave up power after 9/11 to the benefit of the President. This was abused by every President since then, maybe except Biden. I’m glad it wasn’t a full scale invasion like Iraq!
cubsfan Posted January 3 Posted January 3 2 hours ago, John Hjorth said: It's certainly highly concerning! What are the coherent US political principles behind it? - Such does not exist. - Who or what is next? [*staring, gazing up to the North of USA*] We'll be sure to get permission from The Hague next time!
73 Reds Posted January 3 Posted January 3 12 minutes ago, cubsfan said: We'll be sure to get permission from The Hague next time! Another largely useless entity, LOL? Even World reaction is so predictable it is uncanny: Disdain from the usual misfits (Russia, Iran, Mexico) and two-faced reaction from the EU which can't seem to get out of its own way.
John Hjorth Posted January 3 Posted January 3 1 hour ago, cubsfan said: Who cares. The US did the same thing with Manuel Noriega of Panama. FAFO 58 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Right. Why is it that a certain segment of the population always stands up for the bad guy and questions good vs. evil. Like clockwork, the Dems could not hold back. Meanwhile in NYC Mamdani will soon be inciting riots or worse and they will look the other way. There exists actually a part of the planet called Earth, that is not ruled by POTUS, gentlemen.
LC Posted January 3 Posted January 3 So what's the real reason Trumpy deposed Madero? Certainly it's not for the sole goodness of the Venezuelan people. The obvious answer is that black goo that comes out of the ground, curious if anyone has a different perspective?
TwoCitiesCapital Posted January 3 Posted January 3 I grabbed all of these from the 2024 Republican Platform. "Respect our borders, but don't expect us to respect yours" "We want law an order - except when that means the President and his friends can't do what they want" "Drill baby drill --- err, actually, let's bomb Venezuela and Iran" /sarcasm
73 Reds Posted January 3 Posted January 3 2 minutes ago, LC said: So what's the real reason Trumpy deposed Madero? Certainly it's not for the sole goodness of the Venezuelan people. The obvious answer is that black goo that comes out of the ground, curious if anyone has a different perspective? Too many arepas being exported to the US.
cubsfan Posted January 3 Posted January 3 15 minutes ago, John Hjorth said: There exists actually a part of the planet called Earth, that is not ruled by POTUS, gentlemen. Reality is that Europe is used to weak leaders as we are seeing with your actions in the Ukraine fight.
changegonnacome Posted January 3 Posted January 3 13 minutes ago, LC said: The obvious answer is that black goo The thick black heavy goo type matters most for refinery capacity in the US....Venezuela has this type in droves. Trump promised lower prices at the pumps.....promises made, promises kept
TwoCitiesCapital Posted January 3 Posted January 3 It's crazy to think that the 'small government' and 'law-and-order' Republicans are now the ones bowing at the altar of strong-man dictators doing whatever they please. Crazy how one can go from "don't tread on me" to "stomp a little harder, Trump-daddy"
backtothebeach Posted January 3 Posted January 3 11 minutes ago, cubsfan said: Reality is that Europe is used to weak leaders as we are seeing with your actions in the Ukraine fight.
cubsfan Posted January 3 Posted January 3 Just now, TwoCitiesCapital said: It's crazy to think that the 'small government' and 'law-and-order' Republicans are now the ones bowing at the altar of strong-man dictators doing whatever they please. Crazy how one can go from "don't tread on me" to "stomp a little harder, Trump-daddy" I just love how all you guys talk about Trump being a dictator, when he exercises his Presidential authorities, vs a "do nothing" congress that never does a damn thing. Trump continues to clean up in the Supreme Court as almost all the legal challenges back up his actions. You guys just can't stand it!
cubsfan Posted January 3 Posted January 3 2 minutes ago, backtothebeach said: Macron - the poster child for European feckless leadership - the worst of the empty suits!
TwoCitiesCapital Posted January 3 Posted January 3 5 minutes ago, cubsfan said: I just love how all you guys talk about Trump being a dictator, when he commits war crimes vs a "do nothing" congress that didn't vote to invade/bomb another sovereign nation or to commit war crimes. Trump continues to get the support of a Supreme Court that he stacked so almost all the legal challenges back up his actions. You guys just can't stand the Republican hypocrisy on things like law-and-order and sovereign borders being respected I made some edits for you.
cubsfan Posted January 3 Posted January 3 Just now, TwoCitiesCapital said: I made some edits for you. That's pretty funny actually, just proves my point. You got it all figured out - war criminal & dictator. Keep talking!
SharperDingaan Posted January 3 Posted January 3 (edited) The war in the Ukraine would stop tomorrow, were either Putin or Zelenski extradited/assassinated by special forces tomorrow. A lot quicker, more effective, and cheaper ... if the world is willing to tolerate it. Similarly, were Trump to experience something similar ... the current unrest in the Middle East and South America, would immediately die down. Assassination has long been a tool of 'statecraft' through the ages, and is no longer used for very good reason. We're all a lot safer when there are multiple competitors, versus just one 'almighty'. SD Edited January 3 by SharperDingaan
cubsfan Posted January 3 Posted January 3 2 minutes ago, SharperDingaan said: The war in the Ukraine would stop tomorrow, were Putin/Zelenski extradited/assassinated by special forces tomorrow. A lot quicker, more effective, and cheaper ... if the world is willing to tolerate it. Similarly, were Trump to experience something similar ... the unrest in the Middle East and South America would immediately die down. Assassination has long been a tool of 'statecraft' through the ages, and is no longer used for very good reason. We're all a lot safer when there are multiple competitors, versus just one 'almighty'. SD Ah, so you're ok with Trump being assassinated?
changegonnacome Posted January 3 Posted January 3 (edited) 6 hours ago, Parsad said: It's a good thing...but is it legal? Its a good thing.....and its clearly Presidential overreach. Its also funny to watch thesis creep in real time on X - all these MAGA guys completely disgusted by decades of foreign escapades by US Presidents vote in Trump on a defacto isolationist & non-interventionist platform. A year and change later....Trump has unilaterally attacked Iran and executed full regime change in Venezuela while saying the US will now "run" Venezuela....and the X MAGA crowd cheer on in support. Kinda confirms, if any confirmation was needed the personality cult aspect of MAGA. All this BEFORE he becomes a domestic lame duck in 2027.....all I'll say is BUCKLE up folks!!........cause if you see Trump through a lens of a congenital narcissist (as I do) who needs to be the centre of attention at all times & then you realize his ability to do really consequential newsworthy things domestically is going away after the midterms (even before as SCOTUS seemingly clips his wings weekly now)......well you can see where his need to be the centre of attention will move to...and that's causing havoc & creating attention for himself on foreign matters. Get the popcorn out. Edited January 3 by changegonnacome
SharperDingaan Posted January 3 Posted January 3 (edited) 31 minutes ago, cubsfan said: Ah, so you're ok with Trump being assassinated? He's a frail old man, 80 yrs old, in failing health; and worth more as a 'martyr to a grateful nation' than as a lame duck president over the rest of his term. To date, 4 sitting US presidents have been assassinated, not counting the many near misses. Politics is a blood sport; even Caesar was assassinated by his own senators, to thunderous applause. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots We have rule of law for a reason, and nobody is above it ... not even a Trump or Putin. I just recognise that whatever resolution is applied to any one of them, could also be applied to the other, and that we're all better off if the world collectively rules out assassination as an unacceptable statecraft practice. SD Edited January 3 by SharperDingaan
UK Posted January 3 Posted January 3 7 hours ago, Spekulatius said: If Maduro is gone and the regime folds, it will be a very good thing. He deserves a thorough trial, preferably by its own people after they have elections . I guess it’s back to 1960’s interventionism. It’s a good thing if it works but the tail of intended consequences can be long. This is crazy, in a good way perhaps!, especially for US and maybe whole Latam region (Cuba next?). But yes, my imediate reaction/fear is this could also start open seasion in another places with another actors...
cubsfan Posted January 3 Posted January 3 3 minutes ago, SharperDingaan said: He's a frail old man, 80 yrs old, in failing health; and worth more as a 'martyr to a grateful nation' than as a lame duck president over the rest of his term. To date, 4 sitting US presidents have been assassinated, not counting the many near misses. Politics is a blood sport; even Caesar was assassinated by his own senators, to thunderous applause. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots We have rule of law for a reason, and nobody is above it ... not even a Trump or Putin. I just recognise that whatever resolution is applied to any one of them, could also be applied to the other, and that we're all better off if the world collectively rules out assassination as an unacceptable statecraft practice. SD Hey, maybe the 3rd time is a charm. Don't give up, there are plenty of nut bags out there willing to assassinate Trump or other "MAGA" figures. Until then, you'll just have to suffer Make America Great Again. 3 more years of hell for you and the MAGA haters. What I really love about you guys is you can't point out any illegal actions - just, he's a dictator, war criminal and has an illegitimate SCOTUS. Must be frustrating as hell.
John Hjorth Posted January 3 Posted January 3 (edited) 51 minutes ago, cubsfan said: Ah, so you're ok with Trump being assassinated? Mike [ @cubsfan ], What's the difference between POTUS and, say, Putin or Maduro? It's all the logic of war! [Here : All while USA diden't declare war against Venezuela, in advance of this annexation.] Edited January 3 by John Hjorth
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