Political Posts

[dwy000]

31 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

26% of the Black male vote, 46% of the hispanic vote, huge numbers of 18-30 year olds.

This middle class vote clinched the election. Democrats ignored and lost their base.

 

This winning coalition has one thing in common: They were all screwed by Biden administration.

 

 

@cubsfan can you name a single policy where you have thought for yourself and disagree with Trump?  A lot of the pushback is because its like watching Fox, just a spouting of the party line even if it makes no sense. 

[Luke]

Fox News removed the stock ticker first in 30 years, thatd something i only would have expected to happen in China frankly.

[Milu]

57 minutes ago, Spekulatius said:

I don’t think fining Musk is a good idea either, but I think Musk needs to rethink contracts for Starlink specifically due to security concerns. The other part of coin is accelerating Eutelsat as an alternative. 
Taking away Tesla subsidies should be fair game too since the US has specially targeted car imports and subsidies depend on being manufactured in the USA. There is the readied about Tesla cars manufactured within the EU which should not be treated differently. The boycotts hitting these hard enough anyways.

Ya I don't really have any issues about EU taking away or shifting subsidies to benefit their citizens as that's the competitive game all regions are playing. Where I do have issues is when it targets one firm specifically, rather than all. For example I don't know if there is any specific 'Tesla subsidies' that the EU operates, I know their is general EV subsidies that all EV companies can benefit from so they (we I should say, as I am European myself) can obviously change them however they like, but just ensure the rules apply to all companies, not just Tesla. Level playing field and all that.

[Sweet]

2 hours ago, SharperDingaan said:

 

If Musk wants to play in their sandbox, he pays the cover charge; no different to Orange Boy's if you want to sell in the US you pay the tariff.

 

If he doesn't pay ... it must be 'cause he can't afford it .. and the knives really come out. Supposedly worth bllions on paper .... but really ... all hat and no cattle. Same as Orange Boy.

 

SD

 

I’m from Europe, and I disagree.  Europe does have a problem with ‘free speech’ and ‘misinformation’.  Things Americans (and probably Canadians) say online could land European in trouble.

 

60 minutes did something on this recently - fast forward to 7 mins:

 

This is simply wrong.

 

Edited April 5, 2025 by Sweet

[Cigarbutt]

4 hours ago, Blake Hampton said:

You know I was thinking about this again and I had an interesting thought: Wouldn't the net effect from a country's tariffs effectively depend on their specific trade situation?

If you're a net exporter = deflationary?

If you're a net importer = inflationary?

Who knows? It's not even clear if this tariff policy will be maintained so...

What's clear is that reducing trade, overall, has a net negative effect.

Classic thinking suggests tariffs are inflationary but as mentioned before, previous similar historical episodes were associated with an overall deflationary result but then maybe the introduction of tariffs (to protect domestic interest) was more a symptom than a disease and the tariff noise now may be more a symptom than an underlying disease.

But you seem to be correct (net exporter vs...) concerning trade-dependent countries (high global trade to GDP). In countries such as Vietnam, despite attempts at adjustments, the deflationary forces (decreased demand etc) would even be larger than net importers.

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BTW, 19th century history is passé but it appears that President McKinley is a source of inspiration for tariffs (1890). Although not widely discussed presently, tariffs didn't do that well (economically, politically etc) and McKinley eventually realized that his brutal individualistic disruption tactic needed some adjustments.

[73 Reds]

31 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

@cubsfan can you name a single policy where you have thought for yourself and disagree with Trump?  A lot of the pushback is because its like watching Fox, just a spouting of the party line even if it makes no sense. 

Why do so many here treat Fox News like the enemy?  Don't folks understand that Fox News and Right Wing advocates like Rush Limbaugh came about solely as a reaction to a news media that had become entirely leftist?  I am old enough to recall the days of real newsmen - Walter Cronkite, Chet Huntley, even David Brinkley.  Sadly, those days are long gone.  Do all you critics believe everything you hear and read from other National news outlets?  Maybe their rapid decline in viewership/readership is simply a coincidence.  Or, maybe a lot of folks have rightfully learned not to trust them because of outlets like Fox News.  No one - not even the network itself suggests that most commentators on Fox News don't have an agenda.  How refreshing that at least they acknowledge it.   You can agree with them or not, no one really cares.  But endless complaining about people who happen to agree with most of the policies they support is as about as mindless as complaining about mainstream media.  

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[Blake Hampton]

Bottom line is we live in a silly, unserious country.

[ratiman]

This will be my first and possibly only politics post here at COBF but I think the way to understand Trump is that he's a real estate developer who sees allies & trading partners as suppliers & contractors who are constantly trying to overcharge him and rip him off. And his job is to play them off against one another and get the cheapest price. This might work in building an office building but it's the wrong approach to US trade relations. With luck congress will take back tariff man's authority before it gets out of hand.

[dwy000]

14 minutes ago, 73 Reds said:

Why do so many here treat Fox News like the enemy?  Don't folks understand that Fox News and Right Wing advocates like Rush Limbaugh came about solely as a reaction to a news media that had become entirely leftist?  I am old enough to recall the days of real newsmen - Walter Cronkite, Chet Huntley, even David Brinkley.  Sadly, those days are long gone.  Do all you critics believe everything you hear and read from other National news outlets?  Maybe their rapid decline in viewership/readership is simply a coincidence.  Or, maybe a lot of folks have rightfully learned not to trust them because of outlets like Fox News.  No one - not even the network itself suggests that most commentators on Fox News don't have an agenda.  How refreshing that at least they acknowledge it.   You can agree with them or not, no one really cares.  But endless complaining about people who happen to agree with most of the policies they support is as about as mindless as complaining about mainstream media.  

I haven't seen anyone on here spouting every talking point of CNN or even democratic policies in general.  This board is so great because almost everyone develops their own view and supports it. They don't have to agree at all but it comes from independent analysis not tv talking points. 

 

I'm old enough to remember that Sean Hannity got popular for having critical analysis and viewpoints that were based on common sense and equally eviscerated both sides - because they were independent views.  Then he went down the Trump rabbit hole and lost his ability to be independent.  He's no longer a commentator, he's a mouthpiece. 

 

Agreeing with most policies is fine. Agreeing with every policy means you have probably lost the ability to think independently.  When's the last time Hannity said Trump was wrong?  

Edited April 5, 2025 by dwy000

[John Hjorth]

4 minutes ago, Blake Hampton said:

Bottom line is we live in a silly, unserious country.

 

What [ch] country? - you seem to suffer from home bias. CofB&F is global!

[73 Reds]

1 minute ago, dwy000 said:

I haven't seen anyone on here spouting every talking point of CNN or even democratic policies in general.  This board is so great because almost everyone develops their own view and supports it. They don't have to agree at all but it comes from independent analysis not tv talking points. 

 

I'm old enough to remember that Sean Hannity got popular for having critical analysis and viewpoints that were based on common sense and equally eviscerated both sides - because they were independent views.  Then he went down the Trump rabbit hole and lost his ability to be independent.  He's no longer a commentator, he's a mouthpiece. 

Thank you - you just made my point.  You can choose who to agree with, or not.  Same as any other poster on this board.

[Blake Hampton]

Just now, John Hjorth said:

What [ch] country? - you seem to suffer from home bias. CofB&F is global!

 

Trumplandia

[dwy000]

Just now, 73 Reds said:

Thank you - you just made my point.  You can choose who to agree with, or not.  Same as any other poster on this board.

And that was the basis of my post. If you have any independent view, by all means state it!  But if you just repeat the party line without analysis it's of no value. 

[John Hjorth]

3 minutes ago, Blake Hampton said:

Trumplandia

 

Duly noted, for you.

Edited April 5, 2025 by John Hjorth

[73 Reds]

3 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

And that was the basis of my post. If you have any independent view, by all means state it!  But if you just repeat the party line without analysis it's of no value. 

Who appointed you to determine what is "independent"?  Cubs can speak for himself but I can recall many instances where his opinion is not as you suggest a "mouthpiece" for Fox News and clearly his own thoughts and opinion.    In any event, even if he does agree with Fox News, who says his thinking is not his own?

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[Blake Hampton]

I will trash on this moron until the day I die

[dwy000]

Just now, 73 Reds said:

Who appointed you to determine what is "independent"?  Cubs can speak for himself but I can recall many instances where his opinion is not as you suggest a "mouthpiece" for Fox News and clearly his own thoughts and opinion.  

Hence my post!  Which asked what policies of Trumps he disagrees with.

[73 Reds]

3 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

Hence my post!  Which asked what policies of Trumps he disagrees with.

Again and for the final time, who cares?

[dwy000]

1 minute ago, 73 Reds said:

Again and for the final time, who cares?

Well I do. Because i want to know if it is from a pre-Trump Hannnity point of view where i want to hear other perspectives or what I'm missing or where we might agree.  But if it's from a post-Trump Hannity I can put it on ignore because I know the story without having watch it. 

[Gregmal]

This has been the hapless but amusing game most Americans have been taught to play. Trash someone for a “Fox News/NYT” view, while spouting a “NYT/Fox News” piece as their reality lol. Fact is both are being played. 

[73 Reds]

Just now, dwy000 said:

Well I do. Because i want to know if it is from a pre-Trump Hannnity point of view where i want to hear other perspectives or what I'm missing or where we might agree.  But if it's from a post-Trump Hannity I can put it on ignore because I know the story without having watch it. 

LOL, I think Sanjeev created personal messenger for that reason.  Look, I'm not here to criticize you and please don't take this dialogue as such, but the personal attacks on many threads tend to undermine otherwise constructive conversations and really should end.  Peace.

[dwy000]

Just now, 73 Reds said:

LOL, I think Sanjeev created personal messenger for that reason.  Look, I'm not here to criticize you and please don't take this dialogue as such, but the personal attacks on many threads tend to undermine otherwise constructive conversations and really should end.  Peace.

That's a very, very valid comment. And I will stop any personal commentary.

 

Where it comes.from is that there are posters on this board i REALLY respect for their stock views and analysis.  There are others I respect for their political views (whether I agree or not).  And there are ones where I respect both.   It's a matter of, if i don't respect the political analysis, even if I agree with it, i really want to question how.much faith i want to put in the stock analysis. 

[73 Reds]

Just now, dwy000 said:

That's a very, very valid comment. And I will stop any personal commentary.

 

Where it comes.from is that there are posters on this board i REALLY respect for their stock views and analysis.  There are others I respect for their political views (whether I agree or not).  And there are ones where I respect both.   It's a matter of, if i don't respect the political analysis, even if I agree with it, i really want to question how.much faith i want to put in the stock analysis. 

+1

[SharperDingaan]

Views differ, and that's OK. We're just of the view that in a tariff war; Musk should be both selectively and collectively targeted, and put in the penalty box for a major. When you are a guest in the other guys country, it's not a debate; if you can't respect his laws/culture, he has every right to disbar you. The US currently deports hundreds of people every day, this is no different, and Musk ain't above everyone else.

 

SD 

[lnofeisone]

3 hours ago, Milu said:

I find some of these supposed caring liberals tactics of ‘going after’ musk, or taking glee in attempts to damage his businesses as bad as all the issues people complain about musk doing. What happened to the values you claim to represent, do these go out the window when somebody does something you don’t like?

EU doesn't need to target Musk. It's easy to reframe a tactic to be broad and applicable to everyone, but only aiming at one company. It's like putting out a job posting that anyone can apply for, but put some particular experience, so your pool of applicants is just the one person you want. See, it's easy to stay in the lane of values they represent and still be an a**hole in a way that resonates with Musk. That's the only thing Musk understands.