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[no_free_lunch]

1 hour ago, Dinar said:

Go read the thread and you will find it.  I have never been a fan of Putin nor do I think that the Russian invasion was justified.  

You however seem incapable of admitting that Shushkevich and Bandera were mass murderers, and committed genocide.  A nation that glorifies people who commit genocide, calls them national heroes and puts up their statues cannot expect sympathy from civilized people.  Its people yes, its government no!

Go search the thread and you will find what you are after but really I'm in no mood to placate.  I think this is a trumped up argument to distract from the murder and war brought on by RF this past year.  There are tens of thousands of dead civilians,  more every day but sure the real news is some Ukrainian joined the nazis 80 years ago.

 

If we want to look that far you will also see a pact with the soviets and nazi.  Where Poland was divided.   Thousands of poles killed.   That was all under Stalin in league with the nazis yes. 

[Dinar]

32 minutes ago, no_free_lunch said:

Go search the thread and you will find what you are after but really I'm in no mood to placate.  I think this is a trumped up argument to distract from the murder and war brought on by RF this past year.  There are tens of thousands of dead civilians,  more every day but sure the real news is some Ukrainian joined the nazis 80 years ago.

 

If we want to look that far you will also see a pact with the soviets and nazi.  Where Poland was divided.   Thousands of poles killed.   That was all under Stalin in league with the nazis yes. 

 

The Ukrainians that joined SS in World War II and murdered hundreds of thousands of Jews and Poles are considered national heroes.  That's not some Ukrainian, they are national heroes.  You worship genocidal maniacs?  That's your right, but do not expect the rest of the world to help a country that believes genocide is a good thing.  

 

[mcliu]

6 hours ago, no_free_lunch said:

Where were your guys criticism when Russia murdered tens of thousands of Ukrainian civilians in Ukraine.  This link is just a one off and frankly Russia's wagner group has it's own nazi links.

 

 

If Russia were winning why would they reach for links to North Korea of all places?   What does this say about Russia?

Our tax dollars aren't going to Wagner, they're going to our politicians and to Ukraine. Why shouldn't it be a problem if these folks end up supporting extremists?

 

The longer this war drags on the more Ukrainians & Russians will die. Why aren't we trying to get Ukraine to negotiate for peace? France brokered a ceasefire between Georgia and Russia after 7 days, saving countless lives, why can't that happen here?

 

Does the West really care about Ukrainians or are we using them to give the finger to Russia? If we cared so much about Ukrainian lives, why don't we send our own troops instead?

[mcliu]

7 hours ago, no_free_lunch said:

If Russia were winning why would they reach for links to North Korea of all places?   What does this say about Russia?

The future is uncertain, especially for wars, so it's good to think probabilistically. In a downside scenario, Ukraine might not prevail. What happens then?

 

 

Edited September 25, 2023 by mcliu

[UK]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/15/opinion/ukraine-war-putin.html

[John Hjorth]

This topic has to me personally recently derailed totally into a trainwreck.

 

All this Nazi talk makes no sense to me. Would any of you posting in this topic blame a 1. or 2. order decendant of Adolf Hitler for Hitlers doings under WW2? -Or for that sake blaim it on any living person of German origin today? Come on - it makes no sense, and you all know it. In Europe, there are likely Nazis in every European country, even here in Denmark.

 

Also, in an other dimension the whole discussion going on in this topic is or has become one-dimensional [,as in "Europe is Europe"]. I'm here talking about the separation of, and distinction of :

 

1. Europe [Russia west the Ural mountains  is actually generally accepted as a part of Europe],

2. EU member [, or not] &

3. NATO member [, or not].

[Parsad]

Hmmm!

 

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/23/business/china-too-many-homes-for-1-4-billion-people-intl-hnk/index.html

 

Cheers!

[Parsad]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/china-developers-slump-most-since-025713139.html

 

Cheers!

[Dinar]

8 hours ago, John Hjorth said:

This topic has to me personally recently derailed totally into a trainwreck.

 

All this Nazi talk makes no sense to me. Would any of you posting in this topic blame a 1. or 2. order decendant of Adolf Hitler for Hitlers doings under WW2? -Or for that sake blaim it on any living person of German origin today? Come on - it makes no sense, and you all know it. In Europe, there are likely Nazis in every European country, even here in Denmark.

 

Also, in an other dimension the whole discussion going on in this topic is or has become one-dimensional [,as in "Europe is Europe"]. I'm here talking about the separation of, and distinction of :

 

1. Europe [Russia west the Ural mountains  is actually generally accepted as a part of Europe],

2. EU member [, or not] &

3. NATO member [, or not].

German government does NOT glorify Nazis, you do not see statues of Nazis in Germany.  Ukrainian government does.  That's a key difference for me.  

[no_free_lunch]

50 minutes ago, Dinar said:

German government does NOT glorify Nazis, you do not see statues of Nazis in Germany.  Ukrainian government does.  That's a key difference for me.  

There is a jewish leader in the country and a Muslim defense chief.

 

The other meme going is that Ukraine is run by Satanists.  I am not kidding. So it's run by Jewish Nazi Satanists according to these theories. 

 

Really this is all an obvious attempt to derail the conversation. These theories are made by fools and for a level of iq below anyone on this board.

 

Let's talk about the tens or hundreds of thousands killed this year and last.  This ongoing casualty count.  If all you got is some made up history I got nothing much else to say to you other than I know what you really are doing.   It's not to get to the bottom of current events. 

Edited September 25, 2023 by no_free_lunch

[Dinar]

32 minutes ago, no_free_lunch said:

There is a jewish leader in the country and a Muslim defense chief.

 

The other meme going is that Ukraine is run by Satanists.  I am not kidding. So it's run by Jewish Nazi Satanists according to these theories. 

 

Really this is all an obvious attempt to derail the conversation. These theories are made by fools and for a level of iq below anyone on this board.

 

Let's talk about the tens or hundreds of thousands killed this year and last.  This ongoing casualty count.  If all you got is some made up history I got nothing much else to say to you other than I know what you really are doing.   It's not to get to the bottom of current events. 

Made up history?  So Shushkevich and Bandera  and their men did not kill hundreds of thousands of Poles and Jews?  Their statues are not all over Ukraine?

[no_free_lunch]

One important part of the history is the mass murder of Ukrainians by the Soviets. 

 

 Early estimates of the death toll by scholars and government officials vary greatly. A joint statement to the United Nations signed by 25 countries in 2003 declared that 7–10 million died.^[e] However, current scholarship estimates a range significantly lower, with 3.5 to 5 million victims.^[8] The famine's widespread impact on Ukraine persists to this day. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

 

Pick your number, either way it was a genocide.

 

The soviet system continues to be honored in Russia..

[hillfronter83]

Ludashi is a Chinese software company trading in Hong Kong (ticker 3601). It's a net net with about 300 million RMB market cap and over 500 million cash and no debt on its BS. On 9/11/2023, it announced a board meeting and a special dividend. In the following week, Stock surged >70% from HKD1.1/share to HKD1.9/share. On 9/20/2023, stock price suddenly plunged more than 40% to HKD1.2/share with heavy volume. On 9/21/2023, the company announced that its major shareholder with over 30% shares had just dumped 12.77% of shares to the market. And then on 9/22/2023, the company announced that the board meeting is canceled and there will be no special dividend due to "unusual fluctuation in the price and trading volume of the shares of the Company".

 

Well played, insider!

[John Hjorth]

34 more. It's just so ugly. *Ugh*

 

 

[Spekulatius]

32 minutes ago, hillfronter83 said:

Ludashi is a Chinese software company trading in Hong Kong (ticker 3601). It's a net net with about 300 million RMB market cap and over 500 million cash and no debt on its BS. On 9/11/2023, it announced a board meeting and a special dividend. In the following week, Stock surged >70% from HKD1.1/share to HKD1.9/share. On 9/20/2023, stock price suddenly plunged more than 40% to HKD1.2/share with heavy volume. On 9/21/2023, the company announced that its major shareholder with over 30% shares had just dumped 12.77% of shares to the market. And then on 9/22/2023, the company announced that the board meeting is canceled and there will be no special dividend due to "unusual fluctuation in the price and trading volume of the shares of the Company".

 

Well played, insider!

I guess the "stolen wallets" don't just apply to the small fries, this also scales. In my opinion PDD is most likely to be fraudulent of the big tech co's in China with no CFO and an obvious '"fall guy" signing up the financials, as well as other red flags.

[Luke]

1 hour ago, Spekulatius said:

I guess the "stolen wallets" don't just apply to the small fries, this also scales. In my opinion PDD is most likely to be fraudulent of the big tech co's in China with no CFO and an obvious '"fall guy" signing up the financials, as well as other red flags.

Yeah...PDD is sketchy for sure. Would never make it a large position, numbers look great, if they are real.

[Xerxes]

That story with Canadian parliament and the retired-Nazi-pensioner goes to show how just superficial everything is. 
 

we went looking for a guy who fits the narrative….. Opppps 

[50centdollars]

7 minutes ago, Xerxes said:

That story with Canadian parliament and the retired-Nazi-pensioner goes to show how just superficial everything is. 
 

we went looking for a guy who fits the narrative….. Opppps 

ya it goes to show that for the west, this war isn't about understanding it or what's best for Ukraine. It's about looking good in front of the cameras. Canada is an embarrassment. I'm ashamed to be Canadian. It's clown college up here. 

Edited September 25, 2023 by 50centdollars

[Xerxes]

16 minutes ago, 50centdollars said:

ya it goes to show that for the west, this war isn't about understanding it or what's best for Ukraine. It's about looking good in front of the cameras. Canada is an embarrassment. I'm ashamed to be Canadian. It's clown college up here. 

if you permit me. You are ashamed of the current Government. But the flag and the nation are awesome.  
 

ps: It could have been worse. In a sheer hysteria Nazi boy could have given a mighty Hitler salute in our Parliament.  
 

Edited September 25, 2023 by Xerxes

[50centdollars]

7 minutes ago, Xerxes said:

if you permit me. You are ashamed of the current Government. The flag and the nation are awesome.  
 

ps: It could have been worse. In a sheer hysteria Nazi boy could have given a mighty Hitler salute in our Parliament.  
 

who voted these clowns in?

[Xerxes]

Unfortunately I have been voting liberal. Guilty as charged.

[mcliu]

Was peace possible if NATO agreed to stop its expansion?

[cubsfan]

On 9/23/2023 at 10:51 PM, no_free_lunch said:

 

Those are not related. The southern border, yes there are costs but it's more enforcement is the issue.  You can do both.

You totally miss the issue. Americas become more and more upset with a president hell bent on protecting Ukraine’s border, while he destroys our own. There is no Southern border anymore- it does not exist.

 

these issues are totally related as they are enforced by the same administration.

 

these issues are costing Biden big support at home

Edited September 25, 2023 by cubsfan

[no_free_lunch]

I am sure you can protect both your own border and arm Ukraine.   These are not linked.  At the US border, I suspect we are seeing the far left Biden agenda play out with the open borders.  I would support and encourage you to secure your border.  However, that in no way is prevented by the Ukraine spend.

[cubsfan]

5 minutes ago, no_free_lunch said:

I am sure you can protect both your own border and arm Ukraine.   These are not linked.  At the US border, I suspect we are seeing the far left Biden agenda play out with the open borders.  I would support and encourage you to secure your border.  However, that in no way is prevented by the Ukraine spend.

No kidding. The southern border is the most serious issue the USA has..it’s a layup to secure that border. America is losing its support for Ukraine when the hypocrites in DC protect another country’s sovereignty.