LC Posted January 22 Posted January 22 5 hours ago, NnnnotSoSmart said: "Senile" indeed. Nice try. When do we get Iceland? My money is on the little blood clot that could!
cubsfan Posted January 22 Posted January 22 36 minutes ago, DooDiligence said: https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/us-supreme-court-sees-risk-trump-running-roughshod-over-fed-2026-01-22/ Yeah, could be - Trump is definitely cleaning up in the Supreme Court. Amazing string of victories.
Xerxes Posted January 22 Posted January 22 14 hours ago, Parsad said: The first 10 minutes of CNN's Anderson Cooper does a terrific job of tearing apart what happened in Davos: Trump fumbling and confusing Iceland and Greenland Saying that a framework is in place...when asked if the new agreement includes ownership...he sidestepped the question Said that the new agreement is "infinite" in term...existing 1951 treaty is also essentially infinite Rutte said that there was no discussion on a framework, only that there was discussion on how to protect the region Criticized Carney because the speech hurt his feelings This is TACO Trump at his best! In the meantime, he's eroded enormous trust built over decades! Good job TACO TIME! Cheers! you got to put some link buddy
Xerxes Posted January 22 Posted January 22 Carney’ cabinet meeting in Quebec City at the Citadel. An old British fort, now a museum. The symbolism of that. I have been there. It is a nice fort. Same league as the one in Halifax minus the noon canon shots.
cubsfan Posted January 22 Posted January 22 1 hour ago, DooDiligence said: https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/us-supreme-court-sees-risk-trump-running-roughshod-over-fed-2026-01-22/ Bummer - Trump continues to receive outstanding constitutional legal advice per SCOTUS wins: There were at least 24 rulings in 2025 on the Supreme Court’s emergency docket involving Trump administration actions. Of these, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the Trump administration in 20 and against it four times. https://www.scotusblog.com/2026/01/looking-back-at-2025-the-supreme-court-and-the-trump-administration/
John Hjorth Posted January 22 Posted January 22 17 hours ago, 73 Reds said: John, I think many of us are really trying to learn. Heck, I've flown over Greenland more times than I can count and have spent time in neighboring Iceland (great destination BTW!). But until now have hardly given it a second thought, other than to think to myself, why would anyone want to live there? I would imagine for a small country like yours, people there have opinions. I asked you because I hoped you would be biased as a Dane. But if you prefer not to share you own feelings I completely understand, but how about the prevailing feelings of others there? Thank you, @73 Reds, I don't blame you, or other Americans for not really getting intellectually engaged here. It's about releative proportions, US population size ~345 million, Southern Denmark [Jutland, Funen and Zealand, and adjacent islands plus Bornholm in the Baltic Sea] population is ~6 million, Greenland population ~56 thousand. Danish news media have lots of reporters working out of several places in USA, among them also Washington and i.e. New York City. Last there on TV2 a short session showing a Danish reporter from Danish TV channel TV2 asking New Yorkers on the Street about what their opinion about POTUS and his doing related to Greenland. In thaty clip, nobody asked for the mic and in front of the lens opted to reply and comment. I think I understand why, ref. above. It's considered a nothing burger. With regard to the Danish Realm on factual basis, it's actual quite complicated. I think it's quite well explained and elaborated on Wikipedia [It's such a weird construction, formal conduit, vehicle, entity - I don't think there exists a similar entity on the whole planet, however, I'm not totally sure abouit that. Wikipedia : The Danish Realm. Please note our Kings motto : 'United, committed, for the Kingdom of Denmark'. It tells you a lot, I think. So what do [Southern] Danes think and feel in general, and what do I personally think and feel? Some facts from the above mentioned Wikipedia article : 'Proposed Greenlandic independence Main article: Greenlandic independence The Greenlandic self rule act of 2009 gives Greenland a way to achieve independence. First, the Greenlandic people must make the decision, after which there should be negotiations between the Greenlandic government (Naalakkersuisut) and the Danish government about how to practically implement it. The agreement reached needs to be ratified by Inatsisartut, and approved in a referendum in Greenland. It also needs consent from the Folketing, in accordance with section 19 of the Danish constitution.[60] That section states that any changes to the Kingdom's territory needs to be approved by the Folketing.[25] Greenlandic independence does not require a constitutional change; instead, if Greenland were to become independent, the rules in the constitution regarding Greenland would become void.[61] With regard to international law, Denmark signed the Indigenous and Tribal Peoples Convention in 1996 and acknowledged the Greenlandic Inuit as an Indigenous people.[61][58] In the 2009 self rule act, Denmark recognised the Greenlandic people as a "people" within the context of international law, and their inherent right to self-determination.[54]' So, factual, for Greenlandic detachment, secession from the Kingdom of Denmark, the following is needed : 1. A Greenlandic referendum, with voting outcome for for secession, 2. Afterwards a decision by the Greenlandic cabinet [Naalakkersuisut] for secession, 3. Next, an approval [by a vote] by the Danish Parliament [Folketinget]. Here it's important to note, the 6 million citizens in Southern Denmark have say, nor vote on the matter. Here, please note here, that the Greenlandic population and the Faroe Island population each participate in separate elections of represantive members of the Danish Parliament with two members each, so two from Greenland, and two from Faroe Islands, so out the 179 member of Folketinget [all idiots ], two idiots are from Greenland, two are from Faroe Islands. - - - o 0 o - - - As a thought experiment by now, I'm quite comfident about the outcome of such a process, by now. It would simply stop at the outcome of step 1. Afterwards, if not at step 1, then at step 2. With regard to step 3, it all depends at the conditions, before any decision of approval by Folketinget. My personal thoughts and speculations are, that it would be political suicide for any of the [179 minus [ 2 + 2]] members of the Folketinget to vote for an approval, if not the 'block grant' from Southern Denmark to Greenland is also ceased at the same time, with no 'run off', 'transition' period, meaning zero further money, with immediate effect from all three conditions fulfilled. - - - o 0 o - - - More later about the Greenlandic public budget, for more facts , here.
changegonnacome Posted January 22 Posted January 22 14 hours ago, cubsfan said: Very good interview with Ken Griffin of Citadel. Knowing Ken, he's been very critical of both Biden & Trump in the past - and he doesn't doge questions. First 5 minutes is worth the watch. Yep good interview - agree with Ken I think Trump is great at identifying problems.....the issue, as I've always said is that he has no executive function, he does a hamfisted job of fixing those problems (usually by creating more problems in the fix).....Ken agrees he really wanted DeSantos to be President....for example Trump wanted to rebirth American manufacturing, good idea.....so he introduced broad sweeping international tariffs.....which meant tariffing all manner of intermediate goods that existing and future American manufacturers use in their products which was a bad idea.....and we've had 9 months of falling manufacturing employment as a result. Good problem identification, terrible implementation.
cubsfan Posted January 22 Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, changegonnacome said: Yep good interview - agree with Ken I think Trump is great at identifying problems.....the issue, as I've always said is that he has no executive function, he does a hamfisted job of fixing those problems (usually by creating more problems in the fix).....Ken agrees he really wanted DeSantos to be President....for example Trump wanted to rebirth American manufacturing, good idea.....so he introduced broad sweeping international tariffs.....which meant tariffing all manner of intermediate goods that existing and future American manufacturers use in their products which was a bad idea.....and we've had 9 months of falling manufacturing employment as a result. Good problem identification, terrible implementation. You're always open minded. Gotta deal with the hand you are dealt. It could have been Kamala & Walz.
LC Posted January 22 Posted January 22 If Trump really wanted to address and solve real problems he'd be focusing on China-Canada and Ukraine-Russia, not Greenland-Denmark, Venezuela, and trying to hack away at FRB/Powell. And he'd have a real solution to border security, not unconstitutional masked goon warfare within American borders. Until those problems get solved like an adult, I still get big goofball energy from Stumpy.
John Hjorth Posted January 22 Posted January 22 (edited) On 1/21/2026 at 12:45 AM, Spekulatius said: Pretty good analysis from Anders Puck Nielsen. I think he right that you cannot work with Trump trying to appease him. It might work short term but lead to more trouble long term. Just like trying to appease to a bully , it just doesn’t work. I think other politicians will figure it out. Trump is a one trick pony in many respects. Thank you for sharing here on CofB&F, @Spekulatius, You actually beat me to it. I've been too busy with other stuff to get it done here. I personally share your assessment here. By the way, what I think I haven't mentioned here in the Books forum, is that That just before Christmas ordered a signed specimen at Anders Puck Nielsen personally, sending him by e-mail an untra-short presentation of myseif, and my personal motives for wanting such a copy, also mentioning that a couple of CofB&F members, including myself, have referred to his videos here on CofB&F. Much to my surprise, actually, Anders reverted, quite lenghty, getting very nosy, interested, asking supplementary questions about CofB&F! lol! Which I naturally responded to, on overall basis, not really going into detailed comments, keeping my reply on birds perspective, focusing on the inherent dynamics here at CofB&F - which are truly one-of-kind, special! I'm personally quite sure, he's now reading CofB&F in this particular topic, as a part of his regular back ground updates! Edited January 22 by John Hjorth
dealraker Posted January 22 Posted January 22 1 hour ago, John Hjorth said: Thank you, @73 Reds, I don't blame you, or other Americans for not really getting intellectually engaged here. It's about releative proportions, US population size ~345 million, Southern Denmark [Jutland, Funen and Zealand, and adjacent islands plus Bornholm in the Baltic Sea] population is ~6 million, Greenland population ~56 thousand. Danish news media have lots of reporters working out of several places in USA, among them also Washington and i.e. New York City. Last there on TV2 a short session showing a Danish reporter from Danish TV channel TV2 asking New Yorkers on the Street about what their opinion about POTUS and his doing related to Greenland. In thaty clip, nobody asked for the mic and in front of the lens opted to reply and comment. I think I understand why, ref. above. It's considered a nothing burger. With regard to the Danish Realm on factual basis, it's actual quite complicated. I think it's quite well explained and elaborated on Wikipedia [It's such a weird construction, formal conduit, vehicle, entity - I don't think there exists a similar entity on the whole planet, however, I'm not totally sure abouit that. Wikipedia : The Danish Realm. Please note our Kings motto : 'United, committed, for the Kingdom of Denmark'. It tells you a lot, I think. So what do [Southern] Danes think and feel in general, and what do I personally think and feel? Some facts from the above mentioned Wikipedia article : 'Proposed Greenlandic independence Main article: Greenlandic independence The Greenlandic self rule act of 2009 gives Greenland a way to achieve independence. First, the Greenlandic people must make the decision, after which there should be negotiations between the Greenlandic government (Naalakkersuisut) and the Danish government about how to practically implement it. The agreement reached needs to be ratified by Inatsisartut, and approved in a referendum in Greenland. It also needs consent from the Folketing, in accordance with section 19 of the Danish constitution.[60] That section states that any changes to the Kingdom's territory needs to be approved by the Folketing.[25] Greenlandic independence does not require a constitutional change; instead, if Greenland were to become independent, the rules in the constitution regarding Greenland would become void.[61] With regard to international law, Denmark signed the Indigenous and Tribal Peoples Convention in 1996 and acknowledged the Greenlandic Inuit as an Indigenous people.[61][58] In the 2009 self rule act, Denmark recognised the Greenlandic people as a "people" within the context of international law, and their inherent right to self-determination.[54]' So, factual, for Greenlandic detachment, secession from the Kingdom of Denmark, the following is needed : 1. A Greenlandic referendum, with voting outcome for for secession, 2. Afterwards a decision by the Greenlandic cabinet [Naalakkersuisut] for secession, 3. Next, an approval [by a vote] by the Danish Parliament [Folketinget]. Here it's important to note, the 6 million citizens in Southern Denmark have say, nor vote on the matter. Here, please note here, that the Greenlandic population and the Faroe Island population each participate in separate elections of represantive members of the Danish Parliament with two members each, so two from Greenland, and two from Faroe Islands, so out the 179 member of Folketinget [all idiots ], two idiots are from Greenland, two are from Faroe Islands. - - - o 0 o - - - As a thought experiment by now, I'm quite comfident about the outcome of such a process, by now. It would simply stop at the outcome of step 1. Afterwards, if not at step 1, then at step 2. With regard to step 3, it all depends at the conditions, before any decision of approval by Folketinget. My personal thoughts and speculations are, that it would be political suicide for any of the [179 minus [ 2 + 2]] members of the Folketinget to vote for an approval, if not the 'block grant' from Southern Denmark to Greenland is also ceased at the same time, with no 'run off', 'transition' period, meaning zero further money, with immediate effect from all three conditions fulfilled. - - - o 0 o - - - More later about the Greenlandic public budget, for more facts , here. I have tripped to Greenland. On a trip with 7 women, me the only male. Can't say that I know more than anyone else about Greenland though except that I enjoyed my experience there.
flesh Posted January 22 Posted January 22 15 hours ago, Parsad said: The first 10 minutes of CNN's Anderson Cooper does a terrific job of tearing apart what happened in Davos: Trump fumbling and confusing Iceland and Greenland Saying that a framework is in place...when asked if the new agreement includes ownership...he sidestepped the question Said that the new agreement is "infinite" in term...existing 1951 treaty is also essentially infinite Rutte said that there was no discussion on a framework, only that there was discussion on how to protect the region Criticized Carney because the speech hurt his feelings This is TACO Trump at his best! In the meantime, he's eroded enormous trust built over decades! Good job TACO TIME! Cheers! Anderson is so boringly biased. I've listened to 2/3 or all WEF available online, the above is so caricatured, it's childish. It's actually a good year to listen to the WEF, it's never been more balanced between typically left and right ideas, years ago it was just a circle jerk or left wing beliefs presented as truths. An example, a German lefty said "We've got to be able to say that it's not okay that some people are more likely to rape a 17 year old girl walking at night on the streets of Munich, we've got to be able to name the problem". There's a huge shift going on. This is a huge trend this year, those that have hated on trump for a decade have been unconsciously infected by some of his ideas popularized by him and now claimed as their own. A cultural shift has happened in the west. Psychologically its fascinating to see these unconscious mass changes. Gives me hope that things can change. Granted, most trump ideas haven't stuck but some of the ideas popularized by him have become base programming. Trump did mix up iceland and greenland 2 or 3 times. I often do it myself, because greenland is ice and iceland is green and they are both historically insignificant, not part of the ethereal milieu. IF he continues to do this in other cases, imo it'll add legitimacy to the idea of his degradation.
dealraker Posted January 22 Posted January 22 Just now, dealraker said: I have tripped to Greenland. On a trip with 7 women, me the only male. Can't say that I know more than anyone else about Greenland though except that I enjoyed my experience there. Oh heck...I meant Iceland. Or did I? Hell, I don't know...like Trump!
cubsfan Posted January 22 Posted January 22 3 minutes ago, flesh said: Anderson is so boringly biased. I've listened to 2/3 or all WEF available online, the above is so caricatured, it's childish. It's actually a good year to listen to the WEF, it's never been more balanced between typically left and right ideas, years ago it was just a circle jerk or left wing beliefs presented as truths. An example, a German lefty said "We've got to be able to say that it's not okay that some people are more likely to rape a 17 year old girl walking at night on the streets of Munich, we've got to be able to name the problem". There's a huge shift going on. This is a huge trend this year, those that have hated on trump for a decade have been unconsciously infected by some of his ideas popularized by him and now claimed as their own. A cultural shift has happened in the west. Psychologically its fascinating to see these unconscious mass changes. Gives me hope that things can change. Granted, most trump ideas haven't stuck but some of the ideas popularized by him have become base programming. Trump did mix up iceland and greenland 2 or 3 times. I often do it myself, because greenland is ice and iceland is green and they are both historically insignificant, not part of the ethereal milieu. IF he continues to do this in other cases, imo it'll add legitimacy to the idea of his degradation. @flesh Good feedback. Given you listened to so many sessions - which ones would you suggest?? Thank you
John Hjorth Posted January 22 Posted January 22 1 minute ago, dealraker said: I have tripped to Greenland. On a trip with 7 women, me the only male. Can't say that I know more than anyone else about Greenland though except that I enjoyed my experience there. Where were you then, Charlie [ @dealraker]?, I mean, 'Greenland' isen't 'Greenland' - Nuuk is totally different than the rest. It reads 'good company' though! lol!
73 Reds Posted January 22 Posted January 22 1 hour ago, John Hjorth said: Thank you, @73 Reds, I don't blame you, or other Americans for not really getting intellectually engaged here. It's about releative proportions, US population size ~345 million, Southern Denmark [Jutland, Funen and Zealand, and adjacent islands plus Bornholm in the Baltic Sea] population is ~6 million, Greenland population ~56 thousand. Danish news media have lots of reporters working out of several places in USA, among them also Washington and i.e. New York City. Last there on TV2 a short session showing a Danish reporter from Danish TV channel TV2 asking New Yorkers on the Street about what their opinion about POTUS and his doing related to Greenland. In thaty clip, nobody asked for the mic and in front of the lens opted to reply and comment. I think I understand why, ref. above. It's considered a nothing burger. With regard to the Danish Realm on factual basis, it's actual quite complicated. I think it's quite well explained and elaborated on Wikipedia [It's such a weird construction, formal conduit, vehicle, entity - I don't think there exists a similar entity on the whole planet, however, I'm not totally sure abouit that. Wikipedia : The Danish Realm. Please note our Kings motto : 'United, committed, for the Kingdom of Denmark'. It tells you a lot, I think. So what do [Southern] Danes think and feel in general, and what do I personally think and feel? Some facts from the above mentioned Wikipedia article : 'Proposed Greenlandic independence Main article: Greenlandic independence The Greenlandic self rule act of 2009 gives Greenland a way to achieve independence. First, the Greenlandic people must make the decision, after which there should be negotiations between the Greenlandic government (Naalakkersuisut) and the Danish government about how to practically implement it. The agreement reached needs to be ratified by Inatsisartut, and approved in a referendum in Greenland. It also needs consent from the Folketing, in accordance with section 19 of the Danish constitution.[60] That section states that any changes to the Kingdom's territory needs to be approved by the Folketing.[25] Greenlandic independence does not require a constitutional change; instead, if Greenland were to become independent, the rules in the constitution regarding Greenland would become void.[61] With regard to international law, Denmark signed the Indigenous and Tribal Peoples Convention in 1996 and acknowledged the Greenlandic Inuit as an Indigenous people.[61][58] In the 2009 self rule act, Denmark recognised the Greenlandic people as a "people" within the context of international law, and their inherent right to self-determination.[54]' So, factual, for Greenlandic detachment, secession from the Kingdom of Denmark, the following is needed : 1. A Greenlandic referendum, with voting outcome for for secession, 2. Afterwards a decision by the Greenlandic cabinet [Naalakkersuisut] for secession, 3. Next, an approval [by a vote] by the Danish Parliament [Folketinget]. Here it's important to note, the 6 million citizens in Southern Denmark have say, nor vote on the matter. Here, please note here, that the Greenlandic population and the Faroe Island population each participate in separate elections of represantive members of the Danish Parliament with two members each, so two from Greenland, and two from Faroe Islands, so out the 179 member of Folketinget [all idiots ], two idiots are from Greenland, two are from Faroe Islands. - - - o 0 o - - - As a thought experiment by now, I'm quite comfident about the outcome of such a process, by now. It would simply stop at the outcome of step 1. Afterwards, if not at step 1, then at step 2. With regard to step 3, it all depends at the conditions, before any decision of approval by Folketinget. My personal thoughts and speculations are, that it would be political suicide for any of the [179 minus [ 2 + 2]] members of the Folketinget to vote for an approval, if not the 'block grant' from Southern Denmark to Greenland is also ceased at the same time, with no 'run off', 'transition' period, meaning zero further money, with immediate effect from all three conditions fulfilled. - - - o 0 o - - - More later about the Greenlandic public budget, for more facts , here. Thanks, John. Nice history lessons there. Interesting that Greenland has autonomy over internal affairs but has to defer to Denmark as to any foreign policy or outside relations. And parliamentary representation looks to be a mere token gesture. In terms all of us on this Board can understand, I was curious whether Danes look at Greenland as more of an asset or a liability and whether it is just a matter of time when Greenland follows in Iceland's footsteps of complete autonomy. It would seem that more infrastructure, resulting in more permanent residents there would lead in that direction.
flesh Posted January 22 Posted January 22 (edited) 32 minutes ago, cubsfan said: @flesh Good feedback. Given you listened to so many sessions - which ones would you suggest?? Thank you Here's some, i've been painting and replacing fixtures on a rental for a week, lot's of time to listen. Edited January 22 by flesh
John Hjorth Posted January 22 Posted January 22 (edited) All, including Charlie [ @dealraker ], please forget the above post of mine. Charlies [ @dealrakers] last post is an awesome, powerful confirmation of what Iearlier today have posted above about relative proportions! - - - o 0 o - - - It's actually as simple as the 'left-righ't' rule of thumb for the ''left-right'-confused's: Just remember :' On your left hand, the thumb is placed, located to the right on the hand, and on your right hand the thumb is placed, located to the left on the hand' Easy-peacy - simple!I l l learned it in elementary school, however I was struggling with it mentally for a long time before it sinked in, got absorbed! lol! - - - o 0 o - - - Basically similar, in a way, to the 'Greenland - Iceland' confusion: Remember : 'Greenland is the place where there are basically no green surroundings [though a few] , and Iceland is the place where there are basically no icy surroundings [though a few]' Edited January 22 by John Hjorth
John Hjorth Posted January 22 Posted January 22 57 minutes ago, flesh said: Anderson is so boringly biased. I've listened to 2/3 or all WEF available online, the above is so caricatured, it's childish. It's actually a good year to listen to the WEF, it's never been more balanced between typically left and right ideas, years ago it was just a circle jerk or left wing beliefs presented as truths. An example, a German lefty said "We've got to be able to say that it's not okay that some people are more likely to rape a 17 year old girl walking at night on the streets of Munich, we've got to be able to name the problem". There's a huge shift going on. This is a huge trend this year, those that have hated on trump for a decade have been unconsciously infected by some of his ideas popularized by him and now claimed as their own. A cultural shift has happened in the west. Psychologically its fascinating to see these unconscious mass changes. Gives me hope that things can change. Granted, most trump ideas haven't stuck but some of the ideas popularized by him have become base programming. Trump did mix up iceland and greenland 2 or 3 times. I often do it myself, because greenland is ice and iceland is green and they are both historically insignificant, not part of the ethereal milieu. IF he continues to do this in other cases, imo it'll add legitimacy to the idea of his degradation. @flesh, The content of the above post of yours has actually been disruptive, earth quake like, to my personal perception of your personal stances, in a, for me, postive way.
cubsfan Posted January 22 Posted January 22 46 minutes ago, flesh said: Here's some, i've been painting and replacing fixtures on a rental for a week, lot's of time to listen. Much appreciated Flesh. Perfect for the gym.
Spekulatius Posted January 22 Posted January 22 (edited) 2 hours ago, changegonnacome said: Yep good interview - agree with Ken I think Trump is great at identifying problems.....the issue, as I've always said is that he has no executive function, he does a hamfisted job of fixing those problems (usually by creating more problems in the fix).....Ken agrees he really wanted DeSantos to be President....for example Trump wanted to rebirth American manufacturing, good idea.....so he introduced broad sweeping international tariffs.....which meant tariffing all manner of intermediate goods that existing and future American manufacturers use in their products which was a bad idea.....and we've had 9 months of falling manufacturing employment as a result. Good problem identification, terrible implementation. I agree, for all you can say about Trump - At least he broadly works on the right things. Execution TBD (imo) but it beats working on the wrong things. Thats something European politician need to learn and they seem to slowly get there. Take the voters and public opinion as cue on what to work on. Trump as a Bogeyman is convenient but does not get you anywhere. Edited January 22 by Spekulatius
SharperDingaan Posted January 22 Posted January 22 (edited) It is pretty clear that the two big Davos speeches this year (Canada, US) were coordinated. Both speakers from fortress North America, each got out of the way for the other .. so that the messages would be delivered loud and clear. The US message was that Europe is not deemed reliable, needs to get its act together, and that the US is done waiting. It is pretty clear that Greenland was largely because the US wasn't comfortable with the reliability of NATO's ability to defend it, and wasn't prepared to rest part of the golden dome on such a poor assurance; so they have chosen to more reliably defend it themselves. The CAD message was that middle powers (most of Europe) need to get their act together, or get eaten. Less consult, more action, plan for the world of tomorrow ... not the world that used to be. Accept change as a good thing, come up with a collective cohesive industrial policy for the now larger trade block, and implement. Tariffs used to inflict pain, until change is either implemented, or the powers get eaten. Assistance is available, but it isn't going to be more of the same. Break heads behind the barn for as long as it takes, come back ready to move forward on the world of tomorrow. SD Edited January 22 by SharperDingaan
cubsfan Posted January 22 Posted January 22 10 minutes ago, SharperDingaan said: It is pretty clear that the two big Davos speeches this year (Canada, US) were coordinated. Both speakers from fortress North America, each got out of the way for the other .. so that the messages would be delivered loud and clear. The US message was that Europe is not deemed reliable, needs to get its act together, and that the US is done waiting. It is pretty clear that Greenland was largely because the US wasn't comfortable with the reliability of NATO's ability to defend it, and wasn't prepared to rest part of the golden dome on such a poor assurance; so they have chosen to more reliably defend it themselves. The CAD message was that middle powers (most of Europe) need to get their act together, or get eaten. Less consult, more action, plan for the world of tomorrow ... not the world that used to be. Accept change as a good thing, come up with a collective cohesive industrial policy for the now larger trade block, and implement. Tariffs used to inflict pain, until change is either implemented, or the powers get eaten. Assistance is available, but it isn't going to be more of the same. Break heads behind the barn for as long as it takes, come back ready to move forward on the world of tomorrow. SD Brilliant summary.
John Hjorth Posted January 22 Posted January 22 (edited) One thing that has been quite puzzling to me personlly, is that no Canadian CofB&F member, or any other CofB&F member, for that sake, so far, has mentioned, nor added to the 'Greenland thingy' díscussion here in this [political] topic, Canadian recent security and surveillance, political initiatives, decisions and actions in the last decade or so : Wikipedia : [Canadian] Harry DeWolf-class offshore patrol vessel These ships are harboured in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada [6 of them, 2 two more of them to be assigned to the Canadian Coast Guard, up to the North-West of Canada]. - - - o 0 o - - - Matthew Chapter 5, part of Jesus's famous Sermon on the Mount, ("Blessed are the poor in spirit,"] : To me, the 'Greenland Thingy' is awesome, unparalled, high quality, moaty entertainment! Absolutely impossible to replicate, not even R.K. Rowling could come up with such a plot! - - - o 0 o - - - Do people here on CofB&F think, these vessels are in harbour, at quay, iddle, all the time? Edited January 22 by John Hjorth
Parsad Posted January 22 Posted January 22 45 minutes ago, John Hjorth said: One thing that has been quite puzzling to me personlly, is that no Canadian CofB&F member, or any other CofB&F member, for that sake, so far, has mentioned, nor added to the 'Greenland thingy' díscussion here in this [political] topic, Canadian recent security and surveillance, political initiatives, decisions and actions in the last decade or so : Wikipedia : [Canadian] Harry DeWolf-class offshore patrol vessel These ships are harboured in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada [6 of them, 2 two more of them to be assigned to the Canadian Coast Guard, up to the North-West of Canada]. - - - o 0 o - - - Matthew Chapter 5, part of Jesus's famous Sermon on the Mount, ("Blessed are the poor in spirit,"] : To me, the 'Greenland Thingy' is awesome, unparalled, high quality, moaty entertainment! Absolutely impossible to replicate, not even R.K. Rowling could come up with such a plot! - - - o 0 o - - - Do people here on CofB&F think, these vessels are in harbour, at quay, iddle, all the time? Canada has ordered 12 new subs and 15 river class destroyers, as well as additional patrol vessels all to secure the North. They are also in the midst of ordering a combination of 88 F-35's or the Saab Gripen...an order for 16 F-35's has already been submitted. They also increased the average salary of infantrymen by 20% to increase recruitment. Again, all to ensure security of Canada's borders and the north. Cheers!
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