dealraker Posted January 21 Posted January 21 1 minute ago, Gregmal said: There will be more Trumps in the future. The next is going to be some hard left version that’s even more powerful and agitating. Then it will be a right wing guy. Then it will be a lefty. The cycle needs to break, but likely is unfixable. Correct.
John Hjorth Posted January 21 Posted January 21 13 minutes ago, Gregmal said: If you truly believe that it’s an existential crisis, then I think it warrants the question of whether this is new or not. Because the issue is that the same characters have been falling for the media propaganda and lying about the severity of these “existential threats”…for over a decade now. I wish we had the archives to make a Wall of Shame for all the suckers who 100% scarfed down Russiagate; and then every manufactured crisis after it. Just total fools. ... Greg [ @Gregmal ], Why do you bring up the past in this discussion? The past is gone here. We need to look at all this forward looking.
73 Reds Posted January 21 Posted January 21 25 minutes ago, dealraker said: Isn't your first sentence a description of yourself, not others? Yes, there will be more Trump-like's coming. You do see the irony of your own comment, right? Thinking back decades ago to the learned professors who taught us Constitutional Law it couldn't be clearer why Trump was elected and thrives today.
Gregmal Posted January 21 Posted January 21 3 minutes ago, John Hjorth said: Greg [ @Gregmal ], Why do you bring up the past in this discussion? The past is gone here. We need to look at all this forward looking. That’s crazy, almost as crazy as the “whataboutism” movement that started Jan 20/2025. Like saying “ignore the village drunk…today’s a new day!”….nah Ima avoid that motherfucker cuz I have everything I need to make an assessment of his credibility. Very simply, if you were wrong for so long to such a tremendous degree, that needs to be considered when assessing one’s credibility going forward. On Trump, many folks have a nearly decade long track record of hitting .091….earning a demotion just as they would in baseball.
Gregmal Posted January 21 Posted January 21 4 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: You do see the irony of your own comment, right? Thinking back decades ago to the learned professors who taught us Constitutional Law it couldn't be clearer why Trump was elected and thrives today. Personally, I wouldn’t rule out you and Charlie being brothas from another motha as they say. Sans the opinion on Trump you’re both pretty similar, in a very good way. At least in terms of how much can be discerned from the interactions here.
73 Reds Posted January 21 Posted January 21 5 minutes ago, Gregmal said: Personally, I wouldn’t rule out you and Charlie being brothas from another motha as they say. Sans the opinion on Trump you’re both pretty similar, in a very good way. At least in terms of how much can be discerned from the interactions here. Nah, we're both just old.
John Hjorth Posted January 21 Posted January 21 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Gregmal said: That’s crazy, almost as crazy as the “whataboutism” movement that started Jan 20/2025. Like saying “ignore the village drunk…today’s a new day!”….nah Ima avoid that motherfucker cuz I have everything I need to make an assessment of his credibility. Very simply, if you were wrong for so long to such a tremendous degree, that needs to be considered when assessing one’s credibility going forward. On Trump, many folks have a nearly decade long track record of hitting .091….earning a demotion just as they would in baseball. Greg [ @Gregmal ], I suggest you to turn on the TV and listen and experience your POTUS at full throttle in Davos right now! [<- !] - - - o 0 o - - - By the way, I have on paper that I'm not crazy, because crazy people can't and don't get a security clearance at Danish PET - Politiets Efterretningstjeneste [in English : Danish Security and Intelligence Service] and at Danish FE - Forsvarets Efterretningstjeneste [in English : Danish Defence Intelligence Agency]. [I have both.] So, please, can I be free, you sparing me, from you namecalling me crazy? Edited January 21 by John Hjorth
Gregmal Posted January 21 Posted January 21 4 minutes ago, John Hjorth said: So, please, can I be free, you sparing me, from you namecalling me crazy? Not crazy. European! Just kidding. Love you guys though
DooDiligence Posted January 21 Posted January 21 4 hours ago, John Hjorth said: That's not even close to an exageration, more an understatement, @Luke. The issue here is also, that some American citizens think it's for them to judge about that. I don't really know the name of this bias, but I soeculate it likely has a name. "Americans can always be trusted to do the right thing, once all other possibilities have been exhausted." - Winston Churchill or “You may be sure that the Americans will commit all the stupidities they can think of, plus some that are beyond imagination.” - Charles de Gaulle Personally, I believe we've reached the de Gaulle era.
dwy000 Posted January 21 Posted January 21 1 hour ago, 73 Reds said: Sanjeev, it saddens me (really!) that otherwise intelligent people lose all perspective when it comes to Trump. You tell us what we "should" be doing, thinking and believing. Evidently you and only you can properly interpret the Constitution, Freedom of Speech and Due process. Such a presumptive air of authority won't get you anywhere other than to encourage more "Trumps" in the future. Umm, pot meet kettle! Tell us about your views on Trump cancelling the cap on overdraft fees.
dwy000 Posted January 21 Posted January 21 Holding true to form, this Davos speech by Trump is his most embarrassing since...well, yesterday.
SharperDingaan Posted January 21 Posted January 21 (edited) Like it or not the world is being 'redistributed'. Doesn't necessarily mean new territories in new orbits, but it does mean go-forward widespread fundamental change in how things are done. Everybody benefits from extended stability; but the reality is that we are already 25 yrs into this century, it is no longer last century, and modern day updates are not a bad thing. The world is not a stable place; the norm is ongoing wars, peace is the anomaly. Even Europe wars every 70 years or so; Serbia, Ukraine, etc. are just more recent examples. Rules, institutions, etc, extend the length of the peace periods; they don't guarantee them. You need friends, periodic bench clearings, and blunt discussions behind the barn. Bullying is part of life. There's always someone bigger than you .... friends group together, hire an enforcer to beat the sh1te out of the bully, let the bruises become tender, then beat the sh1te out of the bully again ... targeting the now vulnerable ribs, teeth, kidneys, and windpipe. Same game, changed rules Target the money; US debt, gold reserves, interest rates, trade settlement currency use, etc. Damage the flow of money (debt rollovers, higher interest, market collapse) as you would a bully's windpipe .... make it hard to breathe, jam a straw in to assist breathing, and periodically put a thumb on it. Debtors operate at the pleasure of their creditors, and the creditors willingness to recognise a loss; helpful to be trading the US market down while you're squeezing for gains bigger than the triggered write-down Families fight, jaws/arms occasionally get broke, ego's get bruised ... but there's blunt discussion, and ultimately everyone limps away with the same understanding, whether they want to hear it or not. Respect refreshed the hard way, and repeat discussion with the slow and/or hard of learning. There is a reason why bench clearings work so well. No respect if you don't fight back, fight to win, and fight to do your own thing. No matter how big you are, nobody wants to have to fight a pissed off wolverine .... not if you hope to have kids one day, and not breathe through a straw SD Edited January 21 by SharperDingaan
Gregmal Posted January 21 Posted January 21 LOL, nope; did not watch the speech. I chatted with a buddy about Netflix while getting coffee on 30A, and then proceeded to click “politics” on COBF and see people still tweaking out about Trump. Fun morning.
NnnnotSoSmart Posted January 21 Posted January 21 1 hour ago, dwy000 said: Holding true to form, this Davos speech by Trump is his most embarrassing since...well, yesterday. The markets disagree with you.
John Hjorth Posted January 21 Posted January 21 (edited) 5 minutes ago, NnnnotSoSmart said: The markets disagree with you. Isen't that relative to who you are and how you're invested, @NnnnotSoSmart ? Edited January 21 by John Hjorth
NnnnotSoSmart Posted January 21 Posted January 21 (edited) Jamie - the master - smart and measured in his responses to Economist interviewer. Trump living rent free in her head. The anti Trump agenda so obvious. She's there to push a narrative, not interview. Dimon squashes her directly and by implication. Jamie: "You guys are really smart people. You'll figure it out." No they won't. Not with their TDS. Concludes by telling the "Davos intellectual elite" to shove it. JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon delivers remarks at the World Economic Forum Edited January 21 by NnnnotSoSmart
Gregmal Posted January 21 Posted January 21 7 minutes ago, NnnnotSoSmart said: The markets disagree with you. It would seem so, if logically consistent. Because yesterday “800 points” was a big deal and entirely attributed to Trump. Again, to me, 800 points or whatever is a whopping one or two and fractions percent, one day move, something I generally consider a non event for “the stock market”, which since I’ve been alive and following it, tends to move around sometimes.
dwy000 Posted January 21 Posted January 21 9 minutes ago, NnnnotSoSmart said: The markets disagree with you. The market is reacting to today's comments which seemed to reverse yesterday's comments (although its hard to tell which lies to believe and which to ignore). The markets do not react to embarrassment.
John Hjorth Posted January 21 Posted January 21 2 minutes ago, NnnnotSoSmart said: ... 'She's there to push a narrative, not interview. Dimon squashes her directly and by implication. ... @NnnnotSoSmart, Who is 'she' in your post above?
NnnnotSoSmart Posted January 21 Posted January 21 10 minutes ago, John Hjorth said: Isen't that relative to who you are and how you're invested, @NnnnotSoSmart ? Yes. I suppose it is. Remember, I'm...
NnnnotSoSmart Posted January 21 Posted January 21 (edited) 37 minutes ago, dealraker said: I've been suspicious that much of people's tolerance for Trump is related to their unwavering conviction that he has power over both businesses and investor optimism, thus he literally can make things "go upwards to-the-right" as long as he wishes. Or maybe it's actual data that confirms that the Trump administration's policies are gaining traction in less than one year of implementation? Or, perhaps a delayed response from impressive Biden era policies? https://www.atlantafed.org/-/media/documents/cqer/researchcq/gdpnow/realgdptrackingslides.pdf Edited January 21 by NnnnotSoSmart
SharperDingaan Posted January 21 Posted January 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gregmal said: Again, to me, 800 points or whatever is a whopping one or two and fractions percent, one day move, something I generally consider a non event for “the stock market”, which since I’ve been alive and following it, tends to move around sometimes. Agreed, Donny used to be good for 2,000 points/day ... 800 is pretty anaemic Then, maybe it's just the start .... Donny imposes tariffs, Europe and friends impose higher interest rates by temporarily withdrawing from US debt overall (fed, municipal, corporate, etc.). Doesn't go well for the economy, employment, upcoming elections, or the market. Maybe a drop of 12,000 points in total ? .... 'cause debt is such a bitch, and Donny is rapidly running out of time Of course .... should an enterprising lad/treasurer also hold puts on the more vulnerable tickers in the US index ... double-dipping becomes a possibility .... to offset higher costs elsewhere. Cost neutral to move out of USD debt. As the Queen lyrics go ... https://genius.com/Queen-the-show-must-go-on-lyrics https://ca.video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=mcafee&p=queen+the+show+must+go+on&type=E210CA1494G0#id=1&vid=8d1de379947a4150e772f6047bd86cad&action=click SD Edited January 21 by SharperDingaan
cubsfan Posted January 21 Posted January 21 2 hours ago, SharperDingaan said: Like it or not the world is being 'redistributed'. Doesn't necessarily mean new territories in new orbits, but it does mean go-forward widespread fundamental change in how things are done. Everybody benefits from extended stability; but the reality is that we are already 25 yrs into this century, it is no longer last century, and modern day updates are not a bad thing. The world is not a stable place; the norm is ongoing wars, peace is the anomaly. Even Europe wars every 70 years or so; Serbia, Ukraine, etc. are just more recent examples. Rules, institutions, etc, extend the length of the peace periods; they don't eliminate them. You need friends, periodic bench clearings, and blunt discussions behind the barn. Bullying is part of life. There's always someone bigger than you .... friends group together, hire an enforcer to beat the sh1te out of the bully, let the bruises become tender, then beat the sh1te out of the bully again ... targeting the now vulnerable ribs, teeth, kidneys, and windpipe. Same game, changed rules Target the money; US debt, gold reserves, interest rates, trade settlement currency use, etc. Damage the flow of money (debt rollovers, higher interest, market collapse) as you would a bully's windpipe .... make it hard to breathe, jam a straw in to assist breathing, and periodically put your thumb on it. Debtors operate at the pleasure of their creditors, and the creditors willingness to recognise a loss; helpful to be trading the US market down while you're squeezing for gains bigger than the triggered write-down Families fight, jaws/arms occasionally get broke, ego's get bruised ... but there's blunt discussion, and ultimately everyone limps away with the same understanding, whether they want to hear it or not. Respect refreshed the hard way, and repeat discussion with the slow and/or hard of learning. There is a reason why bench clearings work so well. No respect if you don't fight back, fight to win, and fight to do your own thing. No matter how big you are, nobody wants to have to fight a pissed off wolverine .... not if you hope to have kids one day, and not breathe through a straw SD Love your hockey analogies SD. The brawl is coming. China Carney establishes himself as the Davos "boss" over milquetoast Larry Fink. Carney is a fighter that has dropped the gloves. Trump took them off too. Benches are clearing soon. The brilliance of Trump is how he set Davos on fire and the autocrats of Europe are focused on Trump's agenda - not their windbags patting themselves on their usual DEI & Climate Change & energy disasters. The autocrats of Europe are losing their mind, as they hate populism amongst their own citizens- and can no longer jam crap down their throats. Oh they will try hard - by censoring free speech, throwing their citizens in jail over tweets. But thanks to Trump - the cat is out of the bag. The Davos agenda is now "a new world order - we can't stop it - we must figure it out". Thank Donald Trump. Carney will be a worthy adversary.
SharperDingaan Posted January 21 Posted January 21 19 minutes ago, cubsfan said: Carney is a fighter that has dropped the gloves. Carney actually plays goalie .. so stopping slap-shots is no big deal. It's the other guys forwards who have to watch out for the goalies coordinated hits, elbows, and high/low sticks . SD
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