John Hjorth Posted January 21 Posted January 21 4 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: John, I'm genuinely curious: How do people in your Country feel about Greenland? I mean let's pretend this entire brouhaha never happened. Do folks in Denmark have an affinity for Greenland and its people? What do they ultimately get, or hope to get from the relationship? Is there any resentment that they have to provide support to Greenland and do they feel they receive adequate consideration for such support? Did Greenland really even matter to most people in your Country until recently? Is the overall sentiment for Greenland any different than the way Danes think about the Faroe Islands - I think the populations are about the same. @73 Reds, Thank you for taking this discussion seriously, based on being open minded and curious. I've respectfully noticed it, with regard to your approach to this situation. Your seem to be the only American citizen I'm in contact with, that search to relate to 'the other side' here, and I really think it dresses you well, I respect you for it. It's to me personally a token of your personal format, intellectual bandwith. It's still really hard for me to dig down into it here on CofB&F, because I'm aware of that I'm severely - on a personal level - biased. Suggestion : Please start being nosy about my security clearances, and I'll likely react as a bottle of Heinz Ketchup, that woulden't give in!
Gregmal Posted January 21 Posted January 21 2 minutes ago, cubsfan said: You can always tell how successful an American President is by how much he pisses off the globalists at Davos. That, and the fact that those whom wear big boy pants know its just negotiating/business, nothing personal. Look at how Jamie Dimon has handled things...so basically everyone but Europe is fine and well, they can grunt about Trump on their wind farms or in their DEI classes or whatever it is they do..
changegonnacome Posted January 21 Posted January 21 Didnt see anything today - we were supposed to get some big announcement on housing various admin officials we're out teasing it? All I can see is rehashed stuff....did I miss something?
73 Reds Posted January 21 Posted January 21 4 minutes ago, John Hjorth said: @73 Reds, Thank you for taking this discussion seriously, based on being open minded and curious. I've respectfully noticed it, with regard to your approach to this situation. Your seem to be the only American citizen I'm in contact with, that search to relate to 'the other side' here, and I really think it dresses you well, I respect you for it. It's to me personally a token of your personal format, intellectual bandwith. It's still really hard for me to dig down into it here on CofB&F, because I'm aware of that I'm severely - on a personal level - biased. Suggestion : Please start being nosy about my security clearances, and I'll likely react as a bottle of Heinz Ketchup, that woulden't give in! John, I think many of us are really trying to learn. Heck, I've flown over Greenland more times than I can count and have spent time in neighboring Iceland (great destination BTW!). But until now have hardly given it a second thought, other than to think to myself, why would anyone want to live there? I would imagine for a small country like yours, people there have opinions. I asked you because I hoped you would be biased as a Dane. But if you prefer not to share you own feelings I completely understand, but how about the prevailing feelings of others there?
Sweet Posted January 21 Posted January 21 1 hour ago, cubsfan said: What a bunch of clowns. Trump's Art of the Deal - they never get it... 1 hour ago, Gregmal said: Every. Fucking. Time. They always fall for it. Perhaps skip a few of the daily Trump pressers and spend a little less time on Twitter….my gosh how embarrassing. No deal though, just a lot of huffing a puffing. I swear the only thing Trump listens to is the stock market. Sounds like the beginning of a climb down. Time will tell.
cubsfan Posted January 21 Posted January 21 20 minutes ago, Sweet said: No deal though, just a lot of huffing a puffing. I swear the only thing Trump listens to is the stock market. Sounds like the beginning of a climb down. Time will tell. Huh??? Trump just dropped the tariffs that the Europeans had their hair on fire about. When he said don't escalate the situation - he meant it. Now they are in a position to grant a deal.
Sweet Posted January 21 Posted January 21 2 minutes ago, cubsfan said: Huh??? Trump just dropped the tariffs that the Europeans had their hair on fire about. When he said don't escalate the situation - he meant it. Now they are in a position to grant a deal. What deal? Denmark and the Europeans have been clear, they aren’t giving Greenland to America. The US already has a deal with Denmark which grants it practically unfettered access to Greenland for military purposes. Unless it is an economic deal, I don’t know what.
cubsfan Posted January 21 Posted January 21 3 minutes ago, Sweet said: What deal? Denmark and the Europeans have been clear, they aren’t giving Greenland to America. The US already has a deal with Denmark which grants it practically unfettered access to Greenland for military purposes. Unless it is an economic deal, I don’t know what. Mark Rutte is letting the cat out of the bag. After all the lying from Denmark about Greenland not being strategically important and their ability to defend it - Rutte acknowledged how critical it is for NATO to cooperate with Trump and work something out on a deal since the US critically carries NATO. It's hilarious to watch POTUS walk into Davos and own the place after all the ridiculous talk from the globalists. All the bullshit about NATO is dead and Trump is the enemy destroying NATO.
John Hjorth Posted January 21 Posted January 21 12 minutes ago, Sweet said: What deal? Denmark and the Europeans have been clear, they aren’t giving Greenland to America. The US already has a deal with Denmark which grants it practically unfettered access to Greenland for military purposes. Unless it is an economic deal, I don’t know what. It's killing me! - 'POTUS modus operandi Ukraine' all over again! - The only guy I feel sorry for is actually Mark Rutte, by POTUS getting dragged into this! - Yeah, when not successfull, just leave all the f**king mess & chaos for Vance and Rubio to clean up, not to loose face in public, so in silence, later, 'behind curtains' - for the whole thing to go away again! - It's actually brilliant, not just to say awesome!"
Sweet Posted January 21 Posted January 21 5 minutes ago, cubsfan said: Mark Rutte is letting the cat out of the bag. After all the lying from Denmark about Greenland not being strategically important and their ability to defend it - Rutte acknowledged how critical it is for NATO to cooperate with Trump and work something out on a deal since the US critically carries NATO. It's hilarious to watch POTUS walk into Davos and own the place after all the ridiculous talk from the globalists. All the bullshit about NATO is dead and Trump is the enemy destroying NATO. I don’t think anyone claimed Greenland wasn’t important. The question is if it amply protected. It’s in NATO so yes. The Europeans may have downplayed the threat, but Trump outright lied that 1) it wasn’t protected, and 2) it could only be protected if the US owned it. You could argue this is all strategy to get a deal, but it’s very unlikely that deal will be giving away Greenland. The Europeans already suspended ratification of the trade deal and were prepared for counter tariffs. Why anyone thinks the Europeans are going to just hand it over is beyond me.
Sweet Posted January 21 Posted January 21 Just now, John Hjorth said: It's killing me! - 'POTUS modus operandi Ukraine' all over again! - The only guy I feel sorry for is actually Mark Rutte, by POTUS getting dragged into this! - Yeah, when not successfull, just leave all the f**king mess & chaos for Vance and Rubio to clean up, not to loose face in public, so in silence, later, 'behind curtains' - for the whole thing to go away again! - It's actually brilliant, not just to say awesome!" Do people not realise that everyone just tells Trump what they want to hear, and it’s vague enough to mean nothing?
John Hjorth Posted January 21 Posted January 21 2 minutes ago, Sweet said: Do people not realise that everyone just tells Trump what they want to hear, and it’s vague enough to mean nothing? Do never forget POTUS once was a media guy, selling tickets. Top notch actor, and not the first POTUS with such professional skills, qualiifications, I may add. Nobody mentioned, nobody forgotten.
Luke Posted January 21 Posted January 21 1 hour ago, dwy000 said: You literally were talking about how the market drop was so small it was ordinary course. And now they fell for it? For any other president, or even 8 months ago, threatening 20% tariffs on Europe would have dropped the market 5-10%. Now its 2% - and reverses the next day. And all for what? He got nothing. Not that anything was needed but all the bluster and noise and pissing off you closest allies - for nothing.
Luke Posted January 21 Posted January 21 Trump chickened out thats how i see it - Taco Trump! Security in the arctic was in Europes Interest, US ownership wasnt. Trump did not get ownership. We won!
DooDiligence Posted January 21 Posted January 21 Somebody help me out here, what's the primary language in Switzerland?
cubsfan Posted January 21 Posted January 21 4 minutes ago, Sweet said: I don’t think anyone claimed Greenland wasn’t important. The question is if it amply protected. It’s in NATO so yes. The Europeans may have downplayed the threat, but Trump outright lied that 1) it wasn’t protected, and 2) it could only be protected if the US owned it. You could argue this is all strategy to get a deal, but it’s very unlikely that deal will be giving away Greenland. The Europeans already suspended ratification of the trade deal and were prepared for counter tariffs. Why anyone thinks the Europeans are going to just hand it over is beyond me. Oh you are so wrong. The Danish politicians lied their asses off - it's not strategically important - there is no Russia/China desire for Greenland - we can handle it, blah, blah, blah. Even our good buddy @John Hjorth was spouting off about it.. Denmark can handle it, etc., China/Russia aren't interested in Greenland. Then everyone and their brother on this board is screaming "NATO is DEAD" , "We don't need America", "We'll go to China" "Trump is killing NATO" The USA has always carried NATO on its shoulders while the rest of Europe freeloads like parasites. Trump called Europe's bluff today after all the tough talk from Comrade Carney, Macron, Starmer. He knows these countries unwilling to let the USA walk away from NATO. Mark Rutte sure gets it: unless NATO wants to self destruct - the freeloading is over and Trump will get his Greenland deal for the good of this ultra critical alliance. So much for NATO is dead!
cubsfan Posted January 21 Posted January 21 10 minutes ago, John Hjorth said: Do never forget POTUS once was a media guy, selling tickets. Top notch actor, and not the first POTUS with such professional skills, qualiifications, I may add. Nobody mentioned, nobody forgotten. Yeah, John, just like the BS you sling around here about Denmark and Greenland; - Greenland is not strategically important - Then it is important - Denmark can defend it - The Russians and Chinese could care less about Greenland - The USA military experience in the Arctic doesn't exist Your own Defense Intelligence and Mark Rutte just blew you out of the water @John Hjorth
LC Posted January 21 Posted January 21 Can we go back to Trump squeezing Canada into China's lap? I'm trying to retire to Canada, I don't want China breathing down my neck as I do so!
John Hjorth Posted January 21 Posted January 21 (edited) 35 minutes ago, DooDiligence said: Somebody help me out here, what's the primary language in Switzerland? Jeff [ @DooDiligence ] Google AI : - - - o 0 o - - - You'd most likely do fine, very fine, with your English American [I've never had a oral talk with you, -you know] Like so many other places in Europe, English is the common denominator for business communication, in CH, especially international banking, global pharma, luxury and tourism. Edited January 21 by John Hjorth
Sweet Posted January 21 Posted January 21 16 minutes ago, cubsfan said: Oh you are so wrong. The Danish politicians lied their asses off - it's not strategically important - there is no Russia/China desire for Greenland - we can handle it, blah, blah, blah. Even our good buddy @John Hjorth was spouting off about it.. Denmark can handle it, etc., China/Russia aren't interested in Greenland. Then everyone and their brother on this board is screaming "NATO is DEAD" , "We don't need America", "We'll go to China" "Trump is killing NATO" The USA has always carried NATO on its shoulders while the rest of Europe freeloads like parasites. Trump called Europe's bluff today after all the tough talk from Comrade Carney, Macron, Starmer. He knows these countries unwilling to let the USA walk away from NATO. Mark Rutte sure gets it: unless NATO wants to self destruct - the freeloading is over and Trump will get his Greenland deal for the good of this ultra critical alliance. So much for NATO is dead! I don’t think the Danish or any Europeans said Greenland wasn’t strategically important. Not sure where you are getting that from. European intelligence said that China and Russia were both interested in expanding their influence the Artic, but that’s not the same as saying they were aiming to take Greenland which is NATO territory. I agree with about Europeans not doing enough. As you know. But if anyone’s bluff was called today, and the past few days, it was Trump’s. Who made the threads - Trump. Who backed off them - Trump. How can it be read any other way?
Sweet Posted January 21 Posted January 21 18 minutes ago, cubsfan said: Yeah, John, just like the BS you sling around here about Denmark and Greenland; - Greenland is not strategically important - Then it is important - Denmark can defend it - The Russians and Chinese could care less about Greenland - The USA military experience in the Arctic doesn't exist Your own Defense Intelligence and Mark Rutte just blew you out of the water @John Hjorth @John Hjorth have you ever said Greenland wasn’t strategically important? Or any of the other things?
Gregmal Posted January 21 Posted January 21 Well, OK it's strategically important....how inspired could anyone be by the EU/NATO ability to defend it...given their entire defense of Ukraine was basically....look at the US and ask Daddy for help? And then bitch and moan about the US "not doing enough".....imagine thats probably something worth considering when the subject is "protecting Greenland"...I mean didnt the feckless Germans show up and then leave after 12 hours or something?
DooDiligence Posted January 21 Posted January 21 39 minutes ago, John Hjorth said: Jeff [ @DooDiligence ] Google AI : - - - o 0 o - - - You'd most likely do fine, very fine, with your English American [I've never had a oral talk with you, -you know] Like so many other places in Europe, English is the common denominator for business communication, in CH, especially international banking, global pharma, luxury and tourism. Thanks for confirming my suspicion on the predominant language in Switzerland. On another note, someone asked earlier if you could comment on how Danes feel about Greenland. Would you say this sums it up? https://techcrunch.com/2026/01/21/apps-for-boycotting-american-products-surge-to-the-top-of-the-danish-app-store/
John Hjorth Posted January 22 Posted January 22 26 minutes ago, Sweet said: have you ever said Greenland wasn’t strategically important? Or any of the other things? 17 minutes ago, Gregmal said: Well, OK it's strategically important....how inspired could anyone be by the EU/NATO ability to defend it...given their entire defense of Ukraine was basically....look at the US and ask Daddy for help? And then bitch and moan about the US "not doing enough".....imagine thats probably something worth considering when the subject is "protecting Greenland"...I mean didnt the feckless Germans show up and then leave after 12 hours or something? Let's all step back for a moment, to get to a birds, satelite perspective on status quo in Europe, where there is a fire going on. That 'Greenland thingy' of POTUS' is what it is. A nothing-burger [however wild, surrealistic], where POTUS, by now is getting outmaneuvered, run over, by EU, NATO members. He is not getting what he want, any way. - - - o 0 o - - - Meanwhile, while all political democracy European based activities are occupied, allocated, seized for all the Greenland stuff, 60 percent of the Kyiv citizens do not any longer have functioning heating available in their homes! Greenlandic kiddoes don't slep in rooms without heating. Democracy, especially international, is just so time consuming, cumbersome, inefficient, long-winded, lengthy, prolix, prosy, tedious, circumstancial, detailed, elaborate, laborious, troublesome, complicated, intricated.
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