Xerxes Posted January 22 Posted January 22 3 minutes ago, Parsad said: Canada has ordered 12 new subs and 15 river class destroyers, as well as additional patrol vessels all to secure the North. They are also in the midst of ordering a combination of 88 F-35's or the Saab Gripen...an order for 16 F-35's has already been submitted. They also increased the average salary of infantrymen by 20% to increase recruitment. Again, all to ensure security of Canada's borders and the north. Cheers! Not yet for submarines. It has been narrowed down to Korea vs Nordic consortium, but nothing signed unless I missed it. Likely will be from Korea as those meet Navy’s schedule. Though will have limited industrialization. For fighter plans, not for the immediate, but there is also a view (likely in my opinion) that Canada will enter GCAP, but that will in no way solve the short term deficit.
John Hjorth Posted January 22 Posted January 22 33 minutes ago, Xerxes said: Not yet for submarines. It has been narrowed down to Korea vs Nordic consortium, but nothing signed unless I missed it. ... @Xerxes, This part of your post is surprising to me. Can you please shed some light on this, with some sources? -Thank you in advance!
Xerxes Posted January 22 Posted January 22 4 minutes ago, John Hjorth said: @Xerxes, This part of your post is surprising to me. Can you please shed some light on this, with some sources? -Thank you in advance! Germany & Sweden. TKMS i remember when their minister came to Canada while Carney was going to Korea. I may be mixing up Sweden with Norway.
SharperDingaan Posted January 22 Posted January 22 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Xerxes said: Germany & Sweden. TKMS Submarine doesn't necessarily mean a crewed boat; other nations have far more advanced/better boats than a Canada might obtain. Whereas 'drone subs' are a lot cheaper, offer a whole different level of possibility/security, and can both leverage off the Ukrainian navy experiences, and benefit from the largest Ukrainian diaspora in the world. SD Edited January 22 by SharperDingaan
Xerxes Posted January 22 Posted January 22 35 minutes ago, SharperDingaan said: Submarine doesn't necessarily mean a crewed boat; other nations have far more advanced/better boats than a Canada might obtain. Whereas 'drone subs' are a lot cheaper, offer a whole different level of possibility/security, and can both leverage off the Ukrainian navy experiences, and benefit from the largest Ukrainian diaspora in the world. SD nope. need proper submarine Hunt-for-Red October style. None of that remote control submarine toys from the Black Sea. Canadian submarines need to patrol the Arctic and go the distance. in the same way, the air drones won’t do in the pacific theatre for the U.S. forces. F-47 and F-35 is what is needed there. Just because a war evolves the way it did in Eastern Europe, it doesn’t mean we copy paste that specific outcome. In Ukraine, the evolution of drone warfare is a direct consequence of being bogged down into attrition. If the armies could not move, innovation moved to the sky. That is one outcome of many potential could-have outcomes.
SharperDingaan Posted January 22 Posted January 22 (edited) 5 hours ago, Xerxes said: nope. need proper submarine Hunt-for-Red October style. None of that remote control submarine toys from the Black Sea. Canadian submarines need to patrol the Arctic and go the distance. in the same way, the air drones won’t do in the pacific theatre for the U.S. forces. F-47 and F-35 is what is needed there. Just because a war evolves the way it did in Eastern Europe, it doesn’t mean we copy paste that specific outcome. In Ukraine, the evolution of drone warfare is a direct consequence of being bogged down into attrition. If the armies could not move, innovation moved to the sky. That is one outcome of many potential could-have outcomes. Not toy drones. Big drones that can stop and be totally passive while drifting with the current under the ice for weeks at a time, or settle on the floor of the sea bed for weeks at a time. Essentially loitoring undersea drones, reprogamable at sea, that can call up something else if required. Lots of possibilities. SD Edited January 23 by SharperDingaan
DooDiligence Posted January 22 Posted January 22 3 hours ago, John Hjorth said: One thing that has been quite puzzling to me personlly, is that no Canadian CofB&F member, or any other CofB&F member, for that sake, so far, has mentioned, nor added to the 'Greenland thingy' díscussion here in this [political] topic, Canadian recent security and surveillance, political initiatives, decisions and actions in the last decade or so : Wikipedia : [Canadian] Harry DeWolf-class offshore patrol vessel These ships are harboured in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada [6 of them, 2 two more of them to be assigned to the Canadian Coast Guard, up to the North-West of Canada]. - - - o 0 o - - - Matthew Chapter 5, part of Jesus's famous Sermon on the Mount, ("Blessed are the poor in spirit,"] : To me, the 'Greenland Thingy' is awesome, unparalled, high quality, moaty entertainment! Absolutely impossible to replicate, not even R.K. Rowling could come up with such a plot! - - - o 0 o - - - Do people here on CofB&F think, these vessels are in harbour, at quay, iddle, all the time? Blessed are the cheese makers
DooDiligence Posted January 22 Posted January 22 https://apnews.com/article/trump-jpmorgan-debanking-jamie-dimon-a976813384a942e5152f17659fdebd16 Eventually, the nazi's opened up too many fronts.
changegonnacome Posted January 22 Posted January 22 4 hours ago, Spekulatius said: I agree, for all you can say about Trump - At least he broadly works on the right things. Execution TBD (imo) but it beats working on the wrong things. Yep and the other thing I would say re:Trump is that IMO he is just electorially toxic outside the Presidentials....his style, his rhetoric just creates a huge wall of opposition/protest votes against him....when he's on the ballot he's additive no doubt, he turns low propensity & even non-voters out like no one else.....when he's off the ballot - midterms, special elections, gubernatorial races its just the opposite he fires up the opposition turnout and his true cult followers just stay home - I mean whats the point of voting if you cant vote for Donald!
dealraker Posted January 22 Posted January 22 5 hours ago, John Hjorth said: All, including Charlie [ @dealraker ], please forget the above post of mine. Charlies [ @dealrakers] last post is an awesome, powerful confirmation of what Iearlier today have posted above about relative proportions! - - - o 0 o - - - It's actually as simple as the 'left-righ't' rule of thumb for the ''left-right'-confused's: Just remember :' On your left hand, the thumb is placed, located to the right on the hand, and on your right hand the thumb is placed, located to the left on the hand' Easy-peacy - simple!I l l learned it in elementary school, however I was struggling with it mentally for a long time before it sinked in, got absorbed! lol! - - - o 0 o - - - Basically similar, in a way, to the 'Greenland - Iceland' confusion: Remember : 'Greenland is the place where there are basically no green surroundings [though a few] , and Iceland is the place where there are basically no icy surroundings [though a few]' John I've been to both Iceland and Greenland. Was just being silly.
Hektor Posted January 23 Posted January 23 15 hours ago, Xerxes said: need proper submarine Hunt-for-Red October style. None of that remote control submarine toys from the Black Sea. Canadian submarines need to patrol the Arctic and go the distance. in the same way, the air drones won’t do in the pacific theatre for the U.S. forces. F-47 and F-35 is what is needed there. +1
John Hjorth Posted January 23 Posted January 23 I have the Danish TV Channel TV2 News running today. Lots of stuff going on in Greelands today. One Greenlandic citizen in Nuuk was interviewed, and he explained why was of the opinion that POTUS just 'taler fis'[<- Danish], which best translates to English by 'talking fart', 'fart talking'. I found it very interesting, and decided with immediate effect to adopt it in my vocabulary, so much better than expressing somebody *BS*ing.
cubsfan Posted January 23 Posted January 23 (edited) Oh my, Jan 6th case falling apart faster than a speeding bullet. Prosecutor Jack Smith crucified - absolutely brutal: Edited January 23 by cubsfan
John Hjorth Posted January 23 Posted January 23 (edited) 5 hours ago, UK said: Quite impressive: By now, more or less a mirage, a product by now pretty much overall thought out, but nowhere near reality, first flight expected 2028 : Wikipedia : Boing F-47, When hurdles, obstackles to overcome arise in the development process, it goes like this : Boing [screaming] to US department of War : 'Because of this fact X, we urgently need you to send us more money, much more money!'. Congress, US department of War & administration, cabinet & POTUS replying Boing : 'Meh ', <sending the money wanted to Boing>. - - - o 0 o - - - Edit : I forgot the most important thing : It works great, and creates awesome things, the world really needs to go around, if reason persists, right? Edited January 23 by John Hjorth
SharperDingaan Posted January 23 Posted January 23 4 hours ago, John Hjorth said: Wikipedia : Boing F-47, Looks pretty ... but a really shitty gas tank! Can't even make it from Vancouver to Winnipeg without a fill up ... and that's with no loitering. Toronto to Heathrow requires at least two air-to-air refuelling's https://www.distancecalculator.net/from-vancouver-to-winnipeg https://www.airmilescalculator.com/distance/yyz-to-lhr/ SD
John Hjorth Posted January 24 Posted January 24 3 minutes ago, SharperDingaan said: Looks pretty ... but a really shitty gas tank! Can't even make it from Vancouver to Winnipeg without a fill up ... and that's with no loitering. Toronto to Heathrow requires at least two air-to-air refuelling's https://www.distancecalculator.net/from-vancouver-to-winnipeg https://www.airmilescalculator.com/distance/yyz-to-lhr/ SD - It's actually the same with 'grey' ships, at a time only speed mattered, and the bunker ships coulden't keep up! , 'When I'm fuelled up, I'm damn pretty fast, agile, pretty invisible, because of the speed, hard to locate, because of speed, invincible, then when bunker is consumed to the last drop, drifting with the wind and torrent, sitting duck, *meh*, waiting for the bunker ship to keep up! -This one falls out of the sky, if run dry!
LC Posted January 24 Posted January 24 On 1/22/2026 at 4:31 AM, NnnnotSoSmart said: “Board of Peace.” Should be spelled "Bored"
Spekulatius Posted January 24 Posted January 24 On 1/22/2026 at 5:13 PM, Xerxes said: nope. need proper submarine Hunt-for-Red October style. None of that remote control submarine toys from the Black Sea. Canadian submarines need to patrol the Arctic and go the distance. in the same way, the air drones won’t do in the pacific theatre for the U.S. forces. F-47 and F-35 is what is needed there. Just because a war evolves the way it did in Eastern Europe, it doesn’t mean we copy paste that specific outcome. In Ukraine, the evolution of drone warfare is a direct consequence of being bogged down into attrition. If the armies could not move, innovation moved to the sky. That is one outcome of many potential could-have outcomes. Exactly, the drones used in Ukraine are fairly short range weapons. This is even true for an Ukraine’s sets drones. The pacific theatre and the arctic ones are huge. We are talking about thousand of miles. People take the don’t lessons from the Ukraine war, as what is happening is very theatre specific with WW1 like frozen frontlines, AirPower used sparingly , it won’t translate into Taiwan or the pacific theatre st all.
cwericb Posted January 24 Posted January 24 “You know, they’ll say they sent some troops to Afghanistan, or this or that. And they did – they stayed a little back, a little off the front lines” Said the President of the United States with a smirk. To have a yellow, chicken-hearted, repeat draft dodger accuse troops from other countries of avoiding the front lines in Afghanistan, countries who went to war in support of the United States, is about as low as one could go. Tell that to the parents of the 158 Canadian troops who died there. I remember when the President of the United States was a role model who was looked up to. His supporters must be so embarrassed.
RichardGibbons Posted January 24 Posted January 24 Come on cwericb, that's not fair--draft dodging in his youth is one of the key reasons Trump might think he deserved the Nobel Peace Prize. (Though, since at this point, it's kind of a discredited prize anyway, can they just give the Nobel Peace Prize to Mark Carney this year? The resulting meltdown would be epic!)
Mephistopheles Posted January 24 Posted January 24 Guys stop taking Trump so seriously as my friend Greg would say. It’s all meaningless. For the record all that matters is that he tried to overthrow the government in 2020/21. He’s an autocrat. Invest accordingly
Luke Posted January 24 Posted January 24 5 hours ago, cwericb said: “You know, they’ll say they sent some troops to Afghanistan, or this or that. And they did – they stayed a little back, a little off the front lines” Said the President of the United States with a smirk. To have a yellow, chicken-hearted, repeat draft dodger accuse troops from other countries of avoiding the front lines in Afghanistan, countries who went to war in support of the United States, is about as low as one could go. Tell that to the parents of the 158 Canadian troops who died there. I remember when the President of the United States was a role model who was looked up to. His supporters must be so embarrassed. The commander and chief of our biggest ally emptying ashtrays over our graves is probably the worst thing Trump has ever done so far as a president
dealraker Posted January 24 Posted January 24 (edited) One of the great joys I have is that when Angela and I travel outside the US - often (but not always) to somewhere in Europe twice a year - is my response to questions about saggy jowls and chinless burnt orange muffin. Laced with a few words of choice ---- eyebrows of those listening to me are often raised. Instead of rolling her eyes as most wives would do, Angela loads up on top of what I say. We enjoy watching those who queried and now must listen, most often they step back or lean away in their seats. They feel the passion, the heat is on. We sense they are literally exhausted by the time we're finished emitting. Rather than what would normally be us being embarrassed by our outrageous behavior, others likely see that we absolutely need and thrive on letting it out. Living in the most Trump lusting area of the US of A, getting out and about is one super-duper relief for the wife and I. American Trumpers entire mindset is grievance and desperation to look down on others, particularly Canada and Europe, Angela and I - to say the least - aren't in this camp. Those who love Trump greatly over estimate his successes. Those who despise Trump greatly over estimate his successes. It has always been this way, always will. Cialdini or someone who is in his camp of thinking, needs to spend an enormous amount of time writing a book about this man's ability to gain the minds and souls of others. While he is a complete failure and destruct-all, he grabs people and they literally can't escape. Edited January 24 by dealraker
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