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[Parsad]

3 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

I know it wasn't you or any of the good people on this board. 

 

Kirk was a stalwart in the conservative movement and the main reason POTUS won over so many college students.  The LEFT absolutely hates him. He has had many death threats.  This was a political assassination.  If I am wrong - you will get my apology.  This was not meant as a slam against you or anyone on this board.

 

The suspect is in custody. My bet is Antifa - we will see.

 

This seems like the guy was a pro or planned it well.  He took only one shot, packed up his rifle, and disappeared.  They found no weapon on the roof...not sure if they found a shell casing or anything.  No one saw him climb on to the roof, unlike the young shooter who tried to kill Trump.  You could hear from the shot that it was a high powered rifle.  

 

We knew all of this stuff was coming years ago.  The volume on the rhetoric has been turned to maximum from all sides.  I don't think this will be the last either.  Reminds me of the 60's and 70's.  Some figure, on either side, was shot like every other month back then!

 

Cheers!

[Sweet]

6 minutes ago, Eldad said:

I agree. No one pays attention to those liars anyway. They all face downsizing because no one watches. 

Unfortunately 20% of Congress do

[Parsad]

14 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

I know it wasn't you or any of the good people on this board. 

 

Kirk was a stalwart in the conservative movement and the main reason POTUS won over so many college students.  The LEFT absolutely hates him. He has had many death threats.  This was a political assassination.  If I am wrong - you will get my apology.  This was not meant as a slam against you or anyone on this board.

 

The suspect is in custody. My bet is Antifa - we will see.

 

The guy they have in custody is some other muckraker who was there.  They found no weapon with him.  Cheers!

[EBITDAg]

55 minutes ago, Sweet said:

This softly approach, how has that been working out for the US?

 

It’s not like people are getting angry over nothing.  There are a bunch of scum in our society who think they can do what they want including cold blooded murder.  What’s worse is there is a cohort of excuse makers for this behaviour.

 

Shoplift - nah don’t prosecute that.  Sure he only assaulted a few people - let him out for the 10th time.  Ah right - he’s murdered someone - he’s mentally ill and must be treated humanely.  All the excuse makers are facilitators.  

The media - MSN, CNN - just look at some of the commentary tonight and over the past few days.  They are infiltrated by a bunch of race baiters.

 

I live in the UK but my kids and wife are American citizens and I don’t want my kids to ever live there.  It’s being ruined by the left who just keep creeping further and further left.

 

We see it in the UK too.  Centrist positions 25 years ago are now ‘far-right.  Fuck them.

Unfortunately the UK is also being destroyed by the illiberal leftist types. 

[Sweet]

3 minutes ago, EBITDAg said:

Unfortunately the UK is also being destroyed by the illiberal leftist types. 

Yep, just a few year behind the US in some regards.  Further down the road in other regards.

[Eldad]

6 hours ago, Sweet said:

Yep, just a few year behind the US in some regards.  Further down the road in other regards.

Setting up well for Nigel. 

[changegonnacome]

10 hours ago, Parsad said:

The volume on the rhetoric has been turned to maximum from all sides.  I don't think this will be the last either.  Reminds me of the 60's and 70's.  Some figure, on either side, was shot like every other month back then!

It’s an unspeakable crime and tragedy what happened to Charlie Kirk.
 

I think the above is right…the volume has been turned up, the level of rhetoric is through the roof….i don’t need to show examples from both sides….but when the language and emotive name calling reaches a certain level (as we are now) you can see how the next level up is violence and in America that means guns and by extension fatalities. We are way better than this as country….i don’t care who you vote for but we should all be voting for folks who bring the temperature down not up. Politics should be a competition of ideas not insults….in debates when your opponent resorts to ad hominem attacks you’ve kind of won the debate…too often America’s political leadership do just this on both sides. Sad time for the country I think. 

 

[Sweet]

8 minutes ago, changegonnacome said:

It’s an unspeakable crime and tragedy what happened to Charlie Kirk.
 

I think the above is right…the volume has been turned up, the level of rhetoric is through the roof….i don’t need to show examples from both sides….but when the language and emotive name calling reaches a certain level (as we are now) you can see how the next level up is violence and in America that means guns and by extension fatalities. We are way better than this as country….i don’t care who you vote for but we should all be voting for folks who bring the temperature down not up. Politics should be a competition of ideas not insults….in debates when your opponent resorts to ad hominem attacks you’ve kind of won the debate…too often America’s political leadership do just this on both sides. Sad time for the country I think. 

 

 

This morning I have two opposing thoughts.  The first is I want to just delete all social media and tune out, focus on my family and bringing them up, it is after all my primary duty in life now - something Kirk had taken from him.  The opposing thought is that being aware of all this bs that is happening is important to understand to equip my kids as adults.

 

To your point about rhetoric, I've not seen many on the right calling for or cheering the death.  I don't know if anyone saw the TMZ video, they were livestreaming from their offices and people in the room were cheering when Trump tweeted Kirk had died.  TMZ denied it had anything to do with Kirk's death but I don't believe them.  And there are many others, there was a guy in the crowd at the event cheering when Kirk feel off his chair, there are loads of left wing commentators cheering.  It's despicable behaviour from the 'be kind crowd', and it is radicalsing.

 

It wasn't so long ago that the left on America was taking the knee, for defunding the policy and sloganing Black Lives Matter.  Twitter has become more right leaning since the takeover, so I know it is not fully representative, but even there I don't see prominent right wingers calling for violence against lefties.  The Black Lives Matter just hours before Kirk's murder was posting that there is a time for violence of oppressed people and the time was now.

 

The Nazis, fascists, Hitler, dictator... from which side does that rhetoric mostly come from.  I am all for bringing the temperature down, but where is the contrition, where is the fix?  There are groups in society (left mostly but right too) who wrongly but genuinely believed they are being oppressed in some way, and this victimhood is what underpins the want for violence.  

[dealraker]

Charlie Kirk stated in public that protecting the second amendment justified gun violence.

 

So given his death is that something you guys agree with?  

 

 

[Sweet]

23 minutes ago, dealraker said:

Charlie Kirk stated in public that protecting the second amendment justified gun violence.

 

So given his death is that something you guys agree with?  

 

 

 

No he didn't.  He didn't 'justify' gun violence.  What kind of messed up framing is that?

 

This is part of his actual quote: 

Quote

Now, we must also be real. We must be honest with the population. Having an armed citizenry comes with a price, and that is part of liberty. Driving comes with a price. 50,000, 50,000, 50,000 people die on the road every year. That's a price. You get rid of driving, you'd have 50,000 less auto fatalities. But we have decided that the benefit of driving — speed, accessibility, mobility, having products, services — is worth the cost of 50,000 people dying on the road. So we need to be very clear that you're not going to get gun deaths to zero. It will not happen. You could significantly reduce them through having more fathers in the home, by having more armed guards in front of schools. We should have a honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, but we should not have a utopian one.

You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you won't have a single gun death. That is nonsense. It's drivel. But I am, I, I — I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe.

Source: Fact Check: Charlie Kirk once said some gun deaths 'worth it' in order to have Second Amendment

 

I personally think US gun laws are nuts, but that's completely besides the point.  It's perfectly clear he wasn't for shooting people up who disagreed with you. 

 

There is a dark place in your heart to come out with something like that.

 

Edited September 11, 2025 by Sweet

[Castanza]

2 minutes ago, dealraker said:

Charlie Kirk stated in public that protecting the second amendment justified gun violence.

 

So given his death is that something you guys agree with?  

 

 

“Gun violence” is a loaded and vague term. 
 

If you’re going to bring up a question like this at a time like this maybe do a bit of research into the breakdown of the numbers and give us a better term.

 

But to answer your question: I think law abiding citizens should have the ability to own firearms while knowing there will be some negative consequences. The FBI and some other studies estimate that between 1993 and 2023 on average there were  (Defensive Gun Uses) 60k and 1m in the US annually. Some studies peg the number between 60k and 1.8m. Defensive use could mean drawing a firearm and not firing, drawing+firing, drawing+firing+wounding or drawing+firing+killing. Depending on location LEO may not record the first two and the last two could be recorded as assault with a deadly weapon regardless of justifiability. 

[dealraker]

56 minutes ago, Sweet said:

 

This morning I have two opposing thoughts.  The first is I want to just delete all social media and tune out, focus on my family and bringing them up, it is after all my primary duty in life now - something Kirk had taken from him.  The opposing thought is that being aware of all this bs that is happening is important to understand to equip my kids as adults.

 

To your point about rhetoric, I've not seen many on the right calling for or cheering the death.  I don't know if anyone saw the TMZ video, they were livestreaming from their offices and people in the room were cheering when Trump tweeted Kirk had died.  TMZ denied it had anything to do with Kirk's death but I don't believe them.  And there are many others, there was a guy in the crowd at the event cheering when Kirk feel off his chair, there are loads of left wing commentators cheering.  It's despicable behaviour from the 'be kind crowd', and it is radicalsing.

 

It wasn't so long ago that the left on America was taking the knee, for defunding the policy and sloganing Black Lives Matter.  Twitter has become more right leaning since the takeover, so I know it is not fully representative, but even there I don't see prominent right wingers calling for violence against lefties.  The Black Lives Matter just hours before Kirk's murder was posting that there is a time for violence of oppressed people and the time was now.

 

The Nazis, fascists, Hitler, dictator... from which side does that rhetoric mostly come from.  I am all for bringing the temperature down, but where is the contrition, where is the fix?  There are groups in society (left mostly but right too) who wrongly but genuinely believed they are being oppressed in some way, and this victimhood is what underpins the want for violence.  

So sorry Sweet.  Meanwhile do your proper homework.

 

"I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."

Edited September 11, 2025 by dealraker

[Luke]

8 minutes ago, dealraker said:

So sorry Sweet.  Meanwhile do your proper homework.

 

"I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."

Yeah its so ironic. The last question he was asked was apparently about how many deaths come from mass shootings and he counterd if gang violence with guns also counts towards - and he died getting shot. Got shot at the exact moment while defending gun rights...R.I.P though, nobody deserves this and he leaves two poor little fellas+mom behind, shouldnt have to be this way. 

[dealraker]

1 hour ago, Castanza said:

“Gun violence” is a loaded and vague term. 
 

If you’re going to bring up a question like this at a time like this maybe do a bit of research into the breakdown of the numbers and give us a better term.

 

But to answer your question: I think law abiding citizens should have the ability to own firearms while knowing there will be some negative consequences. The FBI and some other studies estimate that between 1993 and 2023 on average there were  (Defensive Gun Uses) 60k and 1m in the US annually. Some studies peg the number between 60k and 1.8m. Defensive use could mean drawing a firearm and not firing, drawing+firing, drawing+firing+wounding or drawing+firing+killing. Depending on location LEO may not record the first two and the last two could be recorded as assault with a deadly weapon regardless of justifiability. 

You fragile guys do make me laugh.  I have a hand gun on my truck seat beside me at all times, my wife has a handgun.  I have a precisely 16 inch (minimum legal length) barrel shotgun loaded under my bed.  When sleepy it is hard to aim precisely.  LOL, I didn't vote Trump...ain't it awful?  And I have very open social views.

 

I guess I'm one where the 2nd amendment is "worth" it.

 

Years ago two houses over we had a friend abducted, raped, and murdered.  (Murdered is incorrect as our neighbor actually crawled out of the woods alive with 82 stab wounds). The perpetrator was not caught for years until he continued his path- the second time his post rape murder attempt was  successful.  It has its affect.

 

https://www.wral.com/story/123265/

 

 

Edited September 11, 2025 by dealraker

[Pellom]

13 hours ago, Parsad said:

 

This seems like the guy was a pro or planned it well.  He took only one shot, packed up his rifle, and disappeared.  They found no weapon on the roof...not sure if they found a shell casing or anything.  No one saw him climb on to the roof, unlike the young shooter who tried to kill Trump.  You could hear from the shot that it was a high powered rifle.  

 

We knew all of this stuff was coming years ago.  The volume on the rhetoric has been turned to maximum from all sides.  I don't think this will be the last either.  Reminds me of the 60's and 70's.  Some figure, on either side, was shot like every other month back then!

 

Cheers!

 

In a lot of ways, the most remarkable thing about this is that it happens so infrequently. Most periods of time in American history are littered with politically motived assassinations. One would think it should theoretically hold true that because we are so aware of everyone's opinions at all times in today's connected world, these types of things would be more frequent. 

[Buckeye]

It’ll be interesting to see if MAGA continues their charade of fake caring about the Ukrainian woman who was murdered, now that one of their own is dead and they have a much wedgier-wedge to use to “prove” that the people on the left are awful people. Me thinks not. 
 

That poor girl wast brutally murdered and then chewed up and spit out by the MAGA Establishment. On to the next flashpoint I guess. 

 

What a weird argument that was. 

Edited September 11, 2025 by Buckeye

[Castanza]

12 minutes ago, dealraker said:

You fragile guys do make me laugh.  I have a hand gun on my truck seat beside me at all times, my wife has a handgun.  I have a precisely 16 inch (minimum legal length) barrel shotgun loaded under my bed.  When sleepy it is hard to aim precisely.  LOL, I didn't vote Trump...ain't it awful?  And I have very open social views.

 

I guess I'm one where the 2nd amendment is "worth" it.

 

Years ago two houses over we had a friend abducted, raped, and murdered.  The perpetrator was not caught for years until he continued his path.  It has its affect.

 

https://www.wral.com/story/123265/

 

 

 

Asking for clarity on a "gotcha" political term is fragile? Funny coming from the guy who had a borderline meltdown a month or two ago because you got called out for hinting at the idea that illegal immigration is a good thing because it gives you cheaper bids on projects.

 

Haven't seen your catch phrase in a bit Charlie....

 

[whiskybravo]

1 hour ago, dealraker said:

Charlie Kirk stated in public that protecting the second amendment justified gun violence.

 

You are stripping context to imply Kirk is advocating or justifying political violence, when the quote clearly refers to general societal risk, not targeted violence or murder.

 

[73 Reds]

1 hour ago, Sweet said:

 

No he didn't.  He didn't 'justify' gun violence.  What kind of messed up framing is that?

 

This is part of his actual quote: 

Source: Fact Check: Charlie Kirk once said some gun deaths 'worth it' in order to have Second Amendment

 

I personally think US gun laws are nuts, but that's completely besides the point.  It's perfectly clear he wasn't for shooting people up who disagreed with you. 

 

There is a dark place in your heart to come out with something like that.

 

Charlie Kirk acknowledged that the privilege of gun ownership sometimes results in gun deaths.  This is, and should be no great revelation.  Personally I don't own a gun but very much support the 2nd Amendment.  Guns don't kill, shooters do.      

[Gregmal]

6 minutes ago, Buckeye said:

That poor girl wast brutally murdered and then chewed up and spit out by the MAGA Establishment. On to the next flashpoint I guess. 

100%. I didn’t even know who Charlie Kirk was til yesterday. After some brief reading, I may of course have it wrong, but what I got was... He was a 31 year old whom enriched himself, basically monetizing divisiveness. 
 

The Ukrainian girl was murdered taking the train home from her real world, society contributing job. Charlie on the other hand was at self aggrandizing pep rally. 
 

It’s all such a shame. If nothing else I think everyone needs to take a step back and on 9/11 especially, realize the dangers of ideology.

[Sweet]

49 minutes ago, dealraker said:

So sorry Sweet.  Meanwhile do your proper homework.

 

"I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."

 

Maybe read the thread dealraker - hint - two posts above yours.

[John Hjorth]

29 minutes ago, dealraker said:

You fragile guys do make me laugh.  I have a hand gun on my truck seat beside me at all times, my wife has a handgun.  I have a precisely 16 inch (minimum legal length) barrel shotgun loaded under my bed.  When sleepy it is hard to aim precisely.  LOL, I didn't vote Trump...ain't it awful?  And I have very open social views.

 

I guess I'm one where the 2nd amendment is "worth" it.

 

Years ago two houses over we had a friend abducted, raped, and murdered.  (Murdered is incorrect as our neighbor actually crawled out of the woods alive with 82 stab wounds). The perpetrator was not caught for years until he continued his path- the second time his post rape murder attempt was  successful.  It has its affect.

 

https://www.wral.com/story/123265/

 

Charlie [ @dealraker ],

 

What a gruesome, terrible story! 

 

I've untill now been in the biased perception, that your wife and you were living a calme and relative secure place outside Lexington, NC in green, awesome and cosy surroundings.

[whiskybravo]

11 minutes ago, Buckeye said:

It’ll be interesting to see if MAGA continues their charade of fake caring about the Ukrainian woman who was murdered, now that one of their own is dead and they have a much wedgier-wedge to use to “prove” that the people on the left are awful people. Me thinks not. 
 

That poor girl wast brutally murdered and then chewed up and spit out by the MAGA Establishment. On to the next flashpoint I guess. 

 

What a weird argument that was. 

Hey @Buckeye I’ve appreciated your perspective and our recent back and forth.

 

That said, I think this take is off. You’re assuming bad faith.  That people only cared about the Ukrainian woman to score points, and that they’ll now drop her because Kirk was killed.  

 

People care deeply about both tragedies.  If anything, many are reacting so strongly now because two horrific things happened so close together.

[Sweet]

42 minutes ago, Luke said:

Yeah its so ironic. The last question he was asked was apparently about how many deaths come from mass shootings and he counterd if gang violence with guns also counts towards - and he died getting shot. Got shot at the exact moment while defending gun rights...R.I.P though, nobody deserves this and he leaves two poor little fellas+mom behind, shouldnt have to be this way. 

 

Cruel irony yes.  Kirk's stuff never appealed to me, he's catering for a different audience, and I found some of stuff he said silly.  But he was obviously a good man.

 

Kirk's reason for defending gun rights is self protection, government over reach etc, definitely not to shoot someone you disagree with.  I'll not put words in his mouth, but I expect he wasn't for mentally ill, or violent criminals or gangs having guns.

[Gregmal]

2 minutes ago, whiskybravo said:

That said, I think this take is off. You’re assuming bad faith.  That people only cared about the Ukrainian woman to score points, and that they’ll now drop her because Kirk was killed.  

This is also true. I mean the whole BLM crowd and those on the left completely ignore tremendous amounts of daily black on black crime because they can’t do anything politically with it…