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[73 Reds]

11 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

100%. I didn’t even know who Charlie Kirk was til yesterday. After some brief reading, I may of course have it wrong, but what I got was... He was a 31 year old whom enriched himself, basically monetizing divisiveness. 
 

The Ukrainian girl was murdered taking the train home from her real world, society contributing job. Charlie on the other hand was at self aggrandizing pep rally. 
 

It’s all such a shame. If nothing else I think everyone needs to take a step back and on 9/11 especially, realize the dangers of ideology.

Yep.  Getting ready to board a plane and just took part in a 9/11 ceremony in the terminal.  A day that should never be forgotten or ignored.  

[Sweet]

8 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

100%. I didn’t even know who Charlie Kirk was til yesterday. After some brief reading, I may of course have it wrong, but what I got was... He was a 31 year old whom enriched himself, basically monetizing divisiveness. 
 

The Ukrainian girl was murdered taking the train home from her real world, society contributing job. Charlie on the other hand was at self aggrandizing pep rally. 
 

It’s all such a shame. If nothing else I think everyone needs to take a step back and on 9/11 especially, realize the dangers of ideology.

 

He was 100% all of that, but he also had strong beliefs which I know from what you have written you share.  Notice the contrast too.  He was going to campuses to engage and debate people.  It spawned a lot of 'Charlie owns' videos - which I detest - but he also has some videos of explaining why he does it.  He goes and talks to people, because he thought free speech was important, and engaging with people one-on-one was important, because when you don't talk you forget that the other side are people and that it can easily lead to violence.  And lets be honest, there is plenty of silly stuff to be divided on.

 

[dealraker]

2 minutes ago, 73 Reds said:

Charlie Kirk acknowledged that the privilege of gun ownership sometimes results in gun deaths.  This is, and should be no great revelation.  Personally I don't own a gun but very much support the 2nd Amendment.  Guns don't kill, shooters do.      

Interestingly I come from a family where three have committed suicide, my mother's self-inflicted gun death is surely the most significant to me.  Yet owning guns for me and using them in recreation and being in the service have never given me the rage or whatnot to think of using them towards others even when I'm angry.  Guns in my family were simply a mandated part of life (as was serving the country) and maybe today's endless avenues for recreation make those of us from the past look pretty rough.  But there wasn't as much fun stuff to do long ago, you basically did what others did to interact and socialize.  Skeet shooting was my game, I competed for years.

 

In high school I carried shotguns to school every day on my gun rack.  We had a shooting club at all local high schools and I completed there a long with football, tennis and other stuff.  My vehicle was never locked on campus.

 

Today guns mean a completely different thing than when I was young.  Often they are used to intimidate and threaten, the association with them is a link to power over those you oppose, hate, and fear.  The preaching of intolerance for those who differ from you makes the previous sentence a link for what was, in my view, a part of Charlie Kirk's presentation.

 

We get what we get, awfulizing it ain't gunna stop it.  Maybe being more tolerant is the way, but all you need to do is read this thread and you'll quickly get jolted into the blisteringly clear realization that this ain't in the cards.  

[Castanza]

14 hours ago, Parsad said:

We knew all of this stuff was coming years ago.  The volume on the rhetoric has been turned to maximum from all sides.  I don't think this will be the last either.  Reminds me of the 60's and 70's.  Some figure, on either side, was shot like every other month back then!

 

Cheers!

 

Definitely agree! Being divisive with large audiences has never been easier. 

 

Would be curious to know what those who lived through the Nixon era think about the current political climate. From a perspective of (I've read about it) it seems very similar.

 

 

26 minutes ago, Buckeye said:

It’ll be interesting to see if MAGA continues their charade of fake caring about the Ukrainian woman who was murdered, now that one of their own is dead and they have a much wedgier-wedge to use to “prove” that the people on the left are awful people. Me thinks not. 
 

That poor girl wast brutally murdered and then chewed up and spit out by the MAGA Establishment. On to the next flashpoint I guess. 

 

What a weird argument that was. 

 

Welcome to 24/7 main stream media...It's not that they don't care, but that they care more about scoring political points and driving traffic. That's all media though isn't it? 

[73 Reds]

3 minutes ago, dealraker said:

Interestingly I come from a family where three have committed suicide, my mother's self-inflicted gun death is surely the most significant to me.  Yet owning guns for me and using them in recreation and being in the service have never given me the rage or whatnot to think of using them towards others even when I'm angry.  Guns in my family were simply a mandated part of life (as was serving the country) and maybe today's endless avenues for recreation make those of us from the past look pretty rough.  But there wasn't as much fun stuff to do long ago, you basically did what others did to interact and socialize.  Skeet shooting was my game, I competed for years.

 

In high school I carried shotguns to school every day on my gun rack.  We had a shooting club at all local high schools and I completed there a long with football, tennis and other stuff.  My vehicle was never locked on campus.

 

Today guns mean a completely different thing than when I was young.  Often they are used to intimidate and threaten, the association with them is a link to power over those you oppose, hate, and fear.  The preaching of intolerance for those who differ from you makes the previous sentence a link for what was, in my view, a part of Charlie Kirk's presentation.

 

We get what we get, awfulizing it ain't gunna stop it.  Maybe being more tolerant is the way, but all you need to do is read this thread and you'll quickly get jolted into the blisteringly clear realization that this ain't in the cards.  

That's a terrible family tragedy.  My familiarity with suicide involves several family friends and after decades I still can't come up with any answers.  To your other point I think most people are tolerant of others, it's just those "others" who are outspoken that often dominate the public narrative. 

[Sweet]

19 minutes ago, dealraker said:

Maybe being more tolerant is the way, but all you need to do is read this thread and you'll quickly get jolted into the blisteringly clear realization that this ain't in the cards.  

 

You're going to be like - I told you so with my reply - but what does that even mean. 

 

More tolerant of what?  Hurty words - sure.

 

People who kill because of hurty words - really?

 

 

17 minutes ago, Castanza said:

 

Definitely agree! Being divisive with large audiences has never been easier. 

 

Would be curious to know what those who lived through the Nixon era think about the current political climate. From a perspective of (I've read about it) it seems very similar.

 

 

 

Welcome to 24/7 main stream media...It's not that they don't care, but that they care more about scoring political points and driving traffic. That's all media though isn't it? 

 

Agree, its a new type of grift.  But if you don't like it turn it off.  I don't watch any of these guys grifting on division, Kirk wasn't remotely the worst, and he certainly didn't deserve a gunshot to the neck and to leave a widow and two fatherless kids.

 

What I find troubling is that you guys are all talking about division caused by words, but we are adults, turn it off and move on.  Far more concerning is that there a group of people that think nothing of killing someone because the were hurt with words but few of you guys are talking about that.

 

Edited September 11, 2025 by Sweet

[cubsfan]

41 minutes ago, Buckeye said:

It’ll be interesting to see if MAGA continues their charade of fake caring about the Ukrainian woman who was murdered, now that one of their own is dead and they have a much wedgier-wedge to use to “prove” that the people on the left are awful people. Me thinks not. 
 

That poor girl wast brutally murdered and then chewed up and spit out by the MAGA Establishment. On to the next flashpoint I guess. 

 

What a weird argument that was. 

 

What kind of idiotic take is this?

 

The immigrant was killed by a black that was freed by the DEI establishment - the very thing that MAGA is trying to get rid of....BLM & DEI are dying. Eyes are wide open.

[Castanza]

10 minutes ago, Sweet said:

Agree, its a new type of grift.  But if you don't like it turn it off.  I don't watch any of these guys grifting on division, Kirk wasn't remotely the worst, and he certain didn't deserve a gunshot to the neck and to leave a widow and two fatherless kids.

 

What I find troubling is that you guys are all talking about division caused by words, but we are adults, turn it off and move on.  Far more concerning is that there a group of people that think nothing of killing someone because they hurt them with words but few of you guys are talking about that.

 

I agree with you, just noting the context of Parsads point that with heightened political tension we should expect to see things like this. 

[cubsfan]

33 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

100%. I didn’t even know who Charlie Kirk was til yesterday. After some brief reading, I may of course have it wrong, but what I got was... He was a 31 year old whom enriched himself, basically monetizing divisiveness. 
 

The Ukrainian girl was murdered taking the train home from her real world, society contributing job. Charlie on the other hand was at self aggrandizing pep rally. 
 

It’s all such a shame. If nothing else I think everyone needs to take a step back and on 9/11 especially, realize the dangers of ideology.

 

Be good for you to take a much deeper look into Charlie Kirk. He's from a town about 20 miles from here. He started his movement by driving to colleges when he had no funding. This is not some racebaiter - Charlie was a truly wonderful human being.  I know it's not your thing to spend much time on media figures, but Kirk was the epitome of common sense and kindness.

[Gregmal]

7 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

Be good for you to take a much deeper look into Charlie Kirk. He's from a town about 20 miles from here. He started his movement by driving to colleges when he had no funding. This is not some racebaiter - Charlie was a truly wonderful human being.  I know it's not your thing to spend much time on media figures, but Kirk was the epitome of common sense and kindness.

From what I can tell, he stood for the right things. But he also made a fortune exploiting division which I detest. The larger point is the violence is abhorrent and unacceptable. Period. And I think it's pretty clear what MSM stands for. And I think it's almost factual when you state that ONE party pretty much owns the acceptance of violence. They and they only push for soft on crime legislation. They openly state that certain levels of crime are acceptable. They encourage violence against certain types. They do it in the name of "good" but it's largely a veil. Remember all the Nazis we were promised? Fast forward a decade, 5 years of which Trumps been in office, and the best we get on there Nazi front is stuff like "oh look an immigration officer doing his job" LMFAO. If there a party that stands for violence and openly pushes for the degradation of law and order or the free roaming of violent criminals, I think its almost factual at this point which one that is. 

 

But youre right. I dont like to follow much of this stuff. Its depressing. I dont want any part of it. Just wanna live my life around quality people. It's about individual choices. Whats sad is that theres fewer and fewer places in the country where thats doable these days. 

[cubsfan]

^^^ I'd agree with all of that. In regards to Kirk, you have someone who was passionate about fixing America and restoring American values. He was not about division - he was about understanding and a return to common sense.

[Buckeye]

44 minutes ago, whiskybravo said:

Hey @Buckeye I’ve appreciated your perspective and our recent back and forth.

 

That said, I think this take is off. You’re assuming bad faith.  That people only cared about the Ukrainian woman to score points, and that they’ll now drop her because Kirk was killed.  

 

People care deeply about both tragedies.  If anything, many are reacting so strongly now because two horrific things happened so close together.

Hey @whiskybravo, thanks for your reply.  I am trying not to assume anything.  Of course people care about both tragedies.  It seemed to me like the narrative that MAGA was creating around the murder of Ms. Zarutska, was "Look how bad these people on the left are.  This woman was murdered and they don't even care!  As evidenced by the fact that their media isn't even covering the story!"  That seemed to be the gist of what I was seeing.  Do I have that wrong?      

[Buckeye]

30 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

What kind of idiotic take is this?

 

The immigrant was killed by a black that was freed by the DEI establishment - the very thing that MAGA is trying to get rid of....BLM & DEI are dying. Eyes are wide open.

Sure @cubsfan, whatever you say.

[SharperDingaan]

Netanyahu made it socially 'OK' to use assassination as a tool, by which to systematically remove your opposition, and their 'infrastructure'; wherever, and whenever you choose. While a long standing tool in the toolbox, usually executed 'discreetly', Netanyahu made it a social media event. Doha as a more recent example.

 

It has also been a long standing tool in the US toolbox (4 assassinated presidents), and would seem to have been similarly 'revived'. Hard to imagine there are not going to be more of them, if you do indeed reap what you sew. 

 

SD     

Edited September 11, 2025 by SharperDingaan

[cubsfan]

2 minutes ago, Buckeye said:

Sure @cubsfan, whatever you say.

 

Pretty disgusting.  The DEI lunatics cut this criminal loose after 25 arrests - many violent.  The DEI mayor and police totally covered it up. A hard working investigator use a Free-of-Information order to obtain the tape - and broke the story. The coverup IS the story as well as the horrific murder.  

 

The feds have ripped this investigation out of the hands of the local DEI authorities as they know they tried to cover it up. 

 

This travesty does not fit the DEI narrative of "blacks killing white women".

 

Just stick a 25 year old white male killing a young black woman in the same manor and you would have rioting and cities burning down, just like George Floyd.

[Gregmal]

2 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

The DEI lunatics cut this criminal loose after 25 arrests - many violent.  The DEI mayor and police totally covered it up. A hard working investigator use a Free-of-Information order to obtain the tape - and broke the story.

Yup. And the fact that somebody with the kind of rap sheet is out on the streets is 100% the product of, in this case, the people in NC whom voted for it. Pretty cut and dry. 

[Sweet]

8 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

Pretty disgusting.  The DEI lunatics cut this criminal loose after 25 arrests - many violent.  The DEI mayor and police totally covered it up. A hard working investigator use a Free-of-Information order to obtain the tape - and broke the story. The coverup IS the story as well as the horrific murder.  

 

The feds have ripped this investigation out of the hands of the local DEI authorities as they know they tried to cover it up. 

 

This travesty does not fit the DEI narrative of "blacks killing white women".

 

Just stick a 25 year old white male killing a young black woman in the same manor and you would have rioting and cities burning down, just like George Floyd.

 

I thought we had moved on from the young woman that died, because, ya know, its all about making divisive political points and Kirk is a bigger one.  Doh.

[Buckeye]

13 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

Pretty disgusting.  The DEI lunatics cut this criminal loose after 25 arrests - many violent.  The DEI mayor and police totally covered it up. A hard working investigator use a Free-of-Information order to obtain the tape - and broke the story. The coverup IS the story as well as the horrific murder.  

 

The feds have ripped this investigation out of the hands of the local DEI authorities as they know they tried to cover it up. 

 

This travesty does not fit the DEI narrative of "blacks killing white women".

 

Just stick a 25 year old white male killing a young black woman in the same manor and you would have rioting and cities burning down, just like George Floyd.

Weird that you’re blaming all of this on Don Jr, Eric and Ivanka (DEI), but whatevs. 

[Gamecock-YT]

1 hour ago, Buckeye said:

It’ll be interesting to see if MAGA continues their charade of fake caring about the Ukrainian woman who was murdered, now that one of their own is dead and they have a much wedgier-wedge to use to “prove” that the people on the left are awful people. Me thinks not. 
 

That poor girl wast brutally murdered and then chewed up and spit out by the MAGA Establishment. On to the next flashpoint I guess. 

 

What a weird argument that was. 

 

On the bright side, it was the most the MAGA republicans have cared about a Ukraine issue since someone didn't wear a suit and say thank you.

[cubsfan]

2 minutes ago, Buckeye said:

Weird that you’re blaming all of this on Don Jr, Eric and Ivanka (DEI), but whatevs. 

 

Hey @Buckeye - sorry you stepped in the pile of shit. Maybe don't watch so much MSNBC next time.

 

The tragedy is real.

[Gregmal]

No they totally get it. It’s the embodiment of the left. Violence and innocent people being harmed…it’s not something they’re bothered by, it’s …funny…I guess 

[Buckeye]

5 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

Hey @Buckeye - sorry you stepped in the pile of shit. Maybe don't watch so much MSNBC next time.

 

The tragedy is real.

Dude be nice to yourself. You’re not a pile of shit. 

[cubsfan]

16 hours ago, cubsfan said:

 My bet is Antifa - we will see.

 

The shooter was a Trans Antifa Lunatic.  News leaking out from the ATF on munitions and rifle that was found.

[Sweet]

The ‘be kind’ people:

Just one of the hundreds like it, many far worse.

[Gregmal]

You really have to wonder if the end of the Democratic Party is near. I mean the best they come up with is lying and fabricating things like Republicans are Nazis or Pedo supports. Stuff thats clearly just preposterous. But I mean what they stand for is becoming pretty hard to associate with. I mean every time one of these incidents happens...anyone with a brain can pretty much tell you "who done it", what they'll likely look like, and their ideology. And it's always the same cloth it's cut from.