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[james22]

9 minutes ago, Xerxes said:

I am not a fan of globalist . . . 

 

The issue has come to a head with the accession of globalist banker and Net-Zero fanatic Mark Carney to the prime minister’s office, and the alarming possibility that the Liberal Party, which enjoyed three successive terms in which to devastate the country, is poised to win yet a fourth to complete the job.

 

Carney, who is far more crackerjack and dangerous than his hapless puppet Justin Trudeau, is just the man to make it happen.

 

As Action4Canada reminds us, Canadians don’t seem to care that Carney is an unrepentant globalist, a member of an oligarchic class that has “been contriving to create a dystopian future through fearmongering, misinformation, unscientific data, and manipulation.”

 

Climate change must be fought, goes the mantra, even if it means the de-industrialization and impoverishment of the market-dominated economy.

 

The Carneyesque project entails measures such as the six-year UN/WEF plan to reduce 

 

Annual meat consumption from 16kg of meat to zero

Annual dairy/milk from 90kg of milk to zero 

Number of clothing purchase/per person/per year from 8 items and then down to 3 items

Car ownership from 190 vehicles per 1000 people down to zero vehicles

 

That is the future that Carney is planning for Canada, which must reduce its comparatively miniscule emissions to zero even at the expense of its prosperity and possibly of its survival as a viable country.

 

Obviously, the likelihood of planetary salvation is pitched too far into the future to provide a scintilla of evidence for the validity of the policy. But if the world were to be saved tomorrow according to Carney’s intention, Canada will have ceased to exist. The problem is that Canada’s sacrifice on the altar of Gaia would yield no demonstrable result.

 

But Carney has been given a free ride. People are impressed by his resume, a CV, apparently, confected to dazzle a dull-witted and unsuspecting public with red ribbon appointments, accomplishments and awards.

 

People do not seem to understand that CVs may be deceptive, for two reasons. What is not included in a CV may be just as or even more revealing than what is. Additionally, much of what glitters therein is not gold but mica.

 

Nigel Hannaford at the Western Standard interviews an elderly female Carney voter who bears eloquent witness to this form of cognitive deficiency. “I like Carney,” she enthuses. “He has a good resume, you know. He was a banker.”

 

Hannaford responds by asking her: “how do you feel about the fact that he wants to choke our oil industry? Or that as a professed church-going Catholic, he won't condemn abortion? That he wants to bring back the Online Harms Act? He's in thick with people who don't like people having too much freedom to travel or eat beef. He's all about making you use less electricity by making it more expensive.”

 

Her typically Canadian reply was about as predictable as Carney’s election appears to be: “I wouldn't know about any of that. But you know, he seems steady. Makes me feel safe. He's not going to change things.”

 

It boggles the mind. 

 

https://pjmedia.com/david-solway-2/2025/04/18/is-canada-brain-dead-n4939030

[james22]

25 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

Totally dependent on somebody bigger, uglier, and more versatile to feed it what it needs to be unique.

 

Exactly.

 

You can’t truly call yourself ‘peaceful’ unless you are capable of great violence.

 

If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful, you’re harmless.

[Gregmal]

23 minutes ago, Xerxes said:

I am glad you enjoyed your trip to Montreal. I lived here for +30 years. 
 

Come back again in summer. It just gets better. 

Yea we ve had serious Montreal summer home discussions at the family table the past 4-5 years. It’s just such a wonderfully bustling, diverse, beautiful area. Food options are insane. Golf, fishing, etc. Currency advantages are awesome too. We ate at Monarque which beat the heck out of anything I’ve had in the states in years and the bill was like $300 USD.
 

Awesome place to spend 6-10 weeks a year for a privileged American. 

Edited April 19, 2025 by Gregmal

[Sweet]

35 minutes ago, Xerxes said:

 

Poilievre is career politician whereas Carney is not. Sure the latter served for the government as governor of the central bank. But I value his experience, network, far more than Poilievre when it comes to reorienting the Canadian economy. 
 

I am not a fan of globalist, part of the reason why I did like Trump, but globalist is what Canada needs, not backward we-will-unban-plastic-straw conservative. 

 

What does Pierre got ? Trumpism (until backfired); Carbon tax (no longer an issue), Trudeau (no longer there). What exactly he got to offer to push Canada more toward Europe. 

Pierre had the policies that Carney et al are now copying.  That’s what he has got.

 

Why is a career politician a bad thing?  Trump - who you don’t seem to like - he isn’t a career politician.

 

Carney was advisor to Trudeau, you were living Carney’s policy.

 

Carney seems to want a bigger state, Pierre a smaller one with more money in the pockets of people.

 

Thats totally aside from a wide range of social issues, from trans, speech, drug policy, immigration policy.

 

I just don’t understand how you could vote for more of the same that got Canada in the mess many Canadians agree the country has been in.

 

Especially when you can’t point to any policy of Carney’s that you support.  And also because I don’t think Pierre is anything like Trump.

 

Edit - not trying to get at you, you vote for whatever you want, even if it is just branding.  I just don’t get it, that’s all.

Edited April 19, 2025 by Sweet

[cwericb]

Okay, this is coming from one who has never voted Liberal* in his life: (*Note capital "L") But is still undecided at this point.

 

                                                               Carney vs Poilevere

Carney: Former head of Bank of Canada (Guided Canada through GFC with barely a scratch), 

              Former head of Bank of England (Guided Britain through Brexit), 

              Former Chairman at Brookfield Asset Management (BAM) a nice little Canadian company.

 

Poilievre: Career politician.

 

 

[cubsfan]

I don't know anything about Carney, but he sounds like Obama.

 

Obama fooled everyone. Ran as a "moderate", but underneath he was a total leftist and globalist.

He set the country back years in terms of race relations, as well as social issues.

 

All I can say is good luck with Carney!

[Sweet]

7 minutes ago, cwericb said:

Okay, this is coming from one who has never voted Liberal* in his life: (*Note capital "L") But is still undecided at this point.

 

                                                               Carney vs Poilevere

Carney: Former head of Bank of Canada (Guided Canada through GFC with barely a scratch), 

              Former head of Bank of England (Guided Britain through Brexit), 

              Former Chairman at Brookfield Asset Management (BAM) a nice little Canadian company.

 

Poilievre: Career politician.

 

 

Are you making any of the your decisions based on policy, or is it simply the CV?

 

Why does Carney get a furnished CV but Pierre doesn’t get what he did in government as a minister or leader of the opposition?

 

I mean, we accept those are all the things that Carney did, so why not be fair to Pierre?

 

Your comment is hugely biased, you see that I’m sure.

 

Edited April 19, 2025 by Sweet

[Xerxes]

Based on GROK

A platform owned by Pierre’ fanboy on the things he opposed and his new ideas:

 

The only useful thing I see is his push for the natural gas pipeline.

 

The TFSA thing is ridiculous. While I dont mind the extra room in the TFSA, the pitch that it brings capital to Canadian industries is ludicrous. 
 

For the most part that extra money is better be spend in the real economy. Far greater benefit for the society. But the selfish me wants the extra room for TFSA. 

 

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    •  Poilievre has consistently opposed the carbon tax, arguing it increases living costs for Canadians. His advocacy, including a 2023 motion, pressured the Liberal government to pause the consumer portion of the carbon tax, a move he celebrated as a win for affordability.
    •  He voted against expanding the Canada Pension Plan (CPP) in 2016, opposing a significant enhancement that increased benefits by 33%, aligning with financial industry interests over broader worker benefits.
    •  He opposed raising the Old Age Security (OAS) eligibility age from 65 to 67 in 2012 and voted against a 10% OAS increase for seniors over 75 in 2021, citing fiscal concerns.
    •  Poilievre has voted against affordable housing initiatives multiple times (2006, 2009, 2010, 2013, 2014, 2018, 2019) and, as Housing Minister under Harper, oversaw policies that critics claim allowed 800,000 affordable rental units to be sold to corporate landlords. He has also proposed terminating the federal Housing Accelerator Fund, which supports municipal housing construction.

4.  Recent Policy Proposals:
    •  In 2025, Poilievre proposed increasing the Tax-Free Savings Account (TFSA) contribution limit by $5,000 annually, but only for investments in Canadian companies, framing it as a “Canada First” policy to boost domestic economic growth and counter U.S. economic pressures.
    •  He has promised to scrap the Liberal government’s single-use plastics ban, including restoring plastic straws, and to build a natural gas pipeline from Alberta to Quebec to enhance energy independence.
    •  Poilievre has advocated for harsher penalties for drug-related crimes, proposing life sentences for fentanyl traffickers to address the opioid crisis.

 

[Sweet]

26 minutes ago, Xerxes said:

Based on GROK

A platform owned by Pierre’ fanboy on the things he opposed and his new ideas:

 

The only useful thing I see is his push for the natural gas pipeline.

 

The TFSA thing is ridiculous. While I dont mind the extra room in the TFSA, the pitch that it brings capital to Canadian industries is ludicrous. 
 

For the most part that extra money is better be spend in the real economy. Far greater benefit for the society. But the selfish me wants the extra room for TFSA. 

 

-///—-

 

    •  Poilievre has consistently opposed the carbon tax, arguing it increases living costs for Canadians. His advocacy, including a 2023 motion, pressured the Liberal government to pause the consumer portion of the carbon tax, a move he celebrated as a win for affordability.
    •  He voted against expanding the Canada Pension Plan (CPP) in 2016, opposing a significant enhancement that increased benefits by 33%, aligning with financial industry interests over broader worker benefits.
    •  He opposed raising the Old Age Security (OAS) eligibility age from 65 to 67 in 2012 and voted against a 10% OAS increase for seniors over 75 in 2021, citing fiscal concerns.
    •  Poilievre has voted against affordable housing initiatives multiple times (2006, 2009, 2010, 2013, 2014, 2018, 2019) and, as Housing Minister under Harper, oversaw policies that critics claim allowed 800,000 affordable rental units to be sold to corporate landlords. He has also proposed terminating the federal Housing Accelerator Fund, which supports municipal housing construction.

4.  Recent Policy Proposals:
    •  In 2025, Poilievre proposed increasing the Tax-Free Savings Account (TFSA) contribution limit by $5,000 annually, but only for investments in Canadian companies, framing it as a “Canada First” policy to boost domestic economic growth and counter U.S. economic pressures.
    •  He has promised to scrap the Liberal government’s single-use plastics ban, including restoring plastic straws, and to build a natural gas pipeline from Alberta to Quebec to enhance energy independence.
    •  Poilievre has advocated for harsher penalties for drug-related crimes, proposing life sentences for fentanyl traffickers to address the opioid crisis.

 

 

That’s not a particularly good summary of the CPC policy position.  I asked ChatGPT to summarise their manifesto:
 

———

 

The Conservative Party of Canada, under leader Pierre Poilievre, has outlined a platform centered on economic revitalization, national sovereignty, and social conservatism. This platform is detailed in their official policy declaration and has been further elaborated through speeches and party conventions.

 

Balanced Budgets: Commitment to implementing balanced budget legislation to control government spending and reduce national debt.

Tax Reforms: Proposals to repeal the carbon tax and introduce tax cuts aimed at alleviating the financial burden on Canadians.

 

Housing Initiatives: Plans to increase housing supply by incentivizing municipalities to build more homes, including tying federal infrastructure funding to housing development targets and selling federal properties for affordable housing projects.

 

Resource Development: Support for expanding Canada energy sector by approving projects like the Ring of Fire mining initiative and repealing legislation perceived as hindering pipeline development.

Environmental Approach: Advocacy for utilizing technology over taxation to address environmental concerns, emphasizing affordable energy production.

Family and Gender Policies: Adoption of policies opposing gender-affirming medical procedures for minors and advocating for the protection of single-sex spaces in areas like sports and shelters.

 

Healthcare Autonomy: Support for individuals rights to make personal medical decisions, including the right to refuse vaccines or employment training on ideological grounds.

 

Trade and Defense: Proposals to implement reciprocal tariffs in response to unjustified trade actions and plans to bolster Arctic sovereignty through increased military presence and infrastructure.

 

Government Accountability: Initiatives to enhance transparency and reduce bureaucratic inefficiencies, including reforms to the Senate and Supreme Court appointment processes.

Federalism: Efforts to strengthen provincial autonomy and reduce interprovincial trade barriers.

 

————

 

It misses drug policy and immigration but covers most of it.

 

Carney saying today that he is going to run higher deficits to invest in infrastructure.

 

 

Edited April 19, 2025 by Sweet

[Xerxes]

1 hour ago, Sweet said:

Edit - not trying to get at you, you vote for whatever you want, even if it is just branding.  I just don’t get it, that’s all.

 

All good.

I appreciate the pushback. 
 

[lnofeisone]

22 hours ago, Spekulatius said:

Doge and cyber insecurity:

https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/whistleblower-complaint-exposes-doge-cybersecurity-failures-a-28046
 

Disabling logging. Logins from Russia with valid passwords? Using external scraping tools… sound pretty bad to me. We may have all been hacked.

If this turns out to be true, this is absolutely insane. And if this is their MO in every agency, it's beyond absurd. I know a lot of them will get pardoned at the Federal level, but I can't wait for some justice at the state level. 

[cwericb]

Thanks all for your input. As you know Canadians don't get to vote for our Prime Minister. So one of the guys in my riding is a bit of a dick so that tends to simplify things somewhat and my vote will likely remain blue.

[SharperDingaan]

Whatever one might think of the elected government; if there is an annexation, there is no Canada. Canada needs its best to step up, and to grant them a strong mandate to act in our best collective interest.

 

Six months ago the conservatives would have had a clear majority, today it is highly likely that they will not even form a minority government. To screw up that badly, a political party has to be truly gifted - hence worsening poll results should not be a surprise. Inability to manage your own shop, is not a good advertisement.

 

While the US may be fine with change via chaos ... not so much in Canada. 

 

SD

   

[Sweet]

25 minutes ago, SharperDingaan said:

Six months ago the conservatives would have had a clear majority, today it is highly likely that they will not even form a minority government. To screw up that badly, a political party has to be truly gifted - hence worsening poll results should not be a surprise. Inability to manage your own shop, is not a good advertisement.

What specific things did the CPC do to screw it up?  I don’t recall any gaffes.

[Sweet]

5 hours ago, cubsfan said:

 

Putin will need to fall in line, or it's going to be Europe's problem. 

 

Look for oil embargos and asset freezing against Russia for Trump's next move.

 

Europe better hope so.

But cubs, asset freezes and an oil embargo is already in place by Western countries.

 

Do you mean going further?  If yes, what  is on the table.

[SharperDingaan]

32 minutes ago, Sweet said:

What specific things did the CPC do to screw it up?  I don’t recall any gaffes.

 

Poilievre is just bad; but got away with the Trump approach because Trudeau was so much worse, hence +25% ahead in the polls. Forcing Trudeau to resign made Poilievre the bad guy, the CPC lost their advantage, and the CPC lead fell to less than 5%. Trump did his thing, the liberals got their sh1te together, the CPC were unable to adequately pivot, and the CPC lead turned into a trailing 10%. Between the date of the English debate and election day, that trailing 10% may well get worse as/when PC in-fighting breaks out into the public (simply 'cause the more it looks like yet another opposition term, the more the knives will come out). 

 

SD

 

 

 

 

Edited April 19, 2025 by SharperDingaan

[Sweet]

6 minutes ago, SharperDingaan said:

 

Poilievre is just bad; but got away with the Trump approach because Trudeau was so much worse, hence +25% ahead in the polls. Forcing Trudeau to resign made Poilievre the bad guy, the CPC lost their advantage, and the CPC lead fell to less than 5%. Trump did his thing, the liberals got their sh1te together, the CPC were unable to adequately pivot, and the CPC lead turned into a trailing 10%. Between the date of the English debate and election day, that trailing 10% may well get worse as/when PC in-fighting breaks out into the public (simply 'cause the more it looks like yet another opposition term, the more the knives will come out). 

 

SD

 

 

 

 

Huh?  He didn’t force Trudeau to resign.  Trudeau resigned because he tried to replace his finance minister in the midst of terrible poll numbers and his party turned against him.  I don’t understand why you would say something which just isn’t true.

 

It’s not so much that the CPC tanked in the polls, it’s that the Liberals had a resurrection coming from 20% to plus 40%.  Even before Trudeau left office Trump was giving the Liberals a bounce.  Poilievre’s message got a bit stale, but I can’t think of any major blundlers.

 

A lot of politics is circumstance, being in the right point in history.  CPC did well because of rampant inflation and because the Trudea was not liked.  Now Liberals are doing well because Trudeau is gone and Trump has pissed Canadians off.

[cubsfan]

25 minutes ago, Sweet said:

But cubs, asset freezes and an oil embargo is already in place by Western countries.

 

Do you mean going further?  If yes, what  is on the table.

 

 

Nothing is on the table yet.

 

If you listen to the last 3 minutes, he talks about Russia. Seems to me, if there is no movement on the Russians stalling - the US is likely to try and stop Russian oil shipments to China, start arming Ukraine, and somehow attempt further banking asset freezes. Or some combination of the three.

 

Promises to get dicey. Too bad.

[SharperDingaan]

3 hours ago, Sweet said:

Huh?  He didn’t force Trudeau to resign.  Trudeau resigned because he tried to replace his finance minister in the midst of terrible poll numbers and his party turned against him.  I don’t understand why you would say something which just isn’t true.

 

It’s not so much that the CPC tanked in the polls, it’s that the Liberals had a resurrection coming from 20% to plus 40%.  Even before Trudeau left office Trump was giving the Liberals a bounce.  Poilievre’s message got a bit stale, but I can’t think of any major blundlers.

 

A lot of politics is circumstance, being in the right point in history.  CPC did well because of rampant inflation and because the Trudea was not liked.  Now Liberals are doing well because Trudeau is gone and Trump has pissed Canadians off.

 

I seem to recall a different history. One where Trudeau was losing so badly to Poilieve, that after a series of blunders, the only way out for the liberals was to change their leadership. Put In more blunt terms, Poilieve forced the resignation of Trudeau, and at the same time blew away his biggest asset ...  the widespread dislike of Trudeau.

 

The conservatives should be cruising to an easy majority rule; Poilieve has instead very likely put them back into official opposition. He simply made bad choices, and no amount of lipstick on the pig is going to change that. If he doesn't win, it doesn't go well.

 

Apr-28 we will all find out.

 

SD

 

 

Edited April 20, 2025 by SharperDingaan

[John Hjorth]

14 hours ago, John Hjorth said:

Reuters - World, Europe [April 19^th 2025] : Russia's Putin declares unilateral Easter ceasefire in Ukraine.

 

- - - o 0 o - - -

 

Finally, Putin is giving in, just a bit, an inch. At least that's better than nothing, likely because of hard negotiation pressure by USA. We must just hope that Ukraine follows suit.

 

After checking up on the status on this, this morning, it turns out it was in reality all hot air and spin by Putin, without any real content, nor intent, and the hostilities never really came to a stop yesterday.

 

Total *BS* Oh well.

 

- - - o 0 o - - -

 

Edit :

 

 

Edited April 20, 2025 by John Hjorth

[Sweet]

3 hours ago, SharperDingaan said:

 

I seem to recall a different history. One where Trudeau was losing so badly to Poilieve, that after a series of blunders, the only way out for the liberals was to change their leadership. Put In more blunt terms, Poilieve forced the resignation of Trudeau, and at the same time blew away his biggest asset ...  the widespread dislike of Trudeau.

 

The conservatives should be cruising to an easy majority rule; Poilieve has instead very likely put them back into official opposition. He simply made bad choices, and no amount of lipstick on the pig is going to change that. If he doesn't win, it doesn't go well.

 

Apr-28 we will all find out.

 

SD

 

 

Right, the Liberals were doing so badly that they got rid of their leader.  Doesn’t make Poilievre look like a ‘bad guy’.

 

I don’t know what these bad choices by Poilievre were.  It looks like Canada is going to vote for more of the same on the 28th. More high tax, high spending, high regulation, and the same cultural and social policies as before.  I fear that will be the bad choice.

[Sweet]

7 hours ago, cubsfan said:

 

 

Nothing is on the table yet.

 

If you listen to the last 3 minutes, he talks about Russia. Seems to me, if there is no movement on the Russians stalling - the US is likely to try and stop Russian oil shipments to China, start arming Ukraine, and somehow attempt further banking asset freezes. Or some combination of the three.

 

Promises to get dicey. Too bad.

Thanks.  I hope this is the way.  But I fear it won’t be.

 

Edited April 20, 2025 by Sweet

[Parsad]

On 4/18/2025 at 3:42 PM, Castanza said:

Plenty of mudslinging going around from all parties….I’ve read plenty of “cheeseburger eating obese American” comments the last few days. Including from Parsad himself. If you can dish it you should take it. But I’ve seen unprovoked comments from both sides of the “aisle.” Thats just the environment we are in and after all this is an anonymous forum. 
 

We’re all children at heart
 

 

 

I called Trump a fat fucker...that's it.  Didn't say anything about "cheeseburger eating obese Americans".  

[Blake Hampton]

 

< 27% normal or underweight

[Parsad]

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