Have We Hit The Top?

[Red Lion]

1 hour ago, rogermunibond said:

western, educated, industrialized, rich democracies.

You don’t have to go so far back into the history books to see other examples. eg the opium wars. 

[Castanza]

7 hours ago, Malmqky said:

 

 

Of course the black market wouldn’t be eliminated, but the international drug trade/organized crime portion would be destroyed/crippled. 

 

Addicts would just buy the cheaper, easier, cleaner, better and legal product. The goal is to make it so there’s no money to be made by manufacturing/reselling on a massive scale.

 

Yes people would still resell in small quantities and stuff, I meant the government shouldn’t be selling to non-addicts. Impossible to buy from government (prescription needed maybe?).

 

This is a fanciful thought that I don’t actually think is the complete answer, but worth discussing.

I think just legalizing it and allowing the free market to come up with solutions etc. makes the most sense. I think if you go a step further and try to regulate it (in the context you mentioned) that it just creates another black market. 
 

There is always going to be a subset of people not taking drugs now that will try them if legal. But I think the positives outweigh the negatives from a societal level. 
 

@Spekulatius the majority of the people who take heavy thugs now would do so whether they are legal or not. If heroin is legal tomorrow there would be a percentage of people who will try it….but by and large most would not. I mean would you? Drugs are not difficult to get as it is. I mean we can’t even keep them out of super max prisons. 
 

No real good solution imo…it’s a sad aspect of life, but I think some approaches offer better outcomes or paths forward for those individuals who go down that road. That’s probably the best we can do. 

Edited 18 hours ago by Castanza

[rogermunibond]

1 hour ago, Red Lion said:

You don’t have to go so far back into the history books to see other examples. eg the opium wars. 

yeah I take that back.  The UNODC 2024 report has a lot of data (not all of it good or even up to date but it’s the best available).  Heroin addiction is a big problem in Iran, Afghanistan, Russia, Ukraine, Eastern Europe. Opioids is a much bigger issue in US, UK, Canada, Australia, Sweden, Egypt, Nigeria, India, Pakistan. 60 million opioid/opiate addicts globally. 
 

[changegonnacome]

On 11/26/2024 at 4:26 PM, changegonnacome said:

realize that Mr.Trump is the most PR president that has ever held office (i mean they all are)......actually moving the ball down the field in a real sense rarely comes into it........what matters is the headline, the photo, the soundbite and the perception of promises made, promises kept.........give him a public 'win' that can go on the front page of the WSJ, NYT or trend on X for his supporters to cooo over

 

Voila......and just like that.........the Southern Border has been 'fixed', the migrant crisis ended....all in a phone call with the President of Mexico......and effective immediately! Wonderful to hear it.

 

https://nypost.com/2024/11/27/us-news/trump-says-mexicos-president-has-agreed-to-stop-migrants-from-crossing-the-us-border-illegally/

 

“Mexico will stop people from going to our Southern Border, effective immediately,” the 45th president said.

 

“She has agreed to stop Migration through Mexico, and into the United States, effectively closing our Southern Border,” he added. 

 

 

[mcliu]

Something got really fucked up in the US/Canada the last 20 years.. Maybe if we can figure out what that is, we can reverse it.

Even if you can get back to the 80s/90s/2000 levels, that would be a massive win for society.

 

 

[Spooky]

9 hours ago, mcliu said:

Something got really fucked up in the US/Canada the last 20 years.. Maybe if we can figure out what that is, we can reverse it.

Even if you can get back to the 80s/90s/2000 levels, that would be a massive win for society.

 

 

My guess is the legal mass over prescription of Oxycontin. It lead to many people getting addicted to opiates. It's a terrible tragedy.

[cubsfan]

14 hours ago, changegonnacome said:

 

Voila......and just like that.........the Southern Border has been 'fixed', the migrant crisis ended....all in a phone call with the President of Mexico......and effective immediately! Wonderful to hear it.

 

https://nypost.com/2024/11/27/us-news/trump-says-mexicos-president-has-agreed-to-stop-migrants-from-crossing-the-us-border-illegally/

 

“Mexico will stop people from going to our Southern Border, effective immediately,” the 45th president said.

 

“She has agreed to stop Migration through Mexico, and into the United States, effectively closing our Southern Border,” he added. 

 

 

 

Finally the adults are in charge and the nationwide nightmare ends.

[Spekulatius]

Problem was already fixed anyways - illegal border crosses were way down in October:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-s-mexico-border-migrant-crossings-reach-new-biden-era-low/

[cubsfan]

10 minutes ago, Spekulatius said:

Problem was already fixed anyways - illegal border crosses were way down in October:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-s-mexico-border-migrant-crossings-reach-new-biden-era-low/

 

Nothing but a head fake by the losing party. 

 

Americans didn't fall for it.

[Spekulatius]

12 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

Nothing but a head fake by the losing party. 

 

Americans didn't fall for it.

You claim the data isn’t correct? I believe the dems have been tone def to illegal immigration for too long and the pivot was too late.

Trump is great at propaganda. He will sell the same economy that we have right now as the greatest ever (which it is) and MAGA folks will believe it after thinking the same state of affairs was shitty a one.

 

 

[cubsfan]

2 minutes ago, Spekulatius said:

You claim the data isn’t correct? I believe the dems have been tone def to illegal immigration for too long and the pivot was too late.

Trump is great at propaganda. He will sell the same economy that we have right now as the greatest ever (which it is) and MAGA folks will believe it after thinking the same state of affairs was shitty a one.

 

 

 

We all know that the very brief shutdown of the border was a political stunt by Harris to win the election.

 

Take it from the people closest to the problem: US Border Agents

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/border-patrol-morale-through-roof-after-trumps-re-election-union-says

 

They finally get to enforce the laws and keep the country safe again.

[Red Lion]

5 hours ago, Spooky said:

 

My guess is the legal mass over prescription of Oxycontin. It lead to many people getting addicted to opiates. It's a terrible tragedy.

And then the rug got pulled and they all switched to heroin. And then the heroin got contaminated with fentanyl. All over the last 12 years.