Liberty Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 The stupid sh.. we have to waste time on: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/04/24/coronavirus-latest-news/ President Trump is facing widespread backlash after musing during a White House briefing that disinfectants could be injected into coronavirus patients’ bodies to kill the virus. Medical professionals and makers of household cleaning products responded by urging people not to inject or ingest disinfectants, which are highly toxic. The outcry over the president’s remarks came as the covid-19 death toll in the United States approached 50,000, with more than 869,000 confirmed cases. Globally, the reported death toll is nearing 200,000, and more than 2.7 million infections have been confirmed Birx reaction: https://v.redd.it/048ery4q0ou41
Spekulatius Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 Yes, I don't want to wade in on the politics, but last night (and at other times in the briefings), he just sounds like a confused grandad, rambling on incoherently. The best political ads the democrats can run for the election are just going to be short clips from his daily WH COVID-19 news briefings.
rb Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 At last... another potential cure! After a Homeland Security official mentioned the ability of disinfectants like bleach to kill the coronavirus on surfaces, Trump remarked on the effectiveness. “And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?” Trump said during his daily press briefing at the White House. “Because you see it gets on the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it’d be interesting to check that. So that you’re going to have to use medical doctors, but it sounds — it sounds interesting to me.” Yes, I see it now: intravenous bleach infusion, bombardment with UV rays, gamma rays, etc etc and patients will be straight up cured! And his apologists were out defending hydroxychloroquine because this guy was behind it... We now proudly celebrate ignorance in our culture--and you see the manifestation here on this forum and in the population at large. The consequences of said ignorance unfortunately does not merely fall on the ignorant, but spreads to the wider population via collateral damage. Oh well. I read this and and first i thought that cwericb and dalas were having a bit of fun. ...But then I saw the video. What.... the fuck?!
clutch Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 if you look back at past flu epidemics (and there were 80K deaths in US in 2018), there was more fatalities for children and non-elderly than covid. so what we did here was panic, based upon an assumed 3-4% mortality rate of those infected, not appreciating the number of infected without symptoms was much greater than assumed, and instituted an unprecedented lock down of our entire economy, when we should have realized based upon early covid evidence that a focus upon elderly was most efficacious. and then we ignored the elderly largely by not ordering a no-visitation policy until late in the game. Okay, this is the last time I will correct you for a few weeks. The experts prediction of both mild/asymptomatic cases and IFR are accurate. Maybe it is your lack of expertise that is the issue (for example not knowing the difference between IFR and CFR)? The original model presented by the White House estimated 1.5M-2.2M deaths, if there was no mitigation. Guess how many deaths there would be assuming your 0.67% "mortality rate" and an attack rate of 70% (rough estimate of infection rate needed for herd immunity)? 328M * 0.7 * .0067 = 1.5M Seems pretty accurate to me. Maybe the experts know more about this pandemic than Cerzeca? Something doesn't seem right though, so help me understand. The same White House model projected that 100,000 and 240,000 would die with the mitigation measures in place. Are they speculating that there will be a vaccine available before the US reaches the attack rate? Another possible explanation -- If you flatten the curve, you might be able to avoid some deaths due to the healthcare system overflow, but I expect that the area under the curve would still be similar (compared to when you have a spike). So are they saying that they would save an order of magnitude of lives by keeping the health care system below the threshold? Part of my problem with these projections is that there is no transparency or explanation whatsoever... The reason for the discrepancy is that in the white house models and what we see is that in those models they assumed a 50% compliance with the shelter in place/whatever you may call them orders. What was observed is that the compliance rate is around 90%. So big miss on the assumption there. You basically have the numbers coming below the model because the quarantine is working way better because the people are behaving much, much better than assumed. They are taking it more seriously than the government assumed and that is making the quarantine much more effective. No, that doesn't address my question. I'm not questioning the discrepancy between the projection and actual data here (although that is also important). I'm curious how the experts came to project a much lower number of deaths with the mitigation in place. KCLarkin suggested that the projection of 1.5M-2.2M deaths was based on: 328M * 0.7 * .0067 = 1.5M assuming that people die until the US reaches the herd immunity, without any mitigation measures. But how is the number reduced to 100,000-240,000 with the mitigation measures? Does this mean we do not reach the herd immunity in this case? Then, why would the death number stop at 100,000-240,000? Are they banking on a potential cure or vaccine? If so, have they indicated this at any time? There are other factors that are modeled in mitigation other than compliance such as reasonable ramp up of testing and tracing to bring the overall R0 down during and after the shelter in place is slowly removed. Clearly experts were wrong on how dysfunctional the policy response will be even after 2 months of this. Those measures would slow down the infection rate, not the total number of deaths. Unless you get a vaccine or cure, the number of deaths would simply get stretched out over time. The area under the flattened curve can still the same as a sharp one. So the projections must have taken account some scenario that the virus would be mostly irradicated. Or not? None of the journalists ever asked this question?? Maybe the projections are time bound? What is the time period then? I think a lot of people should pay attention to other than Faux news and do a proper DD into what is actually being done and reported. These model (one by white house and other) have been very well reported. And they get updated as new data comes in - http://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america http://www.healthdata.org/covid/data-downloads https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf Well, I live in Canada and don't watch Fox. And not sure what this question has anything to do with it. The first two resources you share show data and not any of the assumptions/parameters used in the models. So they don't answer my question. I did find an answer in the paper you shared: "The major challenge of suppression is that this type of intensive intervention package – or something equivalently effective at reducing transmission – will need to be maintained until a vaccine becomes available (potentially 18 months or more) – given that we predict that transmission will quickly rebound if interventions are relaxed." If this is the assumption behind the government's projections, does the public know? You can't expect people to look up and read these scientific papers. Also, say we keep on with this intervention approach for 18 months -- do people realize what the total death numbers would be like IF there was no vaccine? In the end, it will be pretty much similar to the number as the case without the intervention (minus the number of deaths due to healthcare system overload). That is because the number of people who get infected and die will still be the same, just stretched over a much longer period -- the area under the two curves are about the same. All this while the entire economy is shut down. So really, this intervention approach is in there to buy us time. Hoping that a vaccine is developed. It's a reasonable approach given that we could potentially save more lives this way than just letting everyone gets infected within a short period of time. But I never hear any government official or press communicates this important assumption... which leads me to believe that most of the public do not know what the "flatten the curve" strategy really entails.
Dalal.Holdings Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 At last... another potential cure! After a Homeland Security official mentioned the ability of disinfectants like bleach to kill the coronavirus on surfaces, Trump remarked on the effectiveness. “And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?” Trump said during his daily press briefing at the White House. “Because you see it gets on the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it’d be interesting to check that. So that you’re going to have to use medical doctors, but it sounds — it sounds interesting to me.” Yes, I see it now: intravenous bleach infusion, bombardment with UV rays, gamma rays, etc etc and patients will be straight up cured! And his apologists were out defending hydroxychloroquine because this guy was behind it... We now proudly celebrate ignorance in our culture--and you see the manifestation here on this forum and in the population at large. The consequences of said ignorance unfortunately does not merely fall on the ignorant, but spreads to the wider population via collateral damage. Oh well. I read this and and first i thought that cwericb and dalas were having a bit of fun. ...But then I saw the video. What.... the fuck?! This is no joke. The real joke is that some people keep rationalizing/defending this guy’s conduct. 50K dead. Not much else to say.
Investor20 Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 There is no need to do all these complicated calculations to compare flu and Covid. Take Sweden with low mitigation efforts. They had 213 deaths/million or 72000 deaths for 340 million (US population). Take Japan with low mitigation efforts. They had 3 deaths/million or 1,020 deaths for 340 million (US population). When Dr. Fauci said Covid has 1.0% deaths rate, ten times more than Flu, that to most people would mean 10 times 50,000 flu deaths or predicted 500,000 deaths for US without mitigation. The 500K deaths prediction by Dr. Fauci is off with Sweden by 7 fold, let alone Japan by 500 fold, both countries with low mitigation efforts. And Japan had very low mitigation. https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2020/04/826fe0930a43-only-18-of-japanese-stopped-going-to-work-due-to-covid-19-poll.html?via=webuproar Only 18 percent of people in Japan have stopped going to work due to the novel coronavirus, the lowest level in 26 countries and territories covered in a recent survey. The United States stood at 32 percent.
DooDiligence Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 At last... another potential cure! After a Homeland Security official mentioned the ability of disinfectants like bleach to kill the coronavirus on surfaces, Trump remarked on the effectiveness. “And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?” Trump said during his daily press briefing at the White House. “Because you see it gets on the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it’d be interesting to check that. So that you’re going to have to use medical doctors, but it sounds — it sounds interesting to me.” Yes, I see it now: intravenous bleach infusion, bombardment with UV rays, gamma rays, etc etc and patients will be straight up cured! And his apologists were out defending hydroxychloroquine because this guy was behind it... We now proudly celebrate ignorance in our culture--and you see the manifestation here on this forum and in the population at large. The consequences of said ignorance unfortunately does not merely fall on the ignorant, but spreads to the wider population via collateral damage. Oh well. I read this and and first i thought that cwericb and dalas were having a bit of fun. ...But then I saw the video. What.... the fuck?! This is no joke. The real joke is that some people keep rationalizing/defending this guy’s conduct. 50K dead. Not much else to say. "Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer claimed Friday that the controversy over Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s suggestion that states should be allowed to declare bankruptcy amid the pandemic has given new momentum to a federal bailout." If we get another 4 years of this fat orange pinhead, the USA will likely be divided & destroyed. Hopefully McConnell & his ilk will get the boot as well.
bobp Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 If you've ever wondered for whom we put do not drink labels on bleach you've found your man.
DooDiligence Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 Pro tip, for anyone who's been contemplating shoving a flashlight up their keister to kill COVID. As tempting as it may sound, use a candle instead. Sincerely, Donnie
StubbleJumper Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 If you've ever wondered for whom we put do not drink labels on bleach you've found your man. Christ, I just about shot coffee out my nose when I read that! SJ
ERICOPOLY Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 It will be interesting to watch for the orange to disappear now that he's been thoroughly schooled on the effectiveness of light therapy on viral infections.
Liberty Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 Podcast episode on who's organizing the lockdown protests.. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/22/podcasts/the-daily/coronavirus-lockdown-protests.html Of course a bunch of wealthy people and political operatives and law firms directly tied to the white house: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/22/podcasts/the-daily/coronavirus-lockdown-protests.html
Investor20 Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 Pro tip, for anyone who's been contemplating shoving a flashlight up their keister to kill COVID. As tempting as it may sound, use a candle instead. Sincerely, Donnie You guys should not talk junk without knowing what you are saying. Photodynamic therapy is an established therapy. Its used to treat cancers in lung or digestive systems by shinning light onto the tumors using optical fiber inserted into the body with light wavelength that the tumor is sensitive. Read about it below. https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/lung-cancer/treatment/photodynamic-therapy-pdt You could definitely shine UV light that the virus is sensitive to in lungs. Is it effective? I dont know. Anyway, Trump was asking a question to the scientist "may be you can, may be you can't", means he actually doesnt know it.
Liberty Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 There is no need to do all these complicated calculations to compare flu and Covid. Take Sweden with low mitigation efforts. They had 213 deaths/million or 72000 deaths for 340 million (US population). Take Japan with low mitigation efforts. They had 3 deaths/million or 1,020 deaths for 340 million (US population). When Dr. Fauci said Covid has 1.0% deaths rate, ten times more than Flu, that to most people would mean 10 times 50,000 flu deaths or predicted 500,000 deaths for US without mitigation. The 500K deaths prediction by Dr. Fauci is off with Sweden by 7 fold, let alone Japan by 500 fold, both countries with low mitigation efforts. And Japan had very low mitigation. https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2020/04/826fe0930a43-only-18-of-japanese-stopped-going-to-work-due-to-covid-19-poll.html?via=webuproar Only 18 percent of people in Japan have stopped going to work due to the novel coronavirus, the lowest level in 26 countries and territories covered in a recent survey. The United States stood at 32 percent. You do know that this is just the beginning of the pandemic, its been hitting most western countries for 1-2 months, and it's a bit early to calculate IFR and CFR, right? Also, to compare Japan with the US is funny. Here's a very collectivist country where people follow rules to a fault, don't shake hands, wear masks, where everything is constantly cleaned and social distance is the normal state of things... Does that sound like the US?
clutch Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 There is no need to do all these complicated calculations to compare flu and Covid. Take Sweden with low mitigation efforts. They had 213 deaths/million or 72000 deaths for 340 million (US population). Take Japan with low mitigation efforts. They had 3 deaths/million or 1,020 deaths for 340 million (US population). When Dr. Fauci said Covid has 1.0% deaths rate, ten times more than Flu, that to most people would mean 10 times 50,000 flu deaths or predicted 500,000 deaths for US without mitigation. The 500K deaths prediction by Dr. Fauci is off with Sweden by 7 fold, let alone Japan by 500 fold, both countries with low mitigation efforts. And Japan had very low mitigation. https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2020/04/826fe0930a43-only-18-of-japanese-stopped-going-to-work-due-to-covid-19-poll.html?via=webuproar Only 18 percent of people in Japan have stopped going to work due to the novel coronavirus, the lowest level in 26 countries and territories covered in a recent survey. The United States stood at 32 percent. You cannot project what has been observed in those countries. The deaths/million figure will change over time. If we have no vaccine, that number will become similar across the developed world over time, perhaps normalized with respect to the population age distribution. Maybe some countries have better treatments and that will help. However, those countries with low cases/deaths will eventually catch up, because it seems impossible to irradicate this virus via containment.
Liberty Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 Anyway, Trump was asking a question to the scientist "may be you can, may be you can't", means he actually doesnt know it. Nice attempt at defending him. He doesn't know anything, and that's the problem, he's in charge, he's supposed to have been getting daily briefings on this from experts for months, and he's still an imbecile who confuses the population instead of informing them, and creates disorder in the public health response rather than lead it and create coordination and cooperation, and is surrounded by idiots because only idiots pass the loyalty test and all the real experts have to do everything they can not to be driven away. He knows less about the situation than some random person on the street who's been watching he news for a month, and that's a big problem.
Investor20 Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 There is no need to do all these complicated calculations to compare flu and Covid. Take Sweden with low mitigation efforts. They had 213 deaths/million or 72000 deaths for 340 million (US population). Take Japan with low mitigation efforts. They had 3 deaths/million or 1,020 deaths for 340 million (US population). When Dr. Fauci said Covid has 1.0% deaths rate, ten times more than Flu, that to most people would mean 10 times 50,000 flu deaths or predicted 500,000 deaths for US without mitigation. The 500K deaths prediction by Dr. Fauci is off with Sweden by 7 fold, let alone Japan by 500 fold, both countries with low mitigation efforts. And Japan had very low mitigation. https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2020/04/826fe0930a43-only-18-of-japanese-stopped-going-to-work-due-to-covid-19-poll.html?via=webuproar Only 18 percent of people in Japan have stopped going to work due to the novel coronavirus, the lowest level in 26 countries and territories covered in a recent survey. The United States stood at 32 percent. You do know that this is just the beginning of the pandemic, its been hitting most western countries for 1-2 months, and it's a bit early to calculate IFR and CFR, right? Also, to compare Japan with the US is funny. Here's a very collectivist country where people follow rules to a fault, don't shake hands, wear masks, where everything is constantly cleaned and social distance is the normal state of things... Does that sound like the US? Liberty, that is not the problem. The problem in US is our "experts" got everything wrong. If you take anything our "experts" told us and do opposite, we would be better. 1) They started saying no human-human transmission. 2) Then they started saying no asymptomatic transmission. 3) Then they started saying not many asymptomatic people. 4) Then they told us Dont wear masks. 5) Then Dr. Fauci said we will eventually do antibody tests but that is not the need of the hour. 6) Then they were telling us summer (heat, humidity & sunlight) has not much effect on Covid. While Japanese started with masks right away in January. While in late February Pelosi is going running around China town how it is good to go to shopping and walking tours and Blasio is recommending in early March what movies to go to, Japanese were wearing masks, disinfecting hands, subways, etc. It is not just a fluke that Japan had 3 deaths/million and US has 152/million. Our "experts" have been so good. Getting 0 out of 6 right.
Guest Schwab711 Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 The problem in US is our "experts" got everything wrong. If you take anything our "experts" told us and do opposite, we would be better. 1) They started saying no human-human transmission. 2) Then they started saying no asymptomatic transmission. 3) Then they started saying not many asymptomatic people. 4) Then they told us Dont wear masks. 5) Then Dr. Fauci said we will eventually do antibody tests but that is not the need of the hour. 6) Then they were telling us summer (heat, humidity & sunlight) has not much effect on Covid. While Japanese started with masks right away in January. While in late February Pelosi is going running around China town how it is good to go to shopping and walking tours and Blasio is recommending in early March what movies to go to, Japanese were wearing masks, disinfecting hands, subways, etc. It is not just a fluke that Japan had 3 deaths/million and US has 152/million. Our "experts" have been so good. Getting 0 out of 6 right. You are drinking the bleach. https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6879-2020-covid-19-red-dawn-rising/66f590d5cd41e11bea0f/optimized/full.pdf
Liberty Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 There is no need to do all these complicated calculations to compare flu and Covid. Take Sweden with low mitigation efforts. They had 213 deaths/million or 72000 deaths for 340 million (US population). Take Japan with low mitigation efforts. They had 3 deaths/million or 1,020 deaths for 340 million (US population). When Dr. Fauci said Covid has 1.0% deaths rate, ten times more than Flu, that to most people would mean 10 times 50,000 flu deaths or predicted 500,000 deaths for US without mitigation. The 500K deaths prediction by Dr. Fauci is off with Sweden by 7 fold, let alone Japan by 500 fold, both countries with low mitigation efforts. And Japan had very low mitigation. https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2020/04/826fe0930a43-only-18-of-japanese-stopped-going-to-work-due-to-covid-19-poll.html?via=webuproar Only 18 percent of people in Japan have stopped going to work due to the novel coronavirus, the lowest level in 26 countries and territories covered in a recent survey. The United States stood at 32 percent. You do know that this is just the beginning of the pandemic, its been hitting most western countries for 1-2 months, and it's a bit early to calculate IFR and CFR, right? Also, to compare Japan with the US is funny. Here's a very collectivist country where people follow rules to a fault, don't shake hands, wear masks, where everything is constantly cleaned and social distance is the normal state of things... Does that sound like the US? Liberty, that is not the problem. The problem in US is our "experts" got everything wrong. If you take anything our "experts" told us and do opposite, we would be better. 1) They started saying no human-human transmission. 2) Then they started saying no asymptomatic transmission. 3) Then they started saying not many asymptomatic people. 4) Then they told us Dont wear masks. 5) Then Dr. Fauci said we will eventually do antibody tests but that is not the need of the hour. 6) Then they were telling us summer (heat, humidity & sunlight) has not much effect on Covid. While Japanese started with masks right away in January. While in late February Pelosi is going running around China town how it is good to go to shopping and walking tours and Blasio is recommending in early March what movies to go to, Japanese were wearing masks, disinfecting hands, subways, etc. It is not just a fluke that Japan had 3 deaths/million and US has 152/million. Our "experts" have been so good. Getting 0 out of 6 right. You're just giving talking points, not discussing actual science. The experts reported a preliminary report from China super early, and they didn't say there was no human to human transmission, they said there was no evidence of it yet. Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absense, and early on, it's normal not to know what is going on. You need the evidence, you can't just make stuff up. This was reversed very quickly as more evidence came in and China stopped hiding/denying the situation (like Trump did). It still took weeks for Trump to stop saying it was a hoax, that it was totally contained and airtight and would disappear soon. I won't go through your whole list, but except for the masks, it's also just a bunch of talking points, not actual arguments. The mask thing was likely a lie, but they probably felt they had to do it because the PPE situation was such a clusterfuck that they couldn't have a run on it leaving frontline people exposed. The solution there was to actually have been prepared for this and for the federal government to not wait weeks to use the stockpile and defense production act, and coordinate the states to bring supply where it was most needed rather than force states to hoard and compete against each other, and to have a clear message to the population encouraging them to make/get cloth masks like in the Czec republic, rather than have Trump say that he won't wear masks and that they're totally optional.
Gregmal Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 Once again, the loonie left is so wrapped up in their derangement, they miss a completely inarguable and blatantly legitimate criticism... Trump is now CRITICIZING Brian Kemp for opening too soon! A week after lambasting governors for not opening! Much more valid than all these... "hmmm if I take this out of context statement, and throw this! spin on it, it looks really bad!" rhetoric
Liberty Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 You are drinking the bleach. https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6879-2020-covid-19-red-dawn-rising/66f590d5cd41e11bea0f/optimized/full.pdf So many people are drinking bleach and eating their fish-grade chloroquine these days... A good reminder that half the population has an IQ under 100.
Liberty Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 Once again, the loonie left is so wrapped up in their derangement, they miss a completely inarguable and blatantly legitimate criticism... Trump is now CRITICIZING Brian Kemp for opening too soon! A week after lambasting governors for not opening! Much more valid than all these... "hmmm if I take this out of context statement, and throw this! spin on it, it looks really bad!" rhetoric Trump is always doing one thing and its opposite so that later he can claim he was right by pointing at one thing and gaslighting us about the other. A few days ago he was inciting protests in multiple states and journalists found links from the white house to the anti-lockdown protests. I think it's likely Fauci or something like that threatened to resign (and maybe start talking to the media about what's going on inside the WH) if Trump didn't at least try to manage the reopening a bit and not let it be a free for all (again). The dude was just telling people that maybe they should inject Lysol on a nationwide press conference, a week after he talked about antibiotics on the topic of a virus, and you think he's coming up with the rational plan for all this?
Guest Schwab711 Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 Once again, the loonie left is so wrapped up in their derangement, they miss a completely inarguable and blatantly legitimate criticism... Trump is now CRITICIZING Brian Kemp for opening too soon! A week after lambasting governors for not opening! Much more valid than all these... "hmmm if I take this out of context statement, and throw this! spin on it, it looks really bad!" rhetoric It's frustrating that some still think political party is correlated with quality of response (I have the broader public in mind, not this board). The best responses have been deliberate and honest, even if they aren't ultimately the best outcomes. De Blasio is another that has consistently screwed up. He seems to panic and go to an extreme response at each turn. It's everything that bothers me about Trump.
DooDiligence Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 Once again, the loonie left is so wrapped up in their derangement, they miss a completely inarguable and blatantly legitimate criticism... Trump is now CRITICIZING Brian Kemp for opening too soon! A week after lambasting governors for not opening! Much more valid than all these... "hmmm if I take this out of context statement, and throw this! spin on it, it looks really bad!" rhetoric I want honesty & not bullshit. I want leadership that acknowledges responsibility, and moves towards solutions rather than attacking those who attempt to steer us towards truth. Anyone who supports this moron is clearly unhinged from reality.
Dalal.Holdings Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 It's frustrating that some still think political party is correlated with quality of response (I have the broader public in mind, not this board). The best responses have been deliberate and honest, even if they aren't ultimately the best outcomes. De Blasio is another that has consistently screwed up. He seems to panic and go to an extreme response at each turn. It's everything that bothers me about Trump. De Blasio is terrible and should be removed from office. Many democrats agree with this. I wholeheartedly agree with this. People died because of the mayor’s incompetence, and many more may die if he holds his parade. However this is something you will never hear Trumpers say about Trump though—as he famously said: he can shoot a man on 5th ave and they will be at his side. He has undying loyalty of some. He is not an idiot—he made the 5th ave claim knowing full well the truth—he is a master puppeteer (works on many people) and you can indeed fool some of the people all of the time.
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