mattee2264 Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg24632804-000-why-itll-still-be-a-long-time-before-we-get-a-coronavirus-vaccine/ Interesting article pouring a bit of cold water on all the vaccine hype. Pretty easy money for pharma companies if governments are willing to expedite from early trials to scaled up manufacturing pouring billions into producing vaccines only to find out they don't work or they aren't safe.
ERICOPOLY Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 I guess my game is "bad is bad". That's not it, but you're about to reveal what your game is. Not "when my guy does it we ignore it, when the Republican does it we foam at the mouth". Dont worry, you're winning that one. You voted for a guy who championed the game of "you disagree with me because you're racist" and now bitch and moan about the guy who says all journalists are lying scum.... and worse, you cant even see the common element. And there it is, that's your game. You make personal attacks instead of debate points. Smear. Pointing out who you voted for and what he did(or as you asked for, an example of his behavior) is a personal attack? ok then You are making false and ridiculous claims, making light of the false claims, and falsely attributing them to me. That is a personal attack. You are being adversarial. Perhaps I brought this upon myself by asking you for your 'worst' example of Obama.
Dalal.Holdings Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 Shocking #metoo was a revolution until it hit Biden....then we bring back the presumption of innocence and stop believing all women... Oh really, now Bill Clinton's accusers aren't women? It's the particular woman that they don't believe, not all women. Isn't Harvey Weinstein a huge democrat? Crosby too, I'd guess. Didn't they also cancel that senator comedia and Louis CK and a bunch of other lefties? Weinstein was a hollywood guy with huge liberal connections (it's easy to cast hollywood elites as in bed with the dems when it's convenient and then "not relevant to dems" when it's also convenient). Al Franken was a Dem senator forced to resign due to Me Too by his own party (dems). Some people think Obama "race baited" because of things he did like go down to SC and sing "amazing grace" after that church got shot up by a racist. Or Obama pointed things out like discrimination of African Americans every time a black kid got shot by the cops on camera for minor infraction. These people equate that to Trump saying "both sides" were bad after a racist nut ran over a crowd in Charlottesville as equivalent to the above from Obama--should tell you pretty much all you need to know. False equivalence fallacy at its finest. They love "all politicians are bad, so might as well have Trump because everyone else is no different". The nuance is lost...
Dalal.Holdings Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 Do you think Trump would be president if people who voted for Trump were better off? I know a lot of Trump voters. Only very few of them actually like him. People voted for him because they are desperate and/or angry. Obama's poor policies led to Trump. If Obama would have been less of a Wall Street and China puppet, we wouldn't have Trump. I'll also place blame on Clinton and Bush (but considering we had Democrats for 16 years and Republicans for 8, they get most of the blame). Keep in mind that I voted more times for Obama than I did Trump (1 vote to 0). Some people are conflating their hardship of the 2008-2020 time to Obama, that's for sure. Just because he was President does not mean he caused the hardship. Correlation doe not imply causation. When Obama walked into the Oval Office on January 2009, we were in the midst of the largest recession since GD (that Republican guy before him was in charge leading up to it). The GFC might have more to do with people's hardships leading to vote for Trump than Obama. In the 1930s, there was a lot of radicalism in Europe and the U.S. due to the Great Depression. Similar story for 2008-now. Easier to blame Obama, I get it.
cwericb Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 Asked why he [Trump] started taking this drug [hydroxychloroquine], he said he's gotten "so many letters," "a lot of positive letters...” But Don, those letters were all from Democrats. Apparently the drug can be damaging to the heart. Shouldn’t be a problem in this case.
Dalal.Holdings Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 You dont think throwing law enforcement officers under the under and refusing to denounce hate groups like ANTIFA is wrong? Actually, never mind, I'm sure theres some slant or justification. The folks who chastised Trump for saying things like "there are good people on both sides" were radio silent when Obama regularly did stuff like this. Its a shame we cant just be honest about things on both sides. That's the worst you can say about Obama? Man, he must've been a total angel. The best thing about this is it’s not even true—modern Antifa did not even become prominent in the U.S. until 2017–after Obama was out of office. :o All part of their game of deflection of Trump, getting you to argue nonsense. Now back to his mishandling of this pandemic...
ERICOPOLY Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 You dont think throwing law enforcement officers under the under and refusing to denounce hate groups like ANTIFA is wrong? Actually, never mind, I'm sure theres some slant or justification. The folks who chastised Trump for saying things like "there are good people on both sides" were radio silent when Obama regularly did stuff like this. Its a shame we cant just be honest about things on both sides. That's the worst you can say about Obama? Man, he must've been a total angel. The best thing about this is it’s not even true—modern Antifa did not even become prominent in the U.S. until 2017–after Obama was out of office. :o All part of their game of deflection of Trump, getting you to argue nonsense. Now back to his mishandling of this pandemic... An antifascist group had little to keep themselves busy under Obama.
Dalal.Holdings Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 You dont think throwing law enforcement officers under the under and refusing to denounce hate groups like ANTIFA is wrong? Actually, never mind, I'm sure theres some slant or justification. The folks who chastised Trump for saying things like "there are good people on both sides" were radio silent when Obama regularly did stuff like this. Its a shame we cant just be honest about things on both sides. That's the worst you can say about Obama? Man, he must've been a total angel. The best thing about this is it’s not even true—modern Antifa did not even become prominent in the U.S. until 2017–after Obama was out of office. :o All part of their game of deflection of Trump, getting you to argue nonsense. Now back to his mishandling of this pandemic... An antifascist group had little to keep themselves busy under Obama. Yeah--Antifa became prominent in 2017 in response to Trump becoming President, so in Trumper's logic, we should blame Trump for everything bad Antifa does because they are merely a response to his existence. But then again--Obama is responsible for Trump existing, so by the associative property, Obama led to Antifa! Am I doing it right?
Gregmal Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 You dont think throwing law enforcement officers under the under and refusing to denounce hate groups like ANTIFA is wrong? Actually, never mind, I'm sure theres some slant or justification. The folks who chastised Trump for saying things like "there are good people on both sides" were radio silent when Obama regularly did stuff like this. Its a shame we cant just be honest about things on both sides. That's the worst you can say about Obama? Man, he must've been a total angel. The best thing about this is it’s not even true—modern Antifa did not even become prominent in the U.S. until 2017–after Obama was out of office. :o All part of their game of deflection of Trump, getting you to argue nonsense. Now back to his mishandling of this pandemic... Before then it went by Black Lives Matter. You know the group that advocated violence, looting and even murdering of police officers and the attacking of folks who simply disagreed with them? Oh of course its convenient to leave that out. Yea.. go back to rooting for the virus to kill people and the economy so you can get some guy you dont like out of office...
Dalal.Holdings Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 You dont think throwing law enforcement officers under the under and refusing to denounce hate groups like ANTIFA is wrong? Actually, never mind, I'm sure theres some slant or justification. The folks who chastised Trump for saying things like "there are good people on both sides" were radio silent when Obama regularly did stuff like this. Its a shame we cant just be honest about things on both sides. That's the worst you can say about Obama? Man, he must've been a total angel. The best thing about this is it’s not even true—modern Antifa did not even become prominent in the U.S. until 2017–after Obama was out of office. :o All part of their game of deflection of Trump, getting you to argue nonsense. Now back to his mishandling of this pandemic... Before then it went by Black Lives Matter. You know the group that advocated violence, looting and even murdering of police officers and the attacking of folks who simply disagreed with them? Oh of course its convenient to leave that out. Yea.. go back to rooting for the virus to kill people and the economy so you can get some guy you dont like out of office... I forgot about the chronic butt hurt about BLM from Republicans...been a while. How dare you kneel! And of course the "BLM became Antifa" conspiracy theories [citation needed]. Reminds me of Pizza Gate. Meanwhile some kid got shot dead in GA while jogging and his shooters were scot free for two months until the broader public found out. Clearly nothing wrong with this and BLM has nothing to complain about with our justice system that surely does not discriminate... And there you go smearing others--accusing of "rooting for the virus to kill people". No, we are not, but nice try bud. You are one class act, that's for sure.
alwaysdrawing Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 It makes me happy to know that my taking time away from this forum in no way diminishes the quantity or quality of shitposting.
Gregmal Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 Where did BLM go since 2016? Or did Trump solve police brutality? The lowlifes, as they do, just find "another cause" to use as an excuse. Murdering cops is a far cry from "kneeling", but hey, it seems you're willing to give the benefit of the doubt, since it's your guys being questioned. Perhaps try applying that to everyone, or eliminating it altogether... consistency.
Liberty Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 Perhaps I brought this upon myself by asking you for your 'worst' example of Obama. It's the old: Don't try to play chess against a pigeon...
Dalal.Holdings Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 Where did BLM go since 2016? Or did Trump solve police brutality? The lowlifes, as they do, just find "another cause" to use as an excuse. Murdering cops is a far cry from "kneeling", but hey, it seems you're willing to give the benefit of the doubt, since it's your guys being questioned. Perhaps try applying that to everyone, or eliminating it altogether... consistency. For the record, murdering cops is reprehensible and cops sure as hell don’t have an easy job. Dunno what that has to do with “my guy”. Oh, you must be thinking of Dallas shooting which was weakly linked to BLM. Where Obama spoke: “We still don’t know all the facts. What we do know is that there’s been a vicious, calculated and despicable attack on law enforcement. Police in Dallas were on duty, doing their job, keeping people safe during a peaceful protest. These law enforcement officers were targeted, and nearly a dozen officers were shot, five were killed. Other officers and at least one civilian were wounded. Some are in serious conditions and we are praying for their recovery. As I told Mayor Rawlings, and I believe that I speak for every single American when I say, that we are horrified over these events and that we stand united with people and the police department in Dallas.” "“First the shootings in Minnesota and Baton Rouge, the protests, then the targeting of police by the shooter here — an act not just of demented violence, but of racial hatred. All of it’s left us wounded and angry and hurt. It’s as if the deepest fault lines of our democracy have suddenly been exposed, perhaps even widened." Don't see him making false equivalences here... https://fortune.com/2016/07/08/transcript-obama-dallas-police-shootings/ Just a tad different than “Both Sides” Trump. Now back to coronavirus
Spekulatius Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 It makes me happy to know that my taking time away from this forum in no way diminishes the quantity or quality of shitposting. LOL. As if the Virus cares about Politics.
cubsfan Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 Too bad you guys still can't come up with a reasonable candidate that is not a total screwball. 4 years to get it done, but you let the LEFT totally wreck the Democratic Party - and still cheer them on. What a farce. You get what you deserve: Donald Trump to keep this country from going totally off the rails, after the Obama's 8 years of nothing. Good riddance to the Great Democratic Progressive Agenda.... Oh, yeah, I forgot about ObamaCare and he killed Bin Laden - at least he did one thing right in 8 years.
Viking Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 Calculated Risk blog has started tracking six indicators to help track the recovery: 1.) daily total traveller 2.) diners 3.) domestic box office 4.) hotel occupancy 5.) gasoline consumption 6.) mobility trends: driving, walking, transit MONDAY, MAY 18, 2020 Six High Frequency Indicators for the Eventual Recovery - https://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2020/05/six-high-frequency-indicators-for.html
Spekulatius Posted May 19, 2020 Posted May 19, 2020 Here is a good visualization if current COVD-19 data. I found that the representation usually put forth by the states sucks, it these graphs show actually relevant numbers like - of positive as well as number of cases ( both are Important and need to be seen in context since More tests means more cases). Anyways, this has the total US numbers as well as the charts for each state: https://public.tableau.com/profile/peter.james.walker#!/vizhome/COVID-19SeeYourState/YourStateKeys
LC Posted May 19, 2020 Posted May 19, 2020 Calculated Risk blog has started tracking six indicators to help track the recovery: 1.) daily total traveller 2.) diners 3.) domestic box office 4.) hotel occupancy 5.) gasoline consumption 6.) mobility trends: driving, walking, transit MONDAY, MAY 18, 2020 Six High Frequency Indicators for the Eventual Recovery - https://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2020/05/six-high-frequency-indicators-for.html This needs to be overlaid with reported cases (particularly now that testing is more available) to be truly useful.
Spekulatius Posted May 19, 2020 Posted May 19, 2020 re MRNA - they release results of a phase 1 trial. Got a sweet hard deal from the government for vaccine development. Technology sort of unproven and now do a stock offering for $1.25B. How many ethics violations all done at once does this represent? If this doesn’t represent the current state of regulatory capture and pump and dump scheme of the capital markets, I don’t know what will. Moncef Slaoui resigned from Moderna's board of directors when the Trump administration tapped him last week to be chief advisor for its Operation Warp Speed, a push to develop and distribute a vaccine to address the COVID-19 pandemic. But he still had stock options for about 156,000 Moderna shares; base https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/moderna-announces-proposed-public-offering-shares-common-stock-0
John Hjorth Posted May 19, 2020 Posted May 19, 2020 This thread is going to cause COBF to collapse upon itself and vanish into some distant galaxy. It makes me happy to know that my taking time away from this forum in no way diminishes the quantity or quality of shitposting. ... Please stop with all the ad hominem. jschembs, alwaysdrawing & meiroy, If you read some of the latest pages in this topic with focus on "How did USA end up in this actual situation?" - [related to the situation about the Corona virus in the USA] - based on different political orientations, it will actually provide value to you. -There is actually a common denominator & agreement, which is an underlying shared general & deep frustration in the various posts about the situation [, which to me is somehow comforting].
Spekulatius Posted May 19, 2020 Posted May 19, 2020 This thread is going to cause COBF to collapse upon itself and vanish into some distant galaxy. It makes me happy to know that my taking time away from this forum in no way diminishes the quantity or quality of shitposting. ... Please stop with all the ad hominem. jschembs, alwaysdrawing & meiroy, If you read some of the latest pages in this topic with focus on "How did USA end up in this actual situation?" - [related to the situation about the Corona virus in the USA] - based on different political orientations, it will actually provide value to you. -There is actually a common denominator & agreement, which is an underlying shared general & deep frustration in the various posts about the situation [, which to me is somehow comforting]. Let’s say it that way. My friends and relatives in Germany are a whole lot more worried about our family than they are about their situation. The stats in my state (MA) are 20x worse than they are over there.
Liberty Posted May 19, 2020 Posted May 19, 2020 This is good: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-19/covid-patients-testing-positive-after-recovery-aren-t-infectious Also good: Survivors of SARS1 from 2003 retain neutralizing antibody 9-17 years later. So it is possible for functional antibody to a coronavirus to persist for longer than previously shown.
Liberty Posted May 19, 2020 Posted May 19, 2020 Possible vitamin D link: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-growing-evidence-on-vitamin-d-and-covid Also: Reported US coronavirus deaths on date: Feb. 18: 0 deaths Mar. 18: 149 deaths Apr. 18: 38,903 deaths May 18: 90,347 deaths Also, sad situation in Brazil right now: https://www.wsj.com/articles/brazils-nurses-are-dying-as-covid-19-overwhelms-hospitals-11589843694
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