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Posted
17 minutes ago, Spekulatius said:

Sold my RNR - disappointing business performance. Stock went up since I bought it, but I lost confidence.

10 years from now you might be as happy as I am today that I sold this 10 years ago.

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Getting close to unloading KNOP.

Somewhere between $20-$22, KNOP will do a secondary as part of funding the dropdowns that are sitting with its sponsor right now.   KNOP has managed this beautifully.

wabuffo

 

 

 

 

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Posted
8 minutes ago, wabuffo said:

Getting close to unloading KNOP.

Somewhere between $20-$22, KNOP will do a secondary as part of funding the dropdowns that are sitting with its sponsor right now.   KNOP has managed this beautifully.

wabuffo

 

 

 

 

 is $20 your target price to unload? Given it's still paying 10%+ dividend, why not just keep it to continue to collect the divs...

Posted (edited)

Given it's still paying 10%+ dividend, why not just keep it to continue to collect the divs...

Its not a 10% yield - this is a melting ice cube.  Part of its dividend is return of capital.  If it doesn't do any more dropdowns, then it would be in run-off and slowly liquidating.  Per their IR website, only two-thirds of the distribution is a return of profits, the other third is a return of capital.

So you have to adjust the yield.  It's really paying you a $1.37 dividend on, say, a $20 share price -- or a 6.8% yield (still attractive).  The rest of the quarterly distribution is giving you back your capital.  That's why KNOP has to continue to make capital calls on you to finance more dropdowns.  To its credit, mgmt has been very good about only doing those secondaries when cost of capital is low enough.  Unlike others in the shipping industry who routinely soak their shareholders at the worst times.

wabuffo

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Posted
7 minutes ago, wabuffo said:

Given it's still paying 10%+ dividend, why not just keep it to continue to collect the divs...

Its not a 10% yield - this is a melting ice cube.  Part of its dividend is return of capital.  If it doesn't do any more dropdowns, then it would be in run-off and slowly liquidating.  Per their IR website, only two-thirds of the distribution is a return of profits, the other third is a return of capital.

So you have to adjust the yield.  It's really paying you a $1.37 dividend on, say, a $20 share price -- or a 6.8% yield (still attractive).  The rest of the quarterly distribution is giving you back your capital.  That's why KNOP has to continue to make capital calls on you to finance more dropdowns.  To its credit, mgmt has been very good about only doing those secondaries when cost of capital is low enough.  Unlike others in the shipping industry who routinely soak their shareholders at the worst times.

wabuffo

This. +

1) KNOP will do a secondary and I expect it to drop to 18 or below. I've been a KNOP nibbler sub 18, and KNOP buyer sub 14. 

2) KNOP seems to always get beat up with oil even if they aren't exactly correlated with oil

3) I've been very overweight in energy. Wasn't great for me for most of 2020. 2021 is a different year. I still have few energy names (TGP, WMB, KMI, ET) that probably have more room to run than KNOP (maybe not ET. Spek was right 2+ years ago 🤣) so I can still participate in the energy rally but in a more responsible way.

 

Posted
54 minutes ago, lnofeisone said:

This. +

1) KNOP will do a secondary and I expect it to drop to 18 or below. I've been a KNOP nibbler sub 18, and KNOP buyer sub 14. 

2) KNOP seems to always get beat up with oil even if they aren't exactly correlated with oil

3) I've been very overweight in energy. Wasn't great for me for most of 2020. 2021 is a different year. I still have few energy names (TGP, WMB, KMI, ET) that probably have more room to run than KNOP (maybe not ET. Spek was right 2+ years ago 🤣) so I can still participate in the energy rally but in a more responsible way.

 

Thanks Wabuffo and Infeisone. This is helpful. Where was the last time that they did the secondary offer? 

Infeisone, I also own WMB, and am considering trimming as well fwiw

Posted (edited)

Where was the last time that they did the secondary offer? 

In 2017.   History repeats because in late 2015, early 2016 - everything oil-related collapsed in price (KNOP included - down to single-digits, IIRC).  Mgmt waited for the stock to recover in price and did a couple of secondaries in 2017 (at ~$22) for a few dropdowns.

wabuffo

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Posted
6 hours ago, wabuffo said:

Where was the last time that they did the secondary offer? 

In 2017.   History repeats because in late 2015, early 2016 - everything oil-related collapsed in price (KNOP included - down to single-digits, IIRC).  Mgmt waited for the stock to recover in price and did a couple of secondaries in 2017 (at ~$22) for a few dropdowns.

wabuffo

Thanks. Looks like that the secondary offering in 2017 caused the stock to drop from $23 to ~$20?

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