Luke Posted January 27 Posted January 27 7 minutes ago, LC said: Luca, haven't I seen you posting in the "What are you buying" thread on a very regular basis? Ok, I still find some value in China but i am already very overweight, and yeah then cloning pabrai with coal...still i find it hard to find sth where i could put fairfax money where it is AS well invested as with FFH
SafetyinNumbers Posted January 27 Author Posted January 27 3 hours ago, Luca said: On what does FFH inclusion in the TSX 60 depend? There is a committee (4 people from S&P & 3 from TMX) that decides. Generally the TSX 60 (XIU) tries to mimic the sector weights of the TSX Composite (XIC) while also trying to beat it. Historically, they have replaced components when they go under 20bp but I don’t think it’s a rule. Financials are already overweight in XIU vs XIC so that might make the hurdle higher for FFH to get in. IFC took a long time to go in for that very reason. When IFC was announced in to XIU in March 2022, its weight at the end of Feb was 104bp and it was the 25th biggest company in the XIC. It was almost inevitable that IFC was going to get into XIU given its above average growth. Now its weight is ~124bp and it’s the 20th biggest weight in the XIU. They would have been better off putting it in sooner. I would argue FFH is a good analog for what happened with IFC. Given the high certainty of near term earnings, FFH’s weight in XIC is only going to increase. Today, I estimate, it jumped from 29th to 27th biggest passing GIB and TRI. Its weight is probably close to 101bp. At the end of 2022, FFH was #41 and 65bp. It’s like a freight train and if the committee can see that, they may want to get it in soon so they don’t lose ground to XIC. I estimate, AQN is only ~21bp in XIU after today’s trading so it’s flirting with the historical replacement precedent of 20bp. Please correct me if I’m wrong but I believe they will use Feb 29 as the measurement date. Presumably, it will be a live every quarter going forward or if a member of XIU is acquired. Recently ABX was rumoured to be interested in FM. If that transaction was consummated, it would open up a spot for FFH as well. Of course, they could always skip FFH and go to TFII but it’s less than half the weight. The biggest impact of Scotia and now NBF socializing the idea of FFH going in XIU is that shareholders who really want to take profits for risk management or because they are afraid of a drawdown might hold on instead. This is important, because most buying is institutional and it’s usually done on a % of volume. It’s a constraint placed by investors on asset managers to protect against them manipulating share prices. The side effect of that is, sellers set the price. Knowing there is likely a significant amount of buying coming sometime in the next year at a time when the company is growing incredibly fast might decide to at least lift their offers. Some shareholders might even hold on and see if they can get a better price when there is an indiscriminate time constrained buyer and reported BV is likely somewhat higher. The float in FFH is relatively tight and underowned by Canadian institutions who are benchmarked to XIC. If shareholders start believing what NBF is telling them, the multiple expansion could be significant. P/B could get out of hand. It’s happened before from 95-98, a period when FFH put up 20%+ ROE for 4 years in a row. Maybe 2023 was year 1. P/B went over 3 back then before coming back to earth. It seems more likely to happen in this kind of market (meme stocks etc..) but it might take analysts starting to believe FFH can grow earnings consistently as some quants also set prices. Morningstar coming around would be a huge signal. I don’t expect that to happen but it’s possible. 1
Tommm50 Posted January 27 Posted January 27 Yeah, I'm hugely over-weighted in Fairfax. I've owned it for over twenty years. It's finally moving as I knew it eventually would. I was waiting for it to crack $1,000 U.S. to pull some of the investment into treasuries. Today it did. My plan is to wait for the year end results and start to siphon money out. Having said that I will keep a large position because I think the market is just starting to catch on and it has a long way to run yet. I believe Buffett once said "If you want to make a fortune, concentrate. If you want to keep a fortune, diversify."
Viking Posted January 27 Posted January 27 5 minutes ago, SafetyinNumbers said: There is a committee (4 people from S&P & 3 from TMX) that decides. Generally the TSX 60 (XIU) tries to mimic the sector weights of the TSX Composite (XIC) while also trying to beat it. Historically, they have replaced components when they go under 20bp but I don’t think it’s a rule. Financials are already overweight in XIU vs XIC so that might make the hurdle higher for FFH to get in. IFC took a long time to go in for that very reason. When IFC was announced in to XIU in March 2022, its weight at the end of Feb was 104bp and it was the 25th biggest company in the XIC. It was almost inevitable that IFC was going to get into XIU given its above average growth. Now its weight is ~124bp and it’s the 20th biggest weight in the XIU. They would have been better off putting it in sooner. I would argue FFH is a good analog for what happened with IFC. Given the high certainty of near term earnings, FFH’s weight in XIC is only going to increase. Today, I estimate, it jumped from 29th to 27th biggest passing GIB and TRI. Its weight is probably close to 101bp. At the end of 2022, FFH was #41 and 65bp. It’s like a freight train and if the committee can see that, they may want to get it in soon so they don’t lose ground to XIC. I estimate, AQN is only ~21bp in XIU after today’s trading so it’s flirting with the historical replacement precedent of 20bp. Please correct me if I’m wrong but I believe they will use Feb 29 as the measurement date. Presumably, it will be a live every quarter going forward or if a member of XIU is acquired. Recently ABX was rumoured to be interested in FM. If that transaction was consummated, it would open up a spot for FFH as well. Of course, they could always skip FFH and go to TFII but it’s less than half the weight. The biggest impact of Scotia and now NBF socializing the idea of FFH going in XIU is that shareholders who really want to take profits for risk management or because they are afraid of a drawdown might hold on instead. This is important, because most buying is institutional and it’s usually done on a % of volume. It’s a constraint placed by investors on asset managers to protect against them manipulating share prices. The side effect of that is, sellers set the price. Knowing there is likely a significant amount of buying coming sometime in the next year at a time when the company is growing incredibly fast might decide to at least lift their offers. Some shareholders might even hold on and see if they can get a better price when there is an indiscriminate time constrained buyer and reported BV is likely somewhat higher. The float in FFH is relatively tight and underowned by Canadian institutions who are benchmarked to XIC. If shareholders start believing what NBF is telling them, the multiple expansion could be significant. P/B could get out of hand. It’s happened before from 95-98, a period when FFH put up 20%+ ROE for 4 years in a row. Maybe 2023 was year 1. P/B went over 3 back then before coming back to earth. It seems more likely to happen in this kind of market (meme stocks etc..) but it might take analysts starting to believe FFH can grow earnings consistently as some quants also set prices. Morningstar coming around would be a huge signal. I don’t expect that to happen but it’s possible. @SafetyinNumbers that was very informative. Thank you for taking the time to lay it out in some detail. What if investors decide Fairfax is a buy and hold type of stock again? And not just a trade? When i read reports like National Bank (well done) i think we are getting to a sentiment inflection point. We will see. Fairfax’s AGM this year is setting up to be quite the event.
Blugolds Posted January 27 Posted January 27 Logged into my Fidelity account and saw something at the top of the screen telling me that I am eligible for additional income by lending shares of a security. Happened to be Fairfax…Anyone else see this? I didnt enroll, but have never seen that before….thoughts? Not necessarily as to if I should, but why they are doing it? Due to daily volume?
Dinar Posted January 27 Posted January 27 8 minutes ago, Blugolds11 said: Logged into my Fidelity account and saw something at the top of the screen telling me that I am eligible for additional income by lending shares of a security. Happened to be Fairfax…Anyone else see this? I didnt enroll, but have never seen that before….thoughts? Not necessarily as to if I should, but why they are doing it? Due to daily volume? I have seen it many times. I never enrolled for regular accounts because of adverse tax treatment, but may make sense for IRAs. IBKR tried to get me enrolled, but they promised 5 basis points a year in lending income, so I passed
Parsad Posted January 27 Posted January 27 2 hours ago, Dinar said: I have seen it many times. I never enrolled for regular accounts because of adverse tax treatment, but may make sense for IRAs. IBKR tried to get me enrolled, but they promised 5 basis points a year in lending income, so I passed That's pretty low interest, so the short demand is not that high. I remember seeing offers of 15-18% for OSTK shares when they were being shorted intensely. I'm pretty sure when the hedgies were attacking Fairfax back in 2003, brokers were offering double digit interest then too. Cheers!
Viking Posted January 27 Posted January 27 (edited) How does an investor make the big money? To state the obvious, outperforming the market averages is very difficult. Especially over a longer timeframe like 10 or 20 years. So why manage your own investments? Investors usually do it for the opportunity to make the big money - to materially outperform the market averages. How can an investor do that? That is what we are going to explore in this post. The post has been broken into the following sections: 1.) Learning from the master: how did Buffett do it? 2.) Time, compounding and exponential growth 3.) What do investors actually do? 4.) How to make the big money 5.) Berkshire Hathaway shareholders - a special breed? 6.) Fairfax Financial ————— Warren Buffett - Berkshire Hathaway 2022AR “In 58 years of Berkshire management, most of my capital-allocation decisions have been no better than so-so… “Our satisfactory results have been the product of about a dozen truly good decisions – that would be about one every five years. “The lesson for investors: The weeds wither away in significance as the flowers bloom. Over time, it takes just a few winners to work wonders. And, yes, it helps to start early and live into your 90s as well.” ————— Part 1: Learning from the master: How did Buffett do it? Warren Buffett has been able to significantly outperform the market averages since 1965. Over the past 58 years (to YE 2022), Berkshire Hathaway stock has had a CAGR of 19.8%, which is about 2 times the CAGR of the S&P 500 of 9.9% (including dividends). Yes, Buffett has earned ‘big money’ for Berkshire Hathaway shareholders. But here is what is really interesting. Buffett readily admits most of his capital allocation decisions over this 58-year time period were ‘so-so.’ He goes on to explain that his significant outperformance was driven by a small number of ’truly good decisions’. Buffett puts the number at 12, or one about every 5 years. This looks like it could be important. Let’s explore this further. What is Warren Buffett’s greatest attribute? Yes, this is kind of dumb thing to ask. Let’s do it anyway. What is it about Warren Buffett that has allowed him to consistently generate such outstanding results over the past 58 years? Intellect? Work ethic? Thirst for knowledge? Temperament? Character? Self awareness? Management skills? Obviously, all of the above attributes are important and will help investors achieve success. But lots of investors have many of these attributes - and yet they still underperform the market averages over time (let alone outperform to the degree that Buffett did). Is there something else, not listed above, that perhaps explains Buffett’s significant outperformance? I think there is something else… I think Buffett’s greatest strength might be his patience. Before you throw your phone/tablet in disgust, let me explain. We need to peel the layers back. Buffett’s holding period is not months. Or years. For his ‘truly good decisions,’ the investments that become needle movers for Berkshire Hathaway, his holding period can be measured in decades. And that is very different from almost any other investor out there. That is something Buffett does than pretty much no one else does. (Please name another successful investor who did it this way… i can’t think of another one.) After patience, i think Buffett’s next greatest strength might be how he sizes his positions, especially his best ideas. And not just at the time of purchase - but also over time. How to size a position is exceptionally difficult to do and is a topic that requires its own post - so we will not explore it further here. There are a couple of lessons here. Really, really good investment opportunities are exceptionally rare. Over his lifetime, Buffett points to 12 that worked out for him - or one about every 5 years. But finding a great investment is not enough on its own. Great patience is also required. It can take a decade or more for some investments to fully bloom. Of the two skills (finding a great investment and having great patience with it) the second is the one that is incredibly rare today. Part 2: Time, compounding and exponential growth What is the greatest advantage of an investor? It is time. Why time? Time is what allows compounding to work its magic. Compounding is simple to explain but wicked difficult for most people to actually understand. I like the description below. It is ‘boring’ for years and then very ‘exciting’. Given enough time, compounding inevitably results in exponential growth. Or at least the is what one would think. More on this later. The goal of all investors is to get their portfolio to the ‘exciting’ part of compounding curve (the hockey stick part) - because it is life changing when it happens. Buffett’s genius? It is understanding that patience and time are two sides of the same coin. Together, they allow an investor to fully maximize the benefits of compounding. This in turn, can lead to exponential growth. Patience: this is how the big money is made. Compound Interest (drawing by Carl Richards) ————— Let’s take a quick trip into the archives One of my favourite all time books on investing is Reminiscences of a Stock Operator. It was first published all the way back in 1923 (in serial form over two years in The Saturday Evening Post). Of all the memorable quotes in this book the following might be my favourite: “And right here let me say one thing: After spending many years in Wall Street and after making and losing millions of dollars I want to tell you this: It never was my thinking that made the big money for me. It always was my sitting. Got that? My sitting tight! It is no trick at all to be right on the market. You always find lots of early bulls in bull markets and early bears in bear markets. I've known many men who were right at exactly the right time, and began buying or selling stocks when prices were at the very level which should show the greatest profit. And their experience invariably matched mine - that is, they made no real money out of it. Men who can both be right and sit tight are uncommon. I found it one of the hardest things to learn. But it is only after a stock operator has firmly grasped this that he can make big money…” The lesson: Finding a great investment is hard. Holding the investment for years, perhaps decades - that is much more difficult. Should we be surprised that Buffett is in a league of his own? ————— Part 3: What do investors actually do? “Selling your winners and holding your losers is like cutting the flowers and watering the weeds.” Peter Lynch. Warren Buffett liked this quote so much he contacted Peter Lynch and asked him if he could use it. What is the average holding period for retail investors? I think it is around 5.5 months. And falling over time. Retail investors are like Edward Scissorhands. The flowers in their garden don’t stand a chance. Actually, we probably need to update Peter Lynch’s quote: these days, retail investors are so active buying and selling stocks in their portfolio - it’s like they completely raze their garden every year or two. What’s the chance the flowers are getting cut? Probably 100%. Should we be surprised that most retail investors achieve such poor results over time? What about the professional/smart money? The performance of professional/smart money is measured by investors quarterly… so they can’t be patient with their holdings. Sub-par results over a couple of quarters and retail investors start to pull the plug. The professional/smart money has to chase short-term performance if they want to stay in business (or get paid their bonus) - which usually means owning whatever are the most popular stocks at a given time (the list of which is always changing). The bottom line, ‘patience’ is not a word that is part of retail and professional investors vocabulary or in their toolbox. Patience is primarily the stomach part of investing. Not the brain part. This also probably tells us something… Ben Carlson has a good article on the subject of holding period Buy & Hold is Dead, Long Live Buy & Hold (Feb 2023) https://awealthofcommonsense.com/2023/02/buy-hold-is-dead-long-live-buy-hold/ (As an aside, ‘The Compound’ has become one of my favourite podcasts to listen to. Ben, Josh, Michael and guests are great. They have a bunch of different formats depending on what you are interested in.) Taking profits Why do retail investors turn their portfolio over so much? Lot’s of reasons. To buy something they think is better. To get rid of a mistake. To try and time the market. Macro call. Hot tip. I could list another +20 ‘good’ reasons. Let’s be optimistic. We are told taking profits is a sensible thing to do. Yes? But remember, in this post, we are trying to learn how to make the big money. Here is another great quote from the book ‘Reminiscences of a Stock Operator’: “They say you never grow poor taking profits. No. you don’t. But neither do you grow rich taking a four point profit in a bull market.” When investors sell their best ideas they are cutting the flowers in their portfolio. And because the really good ideas (that actually work out) are exceptionally rare (Buffett found one about every 5 years), the proceeds are recycled back into inferior ideas - investors water their weeds. This is like throwing sand in the gears of the compounding machine we discussed earlier. And hurts investment results. Investors get stuck in the ‘boring’ stage (from the napkin drawing above). As a result, many investors never get to the ‘exciting’ stage - the hockey stick part of compounding that becomes life changing. What does the investment industry have to say on this topic? I find it is helpful to follow the money. Incentives matter. A lot. How does everyone in the industry get paid? Fees. And fees generally come from activity. Action. Churn. Chasing short term performance. The exact opposite of patience. Part 4: How to make the big money Buffett’s very simple model: Step 1: identify a ‘truly good’ investment and size the position appropriately. Step 2: exercise great patience and let it grow undisturbed for decades. Truly great investments (the needle movers) are exceedingly rare. When you discover one, you need to size it appropriately. And then you hang on to it. For a long, long time. Do we have any real-life examples of ‘patience’ actually working out for a retail investor? Yes. A company named Berkshire Hathaway. Part 5: Berkshire Hathaway shareholders - a special breed? Investors have known for decades that Berkshire Hathaway was run by one of the best capital allocators of all time. All an investor had to do was buy shares and watch the Buffett flower continue to bloom year after year… bigger, brighter and more beautiful. Importantly, investors had years to watch (learn) and get their position sized right. How many investors followed Berkshire Hathaway over the decades? Lots. How many investors never bought shares? Lots. How many investors bought shares and then sold them after a small gain? Lots. How many investors bought shares and then held them for a decade or longer? Very few. But the few who did so built great wealth over time. These investors exercised great patience - and were richly rewarded. These investors had a ‘truly great idea’ - buy Berkshire Hathaway stock. But their real genius - what separated them (and their returns) from all other investors - was their patience. They held the stock for the long-term. Why didn’t these investors sell out? That is a great question. I don’t know. Because I sold my Berkshire Hathaway every time i ever owned it (after what i thought was a nice gain). With hindsight, i was an idiot. I was happy making a small profit. And i completely missed the big move - when it was staring me right in the face. So what does all of this have to do with Fairfax? Maybe nothing. Maybe everything. Part 6: Fairfax Financial Similar to Berkshire Hathaway, Fairfax has an outstanding long-term track record. Fairfax has significantly outperformed the S&P 500 over the past 38 years (since the company was founded in 1985). However, unlike Berkshire Hathaway, Fairfax had a pretty big stumble from about 2010-2017. The investing side of the business messed up (the insurance side of the business continued to perform well). Business results suffered. However, from about 2016 to 2020 the company got to work correcting its past mistakes. By 2021, the turnaround was largely complete. Operating income has increased from a run rate of $1 billion/year from 2016-2020, to $1.8 billion in 2021, to $3.1 billion in 2022, to an estimated $4.4 billion in 2023. And it is poised to increase again in 2024 (my current estimate is $4.6 billion). Since around 2018, Fairfax’s capital allocation decisions have been very good - best-in-class among P/C insurers. I have written about this extensively in other posts so i am not going to rehash things here. Bottom line, the set-up at Fairfax today - with both insurance and investment businesses - has never looked better. Now i generally hate comparing Fairfax with Berkshire Hathaway because they are such different companies. But i am going to break my rule in this post. Here is what i am wondering - and i would love to hear your thoughts. Does Fairfax today look like a much younger Berkshire Hathaway? Here are some of the similarities i see between Fairfax today and a Berkshire Hathaway from 30 years ago: Business model: built squarely on the P/C insurance / float model (Berkshire Hathaway has more of a conglomerate business model today) Capital allocation: master capital allocator (Fairfax has been hitting the ball out of the park in this regard since 2018 - that is a pretty good timeframe to use to evaluate the current management team) Significant, sustainable earnings: current estimates have Fairfax earning a record of more than $4 billion in 2023. And the future outlook is promising. Size: Fairfax is still small in size - good capital allocation decisions move the needle in terms of financial results (earnings and book value growth) All of the above + the power of compounding = opportunity for exponential growth over the next decade. ‘Time is the friend of the wonderful business’ to quote Warren Buffett. Valuation: Fairfax’s stock is trading today at a very low valuation - both compared to P/C insurance peers and the overall stock market. The set up today for Fairfax looks - to me - an awful lot like a much younger Berkshire Hathaway. Fairfax is poised to become a compounding machine in the coming years. If that happens, Fairfax would become what Buffett would call a ‘truly good decision’ for investors. Is Fairfax, once again, a buy and hold type of stock? I am warming to this idea. I think 5 years is a good amount of time to evaluate a management team - and the team at Fairfax has done an exceptional job over the past 5 years. This topic is important - let’s give it the attention it deserves in a future post. ————— Full quote by Warren Buffett from Berkshire Hathaway 2022AR “At this point, a report card from me is appropriate: In 58 years of Berkshire management, most of my capital-allocation decisions have been no better than so-so. In some cases, also, bad moves by me have been rescued by very large doses of luck. (Remember our escapes from near-disasters at USAir and Salomon? I certainly do.) “Our satisfactory results have been the product of about a dozen truly good decisions – that would be about one every five years – and a sometimes-forgotten advantage that favors long-term investors such as Berkshire. Let’s take a peek behind the curtain. The Secret Sauce “In August 1994 – yes, 1994 – Berkshire completed its seven-year purchase of the 400 million shares of Coca-Cola we now own. The total cost was $1.3 billion – then a very meaningful sum at Berkshire. “The cash dividend we received from Coke in 1994 was $75 million. By 2022, the dividend had increased to $704 million. Growth occurred every year, just as certain as birthdays. All Charlie and I were required to do was cash Coke’s quarterly dividend checks. We expect that those checks are highly likely to grow. “American Express is much the same story. Berkshire’s purchases of Amex were essentially completed in 1995 and, coincidentally, also cost $1.3 billion. Annual dividends received from this investment have grown from $41 million to $302 million. Those checks, too, seem highly likely to increase. “These dividend gains, though pleasing, are far from spectacular. But they bring with them important gains in stock prices. At yearend, our Coke investment was valued at $25 billion while Amex was recorded at $22 billion. Each holding now accounts for roughly 5% of Berkshire’s net worth, akin to its weighting long ago. “Assume, for a moment, I had made a similarly-sized investment mistake in the 1990s, one that flat-lined and simply retained its $1.3 billion value in 2022. (An example would be a high-grade 30-year bond.) That disappointing investment would now represent an insignificant 0.3% of Berkshire’s net worth and would be delivering to us an unchanged $80 million or so of annual income. “The lesson for investors: The weeds wither away in significance as the flowers bloom. Over time, it takes just a few winners to work wonders. And, yes, it helps to start early and live into your 90s as well.” Edited January 27 by Viking
LC Posted January 27 Posted January 27 So interestingly enough the below article hit my inbox this morning: https://specialsituationinvesting.substack.com/p/focus-and-investing?publication_id=903552&utm_campaign=email-post-title&r=1kl6gs The author looked at some of WB’s early partnership trading/investing behavior. His conclusion is not all too different than what you describe above, Viking. What really stood out to me was WB’s aggressiveness in minimizing opportunity cost: Buffett focused completely on finding the next great opportunity and moving into it in as big a way as possible without regard for systems. He identified opportunities by spending the limited time he had studying what was knowable and important while largely ignoring the rest. He formulated a clear idea of intrinsic value in his mind and then refused to overpay. He then used opportunity cost as a framework to constantly move capital from his worst ideas into his best such that he could maximize his returns. A lot of people (myself included) think concentration is 5 equally weighted positions. To Buffet I’d imagine that is 20% your best idea, and 80% worse ideas. So yes you are concentrated- but in sub-optimal ideas! Anyways I think between the article and your post it provides a good spectrum of how WB achieved massive wealth and some points take away.
cwericb Posted January 28 Posted January 28 Many Fairfax shareholders are now concerned about FFH being overweight in their portfolios. Obviously the reason we are overweight is primarily due to the excellent performance of the share price. Unless one believes Fairfax shares are going to suddenly reverse direction, being overweight is not necessarily a bad thing. I have owned shares in Fairfax for 17 years, not sold a share and added over time. Looking back over the years, yes there have been periods when the market surged and FFH shares did not. But people tend to forget that there were also quite a few periods when the market nosedived while FFH shares surged or maintained their value, and that often helped me sleep at night. I am just a dumb average joe and by no means a sophisticated investor. Had I traded in and out of Fairfax over the years, there is no way I would have been able to predict when to have bought and sold to my advantage. So for me at least, I am not going to sell my shares simply because the company is doing so well. JMHO 1
Maverick47 Posted January 28 Posted January 28 13 hours ago, Viking said: I think Buffett’s greatest strength might be his patience. Viking — Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts in this latest post. And I think it dovetails well with musings of others regarding how large a position Fairfax should make of one’s portfolio. Temperament/patience are areas where small individual investors might well have an advantage over professional traders/portfolio managers. Fifteen years ago when I had a much smaller non retirement portfolio, I made the mistake of treating my investments as if they were bets in a casino. When two of my small investments began to perform well I sold off half when they had doubled, telling myself I was now “playing” with house money. I did keep the half stakes — one has turned into a 10 bagger after 15 years, while the other is a 14 bagger. But neither decision would have made a material difference to me now since the initial amounts were rather small. I would only be concerned personally with Fairfax or other investments making up a large portion of my current portfolio if I believed there was a reasonable chance it might go to zero, like Enron. Part of Prem’s history makes me think that is unlikely. The struggles against short sellers when he faced a concerted attack betting that the company would go to zero or thereabouts in the early 2000’s had the benefit for me now, I believe, of making Prem more cautious about a financial situation that would ever put the company in such a position again. I think he and his investment folks really hit the ball out of the park with their credit default swaps at the time of the 2008 financial crisis. The profits on that allowed them to buy back the portions of their subsidiaries that they had to sell off to make it through the short selling attacks (was that both Odyssey Re and Northbridge?). I only got into the stock myself around the 2010 time frame. Then the lesson they learned from that macro bet was that they should make another one (the lost years thereafter betting on deflation, and hedging their equity investments). I think you have laid out very well that the latest lesson they have learned is not to make such huge macro bets in the future, and for roughly the last 4 or 5 years their actions have matched what they have said in that regard. I think one sign that an insurance/investment platform company is taking the long view, allowing compounding to work its exponential magic, can be seen by examining whether they have a net deferred tax liability on their balance sheet or not. Those only get built up with years of unrealized capital gains, generally on equity investments. It takes a lot of patience and a long term view on the part of a CEO to do this. The power of compounding of this deferred tax liability only makes a material difference after about 25 or 30 years. Berkshire is a shining example of this — basically they are allowing an interest free loan of well over $10 billion from the government compound on behalf of their owners. Companies with net deferred tax assets are actually doing the reverse — making an interest free loan to the government. Fairfax has a net deferred tax liability of about $1 billion. Other US companies with net deferred tax liabilities are Markel and Cincinnati Financial, which is why I have some positions in those companies as well. I like companies that make decisions that pay off over the same long term that I have in mind for my retirement time frame of 30 years or so, and that’s what I see in all of these companies.
Viking Posted January 28 Posted January 28 21 minutes ago, Maverick47 said: Viking — Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts in this latest post. And I think it dovetails well with musings of others regarding how large a position Fairfax should make of one’s portfolio. Temperament/patience are areas where small individual investors might well have an advantage over professional traders/portfolio managers. Fifteen years ago when I had a much smaller non retirement portfolio, I made the mistake of treating my investments as if they were bets in a casino. When two of my small investments began to perform well I sold off half when they had doubled, telling myself I was now “playing” with house money. I did keep the half stakes — one has turned into a 10 bagger after 15 years, while the other is a 14 bagger. But neither decision would have made a material difference to me now since the initial amounts were rather small. I would only be concerned personally with Fairfax or other investments making up a large portion of my current portfolio if I believed there was a reasonable chance it might go to zero, like Enron. Part of Prem’s history makes me think that is unlikely. The struggles against short sellers when he faced a concerted attack betting that the company would go to zero or thereabouts in the early 2000’s had the benefit for me now, I believe, of making Prem more cautious about a financial situation that would ever put the company in such a position again. I think he and his investment folks really hit the ball out of the park with their credit default swaps at the time of the 2008 financial crisis. The profits on that allowed them to buy back the portions of their subsidiaries that they had to sell off to make it through the short selling attacks (was that both Odyssey Re and Northbridge?). I only got into the stock myself around the 2010 time frame. Then the lesson they learned from that macro bet was that they should make another one (the lost years thereafter betting on deflation, and hedging their equity investments). I think you have laid out very well that the latest lesson they have learned is not to make such huge macro bets in the future, and for roughly the last 4 or 5 years their actions have matched what they have said in that regard. I think one sign that an insurance/investment platform company is taking the long view, allowing compounding to work its exponential magic, can be seen by examining whether they have a net deferred tax liability on their balance sheet or not. Those only get built up with years of unrealized capital gains, generally on equity investments. It takes a lot of patience and a long term view on the part of a CEO to do this. The power of compounding of this deferred tax liability only makes a material difference after about 25 or 30 years. Berkshire is a shining example of this — basically they are allowing an interest free loan of well over $10 billion from the government compound on behalf of their owners. Companies with net deferred tax assets are actually doing the reverse — making an interest free loan to the government. Fairfax has a net deferred tax liability of about $1 billion. Other US companies with net deferred tax liabilities are Markel and Cincinnati Financial, which is why I have some positions in those companies as well. I like companies that make decisions that pay off over the same long term that I have in mind for my retirement time frame of 30 years or so, and that’s what I see in all of these companies. @Maverick47 i always appreciate your comments. You have areas of expertise that are different from mine. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the tax liability. I will file that away. I think there is merit to your comments about Fairfax going through adversity. And learning the right lesson on the other side. I agree with you - Fairfax has been making much better decisions in recent years - i put it at about 6 years (since about 2018). It looks to me like Fairfax has been slowly improving the quality of their businesses over the years. - insurance seems to have always been moving in that direction since Andy Barnard took over in 2011. I liked the sale of Riverstone UK (runoff) in 2020/21 although it appeared to be well run. More recently, Fairfax has talked about how they have reduced property cat exposure at Brit (who had been underperforming in recent years). - equities is where you can really see the improvement in quality the last 5 years. Having higher quality insurance and equity holdings should also provide some buffer should adversity strike. ————— I continue to believe that something changed internally at Fairfax around late 2017 or early 2018 with how they were managing the equity bucket at Hamblin Watsa. It’s almost like someone very senior said ‘enough of this bullshit’. And from that day equity holdings were told: 1.) they had to stand on their own two feet financially. Fairfax hold co was no longer going to be piggy bank for poorly run operations 2.) they had to run themselves. Fairfax HO did not have the resources to be a turnaround shop. Two other things were decided: 1.) New money would only go to the best opportunities. 2.) New equity purchases must have very strong CEO’s/management/leadership. The amount of (good) change that has happened at Fairfax since 2018 has been breathtaking. The quality of the equity holdings (looked at as a group) has improved dramatically. And i don't think Fairfax is done.
Viking Posted January 28 Posted January 28 (edited) Capital Allocation - Is the Management Team at Fairfax Best-In-Class? Of all the posts that I have done on Fairfax over the past year, this one on capital allocation is the most important. Below is an update with some new material. My view is over the past 6 years, the management team at Fairfax has delivered best-in-class results. Do you agree? Please share your thoughts. ————— Capital allocation is the most important responsibility of a management team. Why? Capital allocation decisions are what drive the long-term performance of a company and important metrics like reported earnings, growth in book value and return on equity. These metrics in turn drive the multiple given to the stock by Mr Market - and finally the share price and investment returns for shareholders. Capital allocation is especially important for P/C insurance companies. And that is because of something called float – which provides low cost (sometimes free) leverage (see Chapter 4 of my PDF called ‘Fairfax-Hiding in Plain Sight’ for more information on float). https://thecobf.com/forum/topic/20253-fairfax-financial-60-of-the-best-posts-all-in-one-document/#comment-526661 When done well, capital allocation does two important things: Delivers a solid return. Improves the quality of the business. Therefore, the fundamental task of an investor is to determine if management, over time, is making intelligent decisions regarding capital allocation. What is capital allocation? Capital allocation is the process of determining how capital is raised, managed and disbursed by a company. Capital allocation decisions often play out with a lag, sometimes years in length. Recognizing this, an investor needs to take a multi-year approach with their analysis. What are the sources of capital for Fairfax? Fairfax has three sources of capital: equity, debt and float. The largest bucket is its $31 billion in float (as of Dec 31, 2022) which has a cost of less than zero - because they earn an underwriting profit (over the past 10 years they have averaged a CR of 95.6%). Fairfax also utilizes some debt, which has an average cost of about 5%. All together Fairfax has total capital of about $58.1 billion working for shareholders, or about $2,500/share. This capital has been obtained at a very low average cost. How does Fairfax do capital allocation? Internal capabilities: Capital allocation at Fairfax is managed by the senior leadership team, led by CEO Prem Watsa. Insurance: Since 2011, the insurance business has been led by Andy Barnard. In early 2023, Brian Young was promoted and now shares oversight responsibilities with Andy Barnard over all of Fairfax’s insurance and reinsurance operations. Brian is also still CEO of Odyssey. Investments: The investment business is managed by the large team at Hamblin Watsa. The fixed income team is led by Brian Bradstreet, who has been with Fairfax from the beginning. The equities team is led by Wade Burton, who joined Fairfax in 2009 from fund manager Cundill Investments, and Lawrence Chin, who also joined from Cundill in 2016. In India, Fairfax has Fairbridge, a boots-on-the-ground investment team. Fairfax also leverages the knowledge of the many CEO’s who manage their vast collection of equity holdings across the globe. “Since 1985, investments have been centrally managed for all of the Fairfax group companies by Hamblin Watsa Investment Counsel Ltd. (www.hwic.ca), a wholly-owned subsidiary of Fairfax. Hamblin Watsa emphasizes a conservative value investment philosophy, seeking to invest assets on a total return basis, which includes realized and unrealized gains over the long-term.” Fairfax web site Fairfax has a large internal team with expertise across many different asset classes and geographies. They are a long-tenured group with experience managing through many different market cycles. They are also a battle tested team. They have established a strong long-term track record of success. Below is a slide from the AGM (April 2023) that summarizes Fairfax’s internal investment team. External capabilities: Fairfax has been actively cultivating relationships with a large network of individuals/companies in the investment world for decades. The company has established partnerships and expertise across many different asset classes (real estate, private equity, commodities) and geographies (India, Greece, Africa, the Middle East). These external partnerships have been an important source of ideas and diversification while also delivering solid returns to Fairfax over the years. This important external capability allows Fairfax to leverage the knowledge and skills of a much larger group of people and organizations. Summary: Over decades, Fairfax has built out a large team and network of highly skilled internal and external capital allocators. In a world where active management is back, this has become a significant competitive advantage. Fairfax is well positioned at exactly the right time. In general, what are the basic capital allocation options available to management? Reinvest in the business - grow organically: support the slow and steady growth of existing operations. Acquisitions/mergers - higher risk, but can be transformative. Asset sales - lower risk, opportunity to take advantage of Mr Market’s mood swings. Pay down debt: the most predictable option, as the cost of repaid debt is known. Pay dividends: although tax-inefficient, usually indicates a financially healthy, shareholder-friendly company. Share buybacks: impactful, if purchased below intrinsic value, by improving per-share financial metrics like earnings per share and book value per share. What has Fairfax done? The management team at Fairfax has been extremely active on the capital allocation front. Every year they typically make between five to ten meaningful decisions. So much has been happening on the capital allocation front in recent years it is hard for shareholders to keep up - especially understanding the impact on current and future business results. Below we are going to take a quick look at 16 of Fairfax’s bigger decisions made in recent years to see what we can learn. Reinvest in the business: 1.) 2019-2023, hard market in insurance. Net premiums written have increased 79% over the past four years from $13.3 million in 2019 to an estimated $23.7 million in 2023, a CAGR of 15.5% per year. Fairfax is poised to deliver an estimated record underwriting profit of $1.37 billion in 2023 (CR of 94%). 2.) In 2017, seeded start-up Go Digit in India at a cost of $154 million and a fair value today of $2.3 billion. This investment has turned into a home run, with a possible IPO coming in 2024 (bringing more potential gains). Acquisitions/sales: insurance: 3.) In 2017, purchased Allied World, with the help of minority partners, for $4.9 billion (at 1.3 x book value). The price paid was not an overpay. Net written premiums have increased from $2.37 billion in 2018 to $4.46 billion in 2022, an increase of 88% in 4 years. With the onset of hard market in 2019, the timing of this purchase was perfect. 4.) In 2017/2019, sold ICICI Lombard for $1.7 billion: realized a $1 billion pre-tax investment gain. Due to regulations in India, Fairfax had to sell down its position in ICICI Lombard to be able to invest in Digit. This action was a brilliant strategic shift of Fairfax’s insurance business in India. 5.) In 2020/2021, sold Riverstone UK (runoff) for $1.3 billion (plus $236 million CVI). At a time when they needed the cash, Fairfax sold their UK run-off business at a much higher price than expected at the time. By shrinking the size of the runoff group, this sale also improved the overall quality of the remaining P/C insurance businesses. 6.) In 2022, sold the pet insurance business to JAB Holding Co. for $1.4 billion. This action resulted in a $1 billion after-tax gain. This sale was a home run for Fairfax as the business was sold for a much higher price than anyone thought possible (most people didn’t even know Fairfax owned this business). 7.) In 2023, purchased KIPCO’s 46% stake in Gulf Insurance Group for $740 million fair value consideration, as it is payable over 4 years. Fairfax paid a premium to get a control position in a quality business. This is a great strategic purchase that will solidify Fairfax’s presence in MENA region for insurance. This deal closed in late December 2023. Acquisitions/sales: investments: 8.) In 2018, made initial investment in Poseidon/Atlas/Seaspan. Fairfax partnered with David Sokol (formerly Buffett’s heir apparent at Berkshire). Today Fairfax owns a 45.5% stake in this company valued at $2 billion. Poseidon will see significant growth in 2024 as it takes delivery of a large number of container ships and completes the final leg of its multi-year new-build strategy. 9.) In late 2018, purchased 13% of Stelco for $193 million. Fairfax partnered with Alan Kestenbaum. This investment has already delivered more than $300 million in in total gains (as of Dec 31, 2023). Today, Fairfax now owns 23.6% of Stelco (having invested no new money). 10.) In 2020/21, initiated a total return swap position giving them exposure to 1.96 million FFH shares at an average cost of $372/share. With Fairfax’s stock closing at $1,013/share (Jan 26, 2024), this investment has already delivered a cumulative gain of about $1.26 billion (before carrying costs). This action was very creative and opportunistic and has become in three short years one of Fairfax’s best investments ever. 11.) In Dec 2021, reduced the average duration of its $37 billion bond portfolio to 1.2 years (as interest rates bottomed). This action saved the company billions in bond losses, protected the company’s balance sheet and allowed the insurance subs to be aggressive in growing their business in the hard market. 12.) In Oct 2023, increased the average duration of its $41 billion bond portfolio to 3.1 years (as interest rates were peaking). This locks in record interest income, currently running at about $2 billion annually, for the next 3 or 4 years. The string of decisions executed by the fixed income team over the past 24 months was brilliant and has delivered billions in value to Fairfax’s shareholders with much more to come. 13.) In 2020 and 2023, expanded partnership with Kennedy Wilson. Phase 1, in 2020, was the establishment of a $3 billion real estate debt platform. Phase 2, in 2023, was the purchase of $2 billion of PacWest loans yielding a fixed rate to maturity of 10%. Fairfax, through long term partner Kennedy Wilson, took advantage of a temporary market dislocation. 14.) In 2022, sold Resolute Forest Products for $626 million (plus $183 million CVR) at the top of the lumber cycle. Fairfax opportunistically sold at a premium price what had been one their large chronically underperforming equity holdings. This sale also improved the overall quality of the remaining basket of equity holdings. 15.) In 2023, sold Ambridge Partners for $379 million, delivering a $259 million pre-tax investment gain. Dividend: In January 2024, Fairfax increased their annual dividend 50% to $15/share. It had been $10/share going all the way back to 2011. Share buybacks: Effective shares outstanding have decreased an estimated 17.1% over the past six years from 27.8 million in 2017 to an estimated 23.0 million in 2023, an average decline of 2.9% per year. 16.) in 2021, re-purchased 2 million shares at $500/share. This was 7.6% of shares outstanding at the time. Fairfax’s share price recently closed at $1,013. Fairfax’s significant share purchase was done at an incredibly attractive price - which makes it very beneficial for the company and shareholders. This was another financial home run. The list above captures only the largest capital allocation decisions made by Fairfax in recent years. We could easily add another 15 smaller examples of transactions that are also proving to be of a material benefit to Fairfax. --------- For a comprehensive list of many of Fairfax’s capital allocation decisions going back to 2010 (sorted by year) go to the Appendix in my PDF called ‘Fairfax-Hiding in Plain Sight’. https://thecobf.com/forum/topic/20253-fairfax-financial-60-of-the-best-posts-all-in-one-document/#comment-526661 ---------- The importance of properly sizing your bet A lesson from Stan Druckenmiller: position sizes really matter https://moneyweek.com/investments/investment-strategy/605020/stan-druckenmiller-position-size-really-matters “Sizing is 70% to 80% of the equation. Part of the equation is seeing the investment, part of the investment is seeing myself in a good trading rhythm. It’s not whether you’re right or wrong, it’s how much you make when you’re right and how much you lose when you’re wrong,” says Druckenmiller. Position size matters. A lot. If you don’t believe Druckenmiller, just ask Buffett. Now take a close look at the 16 examples I cited above. What jumps out? The size of gain from each of the decisions. My math says 9 delivered a $1 billion or more gain to Fairfax and its shareholders over time. In recent years, Fairfax has been not only making very good decisions - it has been sizing them exceptionally well. The benefits to the company and shareholders have been massive - with much more to come. Fairfax’s market cap is only $25 billion. A $1 billion gain is a needle mover for the company. A bunch of them stacked one on top of the other? That is called ‘escape velocity’ for operating earnings. More on this point later in the post. Asset sales Asset sales is one part of capital allocation that separates Fairfax from its peers like Berkshire Hathaway and Markel. In selling an asset, Fairfax is essentially trading a stream of future cash flows for a lump sum today. Why should a company sell an asset? Sometimes another company - who is willing to pay up - values an asset at a much higher value than you do. The sale of the pet insurance business is a great example of this. There also can be important strategic reasons to sell an asset. For instance, if a sale allows the company to better focus on other parts of its business, selling an asset can lead to improved financial results. Selling APR to Atlas is perhaps a good example of this. Selling lower quality assets is also a good way to improve the overall quality of the remaining holdings. Selling Riverstone UK (runoff) and Resolute Forest Products are two good examples of this. Put simply, asset sales have been a very important part of Fairfax’s capital allocation framework, realizing significant value for Fairfax and its shareholders over the years. Improving the quality of the two businesses - insurance and investments Over the past 6 years Fairfax has done a great job of improving the overall quality of both its insurance and equity holdings. Equities was where the heavy lifting needed to be done - and after years of effort Fairfax has made considerable progress with many underperforming holdings (sales, mergers, take-private). Other holdings, like Eurobank, always well managed, have been greatly assisted by external events (economic pivot in Greece). Higher quality businesses are able to deliver higher and more stable earnings. And that is what we are starting to see. Analysts have been slow to recognize this change, which is one reason why their estimates were usually too low in 2023. Is Fairfax’s capital allocation record perfect? No, of course not (no company is perfect on this front). I see two notable misses: Taking until late 2020 to exit the last short position (and not exiting earlier). Not finding a way to unload Blackberry during the WallStreetBets mania that caused the share price to spike for a very short period of time in 2021. Fairfax says they were unable to act due to being in a blackout period at the time. Looking at everything they have done over the past five or so years, it is clear that Fairfax has been executing exceptionally well. "In this business if you're good, you're right six times out of ten. You're never going to be right nine times out of ten." Peter Lynch Looking at Fairfax’s track record over the past five years, I would argue that the company has been right with their capital allocation decisions at a rate much higher than 6 out of 10. In Druckenmiller parlance, Fairfax has been on a multi-year “hot streak”. Or in Buffett parlance, Fairfax has been hitting the ball like Ted Williams for the past couple of seasons. Has Fairfax simply been lucky? Did Prem give the team at Fairfax a sip of ‘liquid luck’ back in 2018? Some luck likely has been involved. But I like this definition of luck: “Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.” Roman philosopher Seneca What have we learned? Here are the words I would use to describe Fairfax’s approach to capital allocation: Flexible - use the full suite of options available. Opportunistic - take advantage of dislocations/opportunities as they arise. Countercyclical - act contrary to prevailing investment trends. Speed - act quickly when necessary. Conviction (position sizing) - go big when risk/reward is highly compelling/asymmetrical. Creative - be open minded during the process. Long term focus – goal is to generate above-market returns. Accepting of volatility. Strategic - make the company stronger - both insurance and investments. Rational - capital goes to the best (risk adjusted) opportunities. Equally capable in executing across both insurance and investment businesses. What has been the financial impact of Fairfax’s capital allocation decisions? Operating Income: Let’s start by looking at operating income given it is viewed by analysts as the most important part of an insurance company’s total earnings. Operating income at Fairfax is the sum of three things: underwriting profit, interest and dividend income and share of profit of associates. For the 5-year period from 2016-2020, operating income at Fairfax averaged $1 billion per year or $39/share. Compared to the 5-year averaged from 2016-2020: in 2021, operating income doubled to $1.8 billion or $77/share. in 2022, operating income tripled to $ 3.1 billion or $132/share. in 2023, operating income is on track to quadruple to $4.4 billion or $190/share. in 2024, operating income is estimated to quintuple to $4.6 billion or $202/share. The run rate for operating income per share in 2023 ($190/share) is 4.9 times larger than the average from 2016-2020 ($39). What is the reason for the spike higher? The dramatic increase is due in large part to the exceptional capital allocation decisions made by the management team at Fairfax over the past 6 years. Importantly, the gains in operating income are durable as they have been driven by improving fundamentals (not one time items). Investment Gains: The other important part of earnings is investment gains. This lumpy part of earnings has historically been a strength for Fairfax - the pet insurance and Resolute sales in 2022, and the Ambridge Partners sale in 2023, being three recent examples. We should expect Fairfax to continue to deliver solid (but lumpy) investment gains moving forward. My current estimate has Fairfax on track to deliver record earnings of around $170/share in 2023. Return On Equity: For the 5-year period from 2016-2020, ROE averaged about 6.0% per year. For the period 2021-2024, ROE is tracking to average 16.6%. That is a marked improvement. Important: I have use 'average equity' to calculate ROE. Some P/C insurers (like WRB) use 'beginning year equity' in their calculation. If I used 'beginning year equity' my ROE for Fairfax would be higher. Driven by strong capital allocation decisions, all important financial metrics at Fairfax have been materially improving in recent years. This strong performance looks set to continue in 2024. How is the strategic positioning of Fairfax’s businesses? Insurance: Significant expansion by acquisition 2015-2017 - build out of global platform is complete. Significant expansion by organic growth 2019-2023 - hard market Ongoing bolt-on acquisitions, like Singapore Re, has further strengthened the business. Ongoing buy-out of minority partners, like Eurolife in 2021 and Allied World in 2022, and majority partner KIPCO (GIG) in 2023, has further strengthened the business. The quality of the insurance businesses has rarely looked better. The business is delivering record net premiums written and record underwriting profit. Investments - fixed income: 2021: shortened duration of portfolio to 1.2 years and shifted to primarily government bonds in late 2021, to protect the balance sheet. 2023: extended duration to 3.1 years in October 2023, to lock in much higher rates. 2023: capitalizing on dislocations in financial markets to lock in even higher rates - with KW, purchased $2 billion in PacWest real estate loans yielding a total return of 10%. The positioning of fixed income portfolio has rarely looked better. The portfolio is delivering record interest and dividend income. Investments – equities: Total return swaps, giving exposure to 1.96 million Fairfax shares, looks well positioned. Eurobank - balance sheet is fixed, earnings are strong. Greece is expected to be a top performing economy in Europe in the coming years. Purchase of Hellenic Bank will be a catalyst in 2024. Poseidon / Atlas - is currently in rapid growth mode. Investments in India (Fairfax India/BIAL etc) look well positioned given India is expected to be a top performing global economy in the coming decade. The rest of the company’s portfolio looks well positioned. The quality of the portfolio of equities owned has rarely looked better. The portfolio is delivering record share of profit of associates and sold investment gains. Summary: The strategic positioning of each of Fairfax’s three economic engines (insurance, fixed income and equities) has been steadily improving for the past five years. Conclusion Fairfax has a strong management team. They have been executing exceptionally well over the past 6 years. They are now delivering record financial results. Both businesses - insurance and investments - appear very well positioned. Fairfax is delivering on the dual core objectives from capital allocation: Deliver good/great returns on capital deployed Improve the quality of each of the businesses (insurance and investments) over time As a result, I think we can fairly conclude that the management team at Fairfax have demonstrable best-in-class capital allocation skills, and not just within their peer group in P/C insurance. And with the company producing record operating earnings (and an estimate of around $4 billion in earnings) this best-in-class team is going to get the opportunity to deploy billions each year moving forward into new opportunities. Record, sustainable and growing earnings + exceptional capital allocation + compounding + time = exponential growth ---------- Fairfax is trading today at a P/BV of about 1.05 (using my estimated 2023YE BV). That is a very low valuation - it suggests Fairfax is a poorly run P/C insurer with poor prospects. If Fairfax is best-in-class at capital allocation how can it also be poorly run with poor prospects? The answer is simple - it can’t be both at the same time. If Fairfax is above average at capital allocation then future earnings growth should be solid. This will lead to an above average ROE. As Mr Market comes to understand Fairfax better - and that the company is an above average P/C insurer, then we should see multiple expansion. The trifecta for a stock: Growing earnings + growing multiple + lower share count = much higher share price. 'Time is the friend of the wonderful business.' Warren Buffett Edited January 29 by Viking
MMM20 Posted January 28 Posted January 28 (edited) 2 hours ago, Viking said: asset sales have been a very important part of Fairfax’s capital allocation framework, realizing significant value for Fairfax and its shareholders over the years So my friend with the big FFH position decided to take a cue from Fairfax and create his own dividend (and sell his last share if the stock triples tomorrow). FFH’s earnings yield is ~15-18% these days, and they pay out ~1/10th of it as a dividend. So selling ~6-7% of your position basically amounts to taking out about half your share of earnings to reinvest yourself and leaving the other half to get reinvested by the great capital allocators at Fairfax. Right? This is some mix of: “The first rule of compounding is never to interrupt it unnecessarily.” - Charlie Munger “One of my smartest friends in venture capital is constantly getting huge clumps of stocks at nosebleed prices. And what he does is he sells about half of them always. That way, whatever happens, he feels smart. I don't follow that practice. I don't criticize it either." - Charlie Munger I figured this might be a good middle ground / regret minimization framework for others in a similar situation. Edited January 28 by MMM20
KFS Posted January 29 Posted January 29 On 1/26/2024 at 8:15 PM, Blugolds11 said: Logged into my Fidelity account and saw something at the top of the screen telling me that I am eligible for additional income by lending shares of a security. Happened to be Fairfax…Anyone else see this? I didnt enroll, but have never seen that before….thoughts? Not necessarily as to if I should, but why they are doing it? Due to daily volume? I've received the same notification from Fidelity. 0.25% obviously isn't much, but could amount to a couple hundred extra bucks per month if you have significant holdings. What exactly is the downside to enrolling? (If there is one.) Is this easy money with no downside?
dartmonkey Posted January 29 Posted January 29 I didnt enroll, but have never seen that before….thoughts? Not necessarily as to if I should, but why they are doing it? Due to daily volume? I've received the same notification from Fidelity. 0.25% obviously isn't much, but could amount to a couple hundred extra bucks per month if you have significant holdings. What exactly is the downside to enrolling? (If there is one.) Is this easy money with no downside? I would say, yes, easy money with no downside. Interactive Brokers also pays shareholders who have agreed to allow them to lend their shares, in their case, half of the borrow fee. The borrow fee for Fairfax is low, around 0.5% as far as I can tell, so in this case, they pay similarly. The broker takes a risk, lending out shares to a short seller, because the broker obviously has a legal obligation to return them to their owner, so I can see how they earn their fee. But for me, the share owner, I can't see how there's any risk at all, and so I can't see why I would want to turn down a 0.25% payment, small as it may be, when there's no risk to me. Some people have an objection to short selling in general, and especially of short selling of the shares of a company they are invested in, but it seems to me that this is irrational emotion getting in the way of increasing one's investment return.
LC Posted January 29 Posted January 29 It's essentially riskless, but yes theoretically it could be. You agree to lend your shares out, there is a chance the ultimately counterparty(s) may fail to deliver to the central clearing house (DTCC/NSCC). For anyone who cares about the plumbing: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228260887_Naked_Short_Sales_and_Fails_to_Deliver_An_Overview_of_Clearing_and_Settlement_Procedures_for_Stock_Trades_in_the_US
Dinar Posted January 29 Posted January 29 There is a tax angle that is not being discussed. When a dividend gets paid and you own shares, in the US, it can be a qualified dividend, which puts you either into a 15% or 20% federal tax bracket on dividends + 3.8% Obama tax. If you had lent out your shares, then it is NOT a qualified dividend, but instead payment in lieu of dividend, and can be taxed as high 37.8% + Obama tax.
Xerxes Posted January 29 Posted January 29 https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/the-acquirers-podcast/id1454112457?i=1000642465517
Munger_Disciple Posted January 29 Posted January 29 53 minutes ago, Dinar said: There is a tax angle that is not being discussed. When a dividend gets paid and you own shares, in the US, it can be a qualified dividend, which puts you either into a 15% or 20% federal tax bracket on dividends + 3.8% Obama tax. If you had lent out your shares, then it is NOT a qualified dividend, but instead payment in lieu of dividend, and can be taxed as high 37.8% + Obama tax. This is a big deal.
Parsad Posted January 29 Posted January 29 On 1/27/2024 at 8:02 PM, cwericb said: Many Fairfax shareholders are now concerned about FFH being overweight in their portfolios. Obviously the reason we are overweight is primarily due to the excellent performance of the share price. Unless one believes Fairfax shares are going to suddenly reverse direction, being overweight is not necessarily a bad thing. I have owned shares in Fairfax for 17 years, not sold a share and added over time. Looking back over the years, yes there have been periods when the market surged and FFH shares did not. But people tend to forget that there were also quite a few periods when the market nosedived while FFH shares surged or maintained their value, and that often helped me sleep at night. I am just a dumb average joe and by no means a sophisticated investor. Had I traded in and out of Fairfax over the years, there is no way I would have been able to predict when to have bought and sold to my advantage. So for me at least, I am not going to sell my shares simply because the company is doing so well. JMHO Well said! Cheers!
Santayana Posted January 29 Posted January 29 On 1/28/2024 at 9:59 AM, Viking said: 16.) in 2021, re-purchased 2 million shares at $500/share. This was 7.6% of shares outstanding at the time. Fairfax’s share price recently closed at $1,013. Fairfax’s significant share purchase was done at an incredibly attractive price - which makes it very beneficial for the company and shareholders. This was another financial home run. To me, this move was the biggest of all because of how they raised the money to do it. What's the current carrying value on Odyssey?
SafetyinNumbers Posted January 30 Author Posted January 30 2 hours ago, Santayana said: To me, this move was the biggest of all because of how they raised the money to do it. What's the current carrying value on Odyssey? I’m not sure but I think with these agreements they buy back at the same multiple they sold at which in Odyssey’s case was 1.9x BV.
OCLMTL Posted January 30 Posted January 30 6 hours ago, Santayana said: To me, this move was the biggest of all because of how they raised the money to do it. What's the current carrying value on Odyssey? Funny you say that because that’s when I decided to buy Fairfax shares for the first time in my life. The arb was so big between the sale at 1.8-1.9x BV and $1B buyback at 0.8x and it was so bold, it cannot have been ignored. It was a HUGE signal Prem was sending to the markets. After that, I started buying, too small at first, and now I’m hugely OW (a lot would say irresponsibly so) and sleeping extremely well at night at these levels.
cwericb Posted January 30 Posted January 30 22 hours ago, Parsad said: Well said! Cheers! Thank you. 15 hours ago, OCLMTL said: ... now I’m hugely OW (a lot would say irresponsibly so) and sleeping extremely well at night at these levels. Ditto this. 1
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