Luke Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 Be careful what you spend your money on! What a horrible story... https://oceangate.com/expeditions/titanic-survey-expedition.html https://youtu.be/no0RVoIbvK4
Luke Posted June 21, 2023 Author Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) https://youtu.be/-rQBVbmwSbI Bought some of the gear from Camper World! Edited June 21, 2023 by Luca
Malmqky Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) That controller has to be the most janky way to control a submarine I’ve ever seen. Hope they’re found soon… Edited June 21, 2023 by Malmqky 1
rkbabang Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) He also mentions how they use a game controller so "anyone can drive" it. Edited June 21, 2023 by rkbabang 1
Malmqky Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 15 minutes ago, rkbabang said: He also mentions how they use a game controller so "anyone can drive" it. I know the US Air Force has used Xbox controllers as inspiration for familiarity reasons. This however…idk man. Seems like this whole operation was stupid to begin with.
Spekulatius Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 Well, the CEO of Oceangate is eating his own cooking as we type away here.
Castanza Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 Dudes stepson……”I’m devastated …but I’m going to go to this Blink-182 concert” smh…. https://twitter.com/MrTooDamnChris/status/1671246761116028929?s=20
Gamecock-YT Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 Might be coincidence but I’ve seen 3 sub hunter planes leaving Iceland this morning. Have a good guess where they are heading….
Castanza Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 It's ironic the CEO has an Aerospace engineering degree and built the sub out of carbon fiber which has a terrible track record for failures when it comes to subs.
Pelagic Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 Good read on some of the issues with the materials involved in its construction. Even if the controller failed, it seems the sub is slightly positively buoyant so in such a scenario it should be floating somewhere on the surface by now. https://newrepublic.com/post/173802/missing-titanic-sub-faced-lawsuit-depths-safely-travel-oceangate
Malmqky Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, Pelagic said: Good read on some of the issues with the materials involved in its construction. Even if the controller failed, it seems the sub is slightly positively buoyant so in such a scenario it should be floating somewhere on the surface by now. https://newrepublic.com/post/173802/missing-titanic-sub-faced-lawsuit-depths-safely-travel-oceangate I read they have enough air for 96 hours. *If* they’re on the surface it should be easy to locate..right? Hope these folks make it.
Luke Posted June 21, 2023 Author Posted June 21, 2023 What a story, have been consuming quite some content about this the last hours. That lawsuit tells miles... We will know by tomorrow midday if they found them or not... Just a few weeks ago i have been reading about Titanic again and stumbled on their website, was pretty surprised one is able to go there but didnt think more of it. Then this today...!
Pelagic Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 58 minutes ago, Malmqky said: I read they have enough air for 96 hours. *If* they’re on the surface it should be easy to locate..right? Hope these folks make it. Apparently on a previous trip last year the sub was "lost" on the surface for 5 hours while the mothership searched for it. One would hope they learned from that experience last year to have a better way of locating it on the surface.
ICUMD Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 Suddenly I realize, not being a billionaire with billionaire problems is ok! 1
rkbabang Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Castanza said: Dudes stepson……”I’m devastated …but I’m going to go to this Blink-182 concert” smh…. https://twitter.com/MrTooDamnChris/status/1671246761116028929?s=20 Just goes to show that everyone deals with grief (and inheriting a boat load of money earlier than expected) differently.
Castanza Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 16 minutes ago, rkbabang said: Just goes to show that everyone deals with grief (and inheriting a boat load of money earlier than expected) differently.
Saluki Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 This reminds me of the optionality that Taleb always talks about. If you buy a lottery ticket (or go to a party where you don't know anyone), the downside is small and certain but the upside is huge and unlikely. If you skydive (or go in one of these), the upside is that you finish the day and you're still alive and not paralyzed, and your out a lot of money. The downside is small, but why put yourself in that position other than for bragging rights? 1
rkbabang Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Saluki said: This reminds me of the optionality that Taleb always talks about. If you buy a lottery ticket (or go to a party where you don't know anyone), the downside is small and certain but the upside is huge and unlikely. If you skydive (or go in one of these), the upside is that you finish the day and you're still alive and not paralyzed, and your out a lot of money. The downside is small, but why put yourself in that position other than for bragging rights? It's just a different personality type. Sort of like the difference between the longs and the shorts.
tede02 Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 One thing thing I don't quite understand is why they are searching thousands and thousands of square miles. Intuitively, I'd assume the mother-ship was parked directly above the Titantic ship wreck and the sub would essentially descend vertically on the shortest possible path which would provide a relatively defined area to search. Maybe there are strong ocean currents in that area or something but the sense I get is they have no clue where the submersible is.
Castanza Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 9 minutes ago, Saluki said: This reminds me of the optionality that Taleb always talks about. If you buy a lottery ticket (or go to a party where you don't know anyone), the downside is small and certain but the upside is huge and unlikely. If you skydive (or go in one of these), the upside is that you finish the day and you're still alive and not paralyzed, and your out a lot of money. The downside is small, but why put yourself in that position other than for bragging rights? Sky diving is pretty safe. Have done it twice without any issues. Just don't go with someone who doesn't have a advanced military background (Jump Master)and you'll be good. Tbh it's not all it's cracked up to be (especially if cloudy).
TwoCitiesCapital Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Saluki said: This reminds me of the optionality that Taleb always talks about. If you buy a lottery ticket (or go to a party where you don't know anyone), the downside is small and certain but the upside is huge and unlikely. If you skydive (or go in one of these), the upside is that you finish the day and you're still alive and not paralyzed, and your out a lot of money. The downside is small, but why put yourself in that position other than for bragging rights? I'm gonna guess you haven't been sky diving, eh? It's a thrill! You could literally make this argument about anything though. Planes? At one time we're pretty dangerous. Upside was getting somewhere faster. Downside was death. Why ever travel by plane?!?! Interstate highways? Upside is getting somewhere faster. Downside is likelihood of a high speed accident increases significantly. Why risk death/dismemberment/paralyzation when you could just get there slower? I tend to think this argument is better applied to fat tails and generalized to populations than any one instance/person. I.e. nuclear safety regulations need to consider the consequences of infrequent, but catastrophic, failures. Car makers? Not so much. Edited June 21, 2023 by TwoCitiesCapital
Luke Posted June 21, 2023 Author Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, tede02 said: One thing thing I don't quite understand is why they are searching thousands and thousands of square miles. Intuitively, I'd assume the mother-ship was parked directly above the Titantic ship wreck and the sub would essentially descend vertically on the shortest possible path which would provide a relatively defined area to search. Maybe there are strong ocean currents in that area or something but the sense I get is they have no clue where the submersible is. I watched multiple videos today, in one i think they said something like landing to close to the titanic is dangerous because of currents down there, at one mission they got stuck between the ship and luckily made it out. (different operator, was a science trip and not via OceanGate) I gotta agree with @Saluki, of course with skydiving the downside is way lower but with this here... They paid 250k to go down with a "daredevil innovator". https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/worlds-first-deep-diving-submarine-plans-tourists-see-titanic-180972179/ For a handsome price, a daredevil inventor will bring you aboard his groundbreaking submarine to put eyes on most famous shipwreck of all RIP to the guys on board. Edited June 21, 2023 by Luca
Pelagic Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, tede02 said: One thing thing I don't quite understand is why they are searching thousands and thousands of square miles. Intuitively, I'd assume the mother-ship was parked directly above the Titantic ship wreck and the sub would essentially descend vertically on the shortest possible path which would provide a relatively defined area to search. Maybe there are strong ocean currents in that area or something but the sense I get is they have no clue where the submersible is. It's always fun dropping divers in the water and them popping up in unexpected places when they're done. On deep wrecks it can get interesting quick, you try to keep the boat over the wreck or ideally over their bubbles as best as possible but the current they're dealing with at depth can be counter to what you're experiencing on the surface. The variables are only magnified by a wreck in 12,000' vs. 120'. Thinking about it now, I'm actually curious how much goes into calculating the optimal position to launch the submersible "up-current" before it descends or if they simply let the sub's propulsion handle any current. It does seem though they should have had a good idea of where it was when it lost contact with them, they were likely tracking it on the ship's sonar. Apparently the mothership provides steering directions to the submersible and loss of contact between the two was fairly common.
Spekulatius Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 1 hour ago, rkbabang said: Just goes to show that everyone deals with grief (and inheriting a boat load of money earlier than expected) differently. I love Blink-182 though. Recommended it in the music thread. It's pretty uplifting which both the son and the dad need. I frankly don't blame him. There is not much he can do. A public display of a sad face is not going to help anyone.
Castanza Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Spekulatius said: I love Blink-182 though. Recommended it in the music thread. It's pretty uplifting which both the son and the dad need. I frankly don't blame him. There is not much he can do. A public display of a sad face is not going to help anyone. LOL well I mean you could you know, console your Mom or be with family? Dude is likely using it as a way to quilt the band into inviting him backstage. edit: I guess the test will be.....what the step dad thinks if he makes it through lmao. Could be getting written out of the will if he does not take it in a positive manner. Edited June 21, 2023 by Castanza
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