Gregmal Posted March 21 Posted March 21 31 minutes ago, cubsfan said: Yeah, the old NYT is right: Iran is sure kicking our ass! Oh, and now Trump is a war criminal. Yup - that's the NYT for sure! LOL Right? Let’s talk about “the truth”. Here’s a NYT opinion piece lol satire at its finest
Viking Posted March 21 Posted March 21 (edited) I have no idea how the war in Iran plays out. I am trying to be open minded. Here is another perspective. It doesn’t suggest the two sides (US/Israel and Iran) are close to resolving their dispute… ————— Iran Believes It’s Winning—and Wants a Steep Price to End the War Tehran sees an opportunity to control the Mideast’s energy as it bets on outlasting Trump’s will—a risky gamble DUBAI—Three weeks into the war, the Iranian regime is signaling that it believes it is winning and has the power to impose a settlement on Washington that entrenches Tehran’s dominance of Middle East energy resources for decades to come. This attitude may prove to be a dangerous misreading of President Trump’sdetermination, or of Israel’s capacity to inflict strategic blows on the Islamic Republic’s surviving leadership and military capabilities. Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu have given mixed signals on how long the war would go on, as they try to talk markets down and keep Tehran guessing. Netanyahu said Thursday that the war would end “a lot faster than people think.” Trump said this week the U.S. would wrap up the conflict in the “near future” even as the Pentagon dispatched thousands of additional Marines to the Middle East. The problem is, Iran also has a say in when the guns fall silent—and, for now, it seems to think time works to its benefit. Despite optimistic U.S. and Israeli pronouncements about destroying launchers and missile stocks, Iran has retained the ability to fire dozens of ballistic missiles, and many more drones, every day across the Middle East. Instead of declining, the rate of fire actually picked up in recent days compared with 10 days ago. Iranian strikes inflicted catastrophic damage this week on key energy installations in Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates—while Iran’s own oil exports kept booming. Shipping through the Strait of Hormuz, the Persian Gulf’s chokepoint, remains only possible with Iranian permission. Surging oil and gas prices, meanwhile, are exacting growing pain on economies worldwide—and putting pressure on Trump to end the war that he began in expectation of swift victory on Feb. 28. https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/iran-war-negotiations-demands-85555522?mod=WSJ_home_mediumtopper_pos_1 Edited March 21 by Viking
Parsad Posted March 21 Posted March 21 23 minutes ago, Sweet said: Trump’s response to Mueller’s death just shows how much of a piece of shit he is. Trump was lucky in some ways that it was Mueller who investigated him and not some partisan hack. Yup. But I think a lot of people will feel the same way when Trump passes as well. You reap what you sow! Cheers!
Viking Posted March 21 Posted March 21 This war isn’t going to have a Disney ending? Here is what Iran wants to end the war: (Does it sound like the two sides are close to an agreement?) “Demands voiced by Iranian leaders in recent days as conditions for ending the war include massive reparations from the U.S. and its allies and the expulsion of American military forces from the region. They have also called for transforming the Strait of Hormuz—an international waterway where free navigation is guaranteed under international law—into an Iranian toll booth controlling one-third of the world’s shipborne crude oil. “Iran is planning to enshrine a “new status” for the Strait of Hormuz to require every passing ship to pay fees to Tehran for the privilege, Expediency Council member Mohammad Mokhber, an adviser to the supreme leader on economic affairs, told the country’s Mehr news agency. “Iran will turn its position from a sanctioned country to an enhanced power in the region and the world,” he said. “We will sanction those domination-seeking arrogant powers.” https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/iran-war-negotiations-demands-85555522?mod=WSJ_home_mediumtopper_pos_1
Maverick47 Posted March 21 Posted March 21 8 minutes ago, Viking said: Instead of declining, the rate of fire actually picked up in recent days compared with 10 days ago. Iranian strikes inflicted catastrophic damage this week on key energy installations in Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates—while Iran’s own oil exports kept booming. Trump dropped sanctions on Iran’s exports of oil, right? This has got to be one of the strangest wars when one party encourages the other to keep selling their products to the rest of the world. What signal is that giving to Iran about their bargaining position?
Sweet Posted March 21 Posted March 21 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Parsad said: Yup. But I think a lot of people will feel the same way when Trump passes as well. You reap what you sow! Cheers! Was just thinking that, and he’d probably have called them ‘such nasty people” for doing so. Edited March 21 by Sweet
73 Reds Posted March 21 Posted March 21 28 minutes ago, Blake Hampton said: I read the online editions of the WSJ, FT, NYT, and my local paper every morning. I don't watch cable news or use social media, except for YouTube and the occasional use of Reddit. @cubsfan and @73 Reds never answered my question. ^ ^ ^ Where do you guys get your news? Regarding Israel and The Middle East? Directly from the source.
Viking Posted March 21 Posted March 21 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Maverick47 said: Trump dropped sanctions on Iran’s exports of oil, right? This has got to be one of the strangest wars when one party encourages the other to keep selling their products to the rest of the world. What signal is that giving to Iran about their bargaining position? @Maverick47, I agree. The US just lifted sanctions on the country it is at war with - and one that is killing Americans. This should tell people how desperate and untenable the current situation is getting. My fear is this ‘problem’ (massive energy shortage) is just getting started. In some important respects, it reminds me of Covid. We could see it coming - we had months of warnings, especially in North America. But we chose to ignore it - including financial markets. Of course, a bucket of cold water got poured on our heads in February and March of 2020 - because reality at some point matters. Again, my base case is we find a way to muddle our way through. But IMHO the tail risks are getting larger with each passing week. Edited March 21 by Viking
73 Reds Posted March 21 Posted March 21 1 minute ago, Viking said: @Maverick47, I agree. The US just lifted sanctions on the country it is at war with - and one that is killing Americans. This should tell people how desperate and untenable the current situation is getting. My fear is this ‘problem’ (massive energy shortage) is just getting started. In some important respects, it reminds me of Covid. We could see it coming - we had months of warnings, especially in North America. But we chose to ignore it - including financial markets. Of course, a bucket of cold water got poured on our heads in February and March of 2020 - reality at some point matters. @Viking perfect example with Covid as an analogy to Iran; we saw it coming from a mile (and a decade) away yet only the US and Israel finally did anything about it.
cubsfan Posted March 21 Posted March 21 52 minutes ago, Blake Hampton said: I read the online editions of the WSJ, FT, NYT, and my local paper every morning. I don't watch cable news or use social media, except for YouTube and the occasional use of Reddit. @cubsfan and @73 Reds never answered my question. ^ ^ ^ Where do you guys get your news? I get it from everywhere basically, MSM all day long - cable news - you tube sources - podcasters - as you would expect. Then I decide what I believe. Kind of how most people ought to do it. It's easy to spot a bias or agenda - then you just have to decide if you believe it. The sources of "unbiased news" are pretty scarce.
cubsfan Posted March 21 Posted March 21 35 minutes ago, Viking said: This war isn’t going to have a Disney ending? Here is what Iran wants to end the war: (Does it sound like the two sides are close to an agreement?) “Demands voiced by Iranian leaders in recent days as conditions for ending the war include massive reparations from the U.S. and its allies and the expulsion of American military forces from the region. They have also called for transforming the Strait of Hormuz—an international waterway where free navigation is guaranteed under international law—into an Iranian toll booth controlling one-third of the world’s shipborne crude oil. “Iran is planning to enshrine a “new status” for the Strait of Hormuz to require every passing ship to pay fees to Tehran for the privilege, Expediency Council member Mohammad Mokhber, an adviser to the supreme leader on economic affairs, told the country’s Mehr news agency. “Iran will turn its position from a sanctioned country to an enhanced power in the region and the world,” he said. “We will sanction those domination-seeking arrogant powers.” https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/iran-war-negotiations-demands-85555522?mod=WSJ_home_mediumtopper_pos_1 Doesn't look like the two are close at all to an agreement. But Iran is in deep shit. Certainly no reason to let up on your enemy when he's not close to surrender or your objectives are met. And we are certain achieving objectives in a way I've never seen before. (no significant losses)
cubsfan Posted March 21 Posted March 21 1 hour ago, Sweet said: Trump’s response to Mueller’s death just shows how much of a piece of shit he is. Trump was lucky in some ways that it was Mueller who investigated him and not some partisan hack. Definitely a damn shame. It's unfortunate that Mueller's legacy will be the fabrication of evidence and leading a politically motivated investigation, breaking all legal/ethical rules to "get Trump". Letitia James, Fani Willis, Robert Mueller and Jack Smith all destroyed their own reputations without any help from Trump. RIP Mueller.
Xerxes Posted March 21 Posted March 21 57 minutes ago, Maverick47 said: Trump dropped sanctions on Iran’s exports of oil, right? This has got to be one of the strangest wars when one party encourages the other to keep selling their products to the rest of the world. What signal is that giving to Iran about their bargaining position? Well until few months ago I believe Russian natural gas flowed into pipeline through Ukraine and into Central Europe, Hungary I think. Hungary paid its bill to Gazprom, and in turn Russia paid its transit fee to Ukraine for their trouble.
Xerxes Posted March 21 Posted March 21 Good news we are not going to hear much about GordonHowe bridge, …. unless Trump raises the issue in the 5 minutes between Iran War and Cuba War
SharperDingaan Posted March 21 Posted March 21 6 hours ago, Blake Hampton said: Bitcoin futures /s +100 SD
Maverick47 Posted March 21 Posted March 21 16 minutes ago, Xerxes said: Well until few months ago I believe Russian natural gas flowed into pipeline through Ukraine and into Central Europe, Hungary I think. Hungary paid its bill to Gazprom, and in turn Russia paid its transit fee to Ukraine for their trouble. Good point! I think I had some basic thought years ago that with all the growing trade interdependences across the globe, wars would be less likely in the future. The lesson I’m drawing now is not to underestimate the ability of the human race to find ways to extend conflicts and wars regardless of how intertwined their commercial transactions have become. This may be somewhat akin to the dictum PT Barnum shared that “No one ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the American public.” His exhibitions often included signs such as “This way to the egress” as a means of encouraging visitors to exit…and thus to have to pay a second entrance fee if they wanted to continue seeing the remaining attractions.
Gregmal Posted March 21 Posted March 21 (edited) What happens when the US says it’s done and hands the baton to Israel and a UAE type consortium tired of Irans antics, with a nod and wink authorization to effectively reboot Iran and run the SOH, further championing their capitalist friendly vision of the monarch kingdom? Seems the only scenarios we re hearing are the typical drivel, all obsessing over the “downfall of Orangeman”…..since these folks are never right, my money is on a different outcome. Edited March 21 by Gregmal
cubsfan Posted March 21 Posted March 21 Japan shows the way as a US ally, unlike NATO Looks like Japan will get their oil. https://english.kyodonews.net/articles/-/72724 https://english.kyodonews.net/articles/-/72649 All you can say is Trump is brilliant. While others watch, Trump gets things done.
John Hjorth Posted March 21 Posted March 21 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Gregmal said: What happens when the US says it’s done and hands the baton to Israel and a UAE type consortium tired of Irans antics, with a nod and wink authorization to effectively reboot Iran and run the SOH, further championing their capitalist friendly vision of the monarch kingdom? Seems the only scenarios we re hearing are the typical drivel, all obsessing over the “downfall of rangeman”…..since these folks are never right, my money is on a different outcome. Greg [ @Gregmal ], Why are you even asking this question, when you likely are aware of it's an irrelevant question to ask? Edited March 21 by John Hjorth
Gregmal Posted March 21 Posted March 21 7 minutes ago, John Hjorth said: Greg [ @Gregmal ], Why are you even asking this question, when you likely are aware of it's an irrelevant question to ask? Everyone else gets to post their bullshit theories? Why not me?
Sweet Posted March 21 Posted March 21 1 hour ago, cubsfan said: It's unfortunate that Mueller's legacy will be the fabrication of evidence and leading a politically motivated investigation, breaking all legal/ethical rules to "get Trump". That wasn’t Mueller though, that was all the shady stuff that lead up to the Mueller investigation. Although Mueller explicitly said he wasn’t exonerating Trump, from a practical point of view his report pretty much did. Still, the whole premise of the investigation was a joke.
John Hjorth Posted March 21 Posted March 21 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Gregmal said: Everyone else gets to post their bullshit theories? Why not me? OK, new yellow Post-It slip to the monitor 'Don't take Greg seriously, when he's posting in the CofB&F Politics topic" ... Hey, wait : 'There is no space for it, if I have to see what's on the monitor! - That place is designated for all the passwords of mine, that really matters!' Edited March 21 by John Hjorth
Spekulatius Posted March 21 Posted March 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, cubsfan said: Doesn't look like the two are close at all to an agreement. But Iran is in deep shit. Certainly no reason to let up on your enemy when he's not close to surrender or your objectives are met. And we are certain achieving objectives in a way I've never seen before. (no significant losses) Except a large pile of money and potentially the economy going into reverse. Maybe few hundred casualties too when it’s alls said and done. Edited March 21 by Spekulatius
cubsfan Posted March 21 Posted March 21 1 minute ago, Spekulatius said: Except a large pile of money and potentially the economy going into reverse. I'm sure, cause we all know Iran is winning - and Russia and China, their steadfast allies, are coming to the rescue. The USA and Israel are in deep shit! The WSJ and NYT told me so.
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