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[Gregmal]

7 minutes ago, ourkid8 said:

What do you think of Zionists raping Palestinians in jail, brutally torturing them and then they are not convicted? That’s shows a broken society where there is no rule of law. This is what happens when the leader is a genocidal war criminal.

 

That’s why I am here to add that other perspective. (I usually do not even post much either) We are not sheep, we are value investors that need to look past the noise. - if I wasn’t here, you guys would just follow all the Epstein class propaganda. 

Again, Im not really sure what to think being in the part of the world Im in; Im not a fan of war or violence...thats resolute, and I appreciate different perspectives. 

 

Whether the narrative is right or wrong, all I know is that nothing in the US would possibly allow it to be anything but negative. 

[Gregmal]

5 minutes ago, Xerxes said:

 

it is simple anything that has high resolution camera from Tehran is state-approved. Now a days, you even see a lot of “interviews” with women without Hijab in state rallies. Sometimes you see the same hijab less woman appearing in different locations expressing her love for IR. Weird that regime always happen to find the same woman to interview. 

 

And the fools from CNN played into their hand by sending there one CNN reporter to watch state rally and funerals by the regime Faithful. Wow. Some amazing on the ground reporting. 

Sure, but dont all governments have propaganda? Arent we doing Trump Coins to celebrate 250?

Edited March 20 by Gregmal

[ourkid8]

12 minutes ago, Xerxes said:

 

it is simple anything that has high resolution camera from Tehran is state-approved. Now a days, you even see a lot of “interviews” with women without Hijab in state rallies. Sometimes you see the same hijab less woman appearing in different locations expressing her love for IR. Weird that regime always happen to find the same woman to interview. 

 

And the fools from CNN played into their hand by sending there one CNN reporter to watch state rally and funerals by the regime Faithful. Wow. Some amazing on the ground reporting. 

I was in Tehran 2 years ago and there were many woman without hijabs. Obviously I never took pictures of ransoms but that shows you lack of knowledge. - please stop with your Zionist propaganda as you sound foolish. 

[rogermunibond]

29 minutes ago, 73 Reds said:

Don't you think you are making this more difficult than it needs to be?  Most of the Free World would probably agree with the following:

 

Good outcome:  Iran's nuclear capabilities are set back for as long as possible.

 

Better outcome:  The present regime is ousted and the Iranian population chooses a new leader and government.

 

Even better outcome:  The new leaders and government are willing to work with both Arab States and the rest of the Free World to improve life for citizens of Iran.   Start with the Abraham accords and trade relations outside oil with countries besides Russia and China and go from there.

 

Same kind of analysis was applied to Iraq War and various Afghan/War on terror scenarios.  For the $3T spent on Iraq the outcome wasn't anywhere as good as promised.  Same for the $5T+ spent on war on terror/Afghanistan.

 

Realistic outcome:  $2T+ is spent on Iraq War and regime status quo ante persists.  One plus being major degradation of Iran nuclear and ballistic capability.

[73 Reds]

5 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

Again, Im not really sure what to think being in the part of the world Im in; Im not a fan of war or violence...thats resolute, and I appreciate different perspectives. 

 

Whether the narrative is right or wrong, all I know is that nothing in the US would possibly allow it to be anything but negative. 

No one with an ounce of intelligence and common sense buys his BS.  The discrepancy in value systems between both sides is Worlds apart.  One side lies, cheats, steals, pillages, terrorizes, murders and assaults innocent people, propagates hate and tears down its society and citizens in the name of some Fundamentalist cause that is wholly incongruent with Western thinking.  The other side promotes democracy, rule of law, prosperity and peace.  Any wonder why nearly all Middle East news correspondents for decades have been reporting from Israel?  One side is an abject failure while the other side is an incredible success and getting more successful with each passing year.   Each side deserves exactly what it is getting.  

[73 Reds]

1 minute ago, rogermunibond said:

 

Same kind of analysis was applied to Iraq War and various Afghan/War on terror scenarios.  For the $3T spent on Iraq the outcome wasn't anywhere as good as promised.  Same for the $5T+ spent on war on terror/Afghanistan.

 

Realistic outcome:  $2T+ is spent on Iraq War and regime status quo ante persists.  One plus being major degradation of Iran nuclear and ballistic capability.

What is a fair price for a safer World?

[Xerxes]

2 minutes ago, ourkid8 said:

I was in Tehran 2 years ago and there were many woman without hijabs. Obviously I never took pictures of ransoms but that shows you lack of knowledge. - please stop with your Zionist propaganda as you sound foolish. 

you misunderstood me

sure hijab is mostly gone specially in Tehran, ….. (but thanks to the women who led the movement, and those who paid with their lives, and no thanks to the government by the way)

 

i was talking about the same pro-regime hijabless woman that seems to always be there to be interviewed. 
 

Sorry if I cause confusion 

[rogermunibond]

Just now, 73 Reds said:

What is a fair price for a safer World?

NK has nukes and the world still seems pretty safe.

 

I thought the whole point of MAGA was to have the rest of the world bear a fair share of that price?

 

Not what I'm seeing now.

 

 

[73 Reds]

1 minute ago, rogermunibond said:

NK has nukes and the world still seems pretty safe.

 

I thought the whole point of MAGA was to have the rest of the world bear a fair share of that price?

 

Not what I'm seeing now.

 

 

We've covered this.  The leader of NK values his own life.  

[Xerxes]

22 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

Sure, but dont all governments have propaganda? Arent we doing Trump Coins to celebrate 250?

 

there is a HUGE difference

 

Except the few that have Starlink, almost no one has access to the Internet. It was shutdown during the two-day massacre in January and has been shutdown again when war broke out. All the Iranians that I know in Canada have to wait for their family to call them using paidcard. A quick call to say we are good, and that we didn’t die, or that person is ok etc. 

 

So if the internet is shut that means their voices cannot be heard. Therefore in that vaccum, what is coming from the regime is magnified. CNN reporter going to state rallies doesn’t really help. 
 

here is from the foreign minister himself explaining …. 

 

 

Edited March 20 by Xerxes

[John Hjorth]

I get drepressed and frustrated  from reading this topic today. - Hey, it's spring equinox today in the Northern Hemosphere!, it's Friday!, and, and, and ... Life is great!

 

<John, reporting from the dog house >

[Sweet]

11 minutes ago, rogermunibond said:

NK has nukes and the world still seems pretty safe.

 

I thought the whole point of MAGA was to have the rest of the world bear a fair share of that price?

 

Not what I'm seeing now.

 

 

Iran has funded lots of the wars throughout the Middle East through their proxies.  Doesn’t make sense to equate the two.

[Gregmal]

If it was Kamala Harris or Justin Trudeau they'd be the biggest patriots lol. 

[Sweet]

1 minute ago, John Hjorth said:

Hey, it's spring equinox today in the Northern Hemosphere!

Long days and better weather on the way John.  I hate - HATE - winter.

[rogermunibond]

19 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

If it was Kamala Harris or Justin Trudeau they'd be the biggest patriots lol. 

 

There are plenty of MAGA influencers who see this for what it is.  Tucker Carlson, Boebert, MTG, et al.

 

Those who thought Trump would end wars that earned the US nothing but dead servicemen.

[flesh]

54 minutes ago, 73 Reds said:

Don't you think you are making this more difficult than it needs to be?  Most of the Free World would probably agree with the following:

 

Good outcome:  Iran's nuclear capabilities are set back for as long as possible.

 

Better outcome:  The present regime is ousted and the Iranian population chooses a new leader and government.

 

Even better outcome:  The new leaders and government are willing to work with both Arab States and the rest of the Free World to improve life for citizens of Iran.   Start with the Abraham accords and trade relations outside oil with countries besides Russia and China and go from there.

your response is good. You’ve outlined your position. Better would be a why for each of those… not because it’s not clear to me but because the why of some of the posters here is a mystery to me. That’s all I’m asking for. Not a Viking level of frfhf analysis, simply what you stand for and why as opposed to whack a mole. 
 

 

 

 

 

[73 Reds]

6 minutes ago, flesh said:

your response is good. You’ve outlined your position. Better would be a why for each of those… not because it’s not clear to me but because the why of some of the posters here is a mystery to me. That’s all I’m asking for. Not a Viking level of frfhf analysis, simply what you stand for and why as opposed to whack a mole. 
 

 

 

 

 

Well, the why for each is even more straight forward:  Each presents a better alternative than either the present, or prior alternative.

[Gregmal]

9 minutes ago, rogermunibond said:

 

There are plenty of MAGA influencers who see this for what it is.  Tucker Carlson, Boebert, MTG, et al.

 

Those who thought Trump would end wars that earned the US nothing but dead servicemen.

What, now those are your friends? Wonder what changed LOL

[rogermunibond]

1 minute ago, Gregmal said:

What, now those are your friends? Wonder what changed LOL

Pulling back from US entanglements in the Middle East has been something I've supported since GWB.  GWB ran on that too and then look what happened.  Trump has the same history now.  Wonder what changed for both GWB and Trump once they took office?

[Castanza]

@ourkid8 The picture you try to paint of Iran is no different than what Kim Jong Dipshit does whenever he lets media see "the real North Korea"....It's ridiculous. Nobody on here is buying your bullshit. 20% of Iranians tops support the regime. Iran has been one of if not the largest sponsors of terrorist for the last 50 years. It's a nation run by a theocratic death cult. You can argue all you want or provide whatever curated videos you have. There are enough websites out there to see the types of things that go on inside the country. Iran's regime is not politically driven and it's not economically driven. It's center mass embodies the garbage the rest of the world has to choke on from time to time. They live and project exactly what they believe....

[Gregmal]

1 minute ago, rogermunibond said:

Pulling back from US entanglements in the Middle East has been something I've supported since GWB.  GWB ran on that too and then look what happened.  Trump has the same history now.  Wonder what changed for both GWB and Trump once they took office?

We're 3 weeks into this..... If we're still here in 5 months Im positive quite a large number of folks will feel passionately different.

[73 Reds]

4 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

We're 3 weeks into this..... If we're still here in 5 months Im positive quite a large number of folks will feel passionately different.

Agreed.  Pretty much every prior venture in the Middle East has resulted in failure.  If we picked up and left today, the mission would be deemed a success, at least insofar as setting Iran's nuclear capabilities back.  If the goal is containment we can rinse and repeat as necessary - no one can legitimately refute that with a straight face as long as we have an Administration willing to do so.  But the goal for now is higher. 

[Gregmal]

2 minutes ago, 73 Reds said:

Agreed.  Pretty much every prior venture in the Middle East has resulted in failure.  If we picked up and left today, the mission would be deemed a success, at least insofar as setting Iran's nuclear capabilities back.  If the goal is containment we can rinse and repeat as necessary - no one can legitimately refute that with a straight face as long as we have an Administration willing to do so.  But the goal for now is higher. 

Nah bro, you seen MTG and Tucker? Previously if you mentioned those two, we'd mock you. But now since they sing our tunes we quote them. 

[Parsad]

51 minutes ago, John Hjorth said:

I get drepressed and frustrated  from reading this topic today. - Hey, it's spring equinox today in the Northern Hemosphere!, it's Friday!, and, and, and ... Life is great!

 

<John, reporting from the dog house >

 

+1!  We should all enjoy our day...we're not getting bombed over here...other than Greg.  I think he was drinking last night!    Cheers!

[73 Reds]

Just now, Gregmal said:

Nah bro, you seen MTG and Tucker? Previously if you mentioned those two, we'd mock you. But now since they sing our tunes we quote them. 

Not me, LOL.  My only fear here is we won't go far enough.  Not a popular MAGA position for sure, but my fear is founded on what a different political administration would do, or more accurately REFUSE to do under the circumstances.  Trump sees an opportunity to negate the inevitable future swing in politics and do what is necessary now.