Red Lion Posted June 23, 2025 Posted June 23, 2025 8 hours ago, changegonnacome said: we Israel, the US & a coalition of the willing, need to commit ground forces to invade Iran and topple the regime". Why not targeted assassinations, sanctions and military strikes until the regime collapses?
changegonnacome Posted June 23, 2025 Posted June 23, 2025 52 minutes ago, Red Lion said: Why not targeted assassinations, sanctions and military strikes until the regime collapses? In the story I tell above…a not implausible story…. Do we have time to wait around for what you suggest which could take months, years? In my story Bibi in a few weeks time explains that Mossad has confirmed that Iran managed to move enough enriched uranium off-site, that they still retain enough functioning centrifuges for 90% enrichment and are now hell bent on enrichment & ignition as a means to survive. We’ll, for example, start to hear about suitcase nuclear bombs in the absence of confirmed ICBM capabilities (classic threat inflation). Listen Bibi is one of the finest politicians I’ve seen in my life….you are watching a masterclass in political calculation and state craft….this Iran attack carried out by the USA is really a culmination of his life’s work….he will not rest on his laurels now re: Iran and will continue to skillfully press for ever deeper US commitments to secure regime change…make no mistake about it Bibi will begin to build a case around “finishing the job we started” over the next number of days, weeks, months. I hope the evidence of capability destruction is so immense that Bibi won’t have any credibility when the above threat inflation begins again let’s see.
Red Lion Posted June 23, 2025 Posted June 23, 2025 1 minute ago, changegonnacome said: In the story I tell above…a not implausible story…. Do we have time to wait around for what you suggest which could take months, years? In my story Bibi in a few weeks time explains that Mossad has confirmed that Iran managed to move enough enriched uranium off-site, that they still retain enough functioning centrifuges for 90% enrichment and are now hell bent on enrichment & ignition as a means to survive. We’ll, for example, start to hear about suitcase nuclear bombs in the absence of confirmed ICBM capabilities (classic threat inflation). Listen Bibi is one of the finest politicians I’ve seen in my life….you are watching a masterclass in political calculation and state craft….this Iran attack carried out by the USA is really a culmination of his life’s work….he will not rest on his laurels now re: Iran and will continue to skillfully press for ever deeper US commitments to secure regime change…make no mistake about it Bibi will begin to build a case around “finishing the job we started” over the next number of days, weeks, months. I hope the evidence of capability destruction is so immense that Bibi won’t have any credibility when the above threat inflation begins again let’s see. I don’t disagree with anything in your story, but I also don’t see trump wanting to commit to land forces.
changegonnacome Posted June 23, 2025 Posted June 23, 2025 2 minutes ago, Red Lion said: trump wanting to commit to land forces The frog gets boiled slowly….the biggest hurdle IMO has already been overcome ….a unilateral United States attack on Iran….the next military commitment, and the one after will cause Trump less anguish & consideration….we have….to put it bluntly entered a new phase in our relationship with Iran….and the story of escalation ladders is just how unpredictable and prone to large jumps in commitment levels they are…to the point where political leaders (even war haters like Trump) very often wonder how the hell they got to the point where they find themselves at.
Grenville Posted June 23, 2025 Posted June 23, 2025 10 hours ago, Marco Van Basten said: Clearly reading comprehension is not your strong suit nor is knowledge of history. I did not say that all of Gaza followed f Hamas, however Hamas won 70%+ of the popular vote. Secondly, I never stated that all Gazans deserve to be obliterated. I said that they would not be in the situation that they are in now had they followed Lee Quan Yew rather than Hamas. If you still have difficulty understanding, I will give you an analogy: if somebody routinely crosses the street on a red light, they drastically increase their chances of being fatally struck by a car, however I would not say that they deserve to be struck by a car. Similarly, smoking drastically increases your chances of lung cancer, so I would say that the consequences of smoking are much higher chances of having lung cancer, that however does not mean that I think that all or any smokers deserve lung cancer. I see so reading comprhension is not my strong suit nor knowledge of history. Thank you for educating me! So i learned today that had the Gazans chose Lee Quan Yew they would be thriving.... I wasn't aware they had that choice (something new I learned also), but it's too bad they didn't go with Lee Quan Yew as they wouldn't be in the current predicatment. Also I learned that Hamas won 70%+ of the popular vote. I'm assuming when the 70%+ who voted for Hamas assumed it would lead to their current predicament so they decided that knowingly insted of going with the alternative of Lee Quan Yew and a thriving life. Now you also taught me some analogies. The first one is that routinely crossing a street on a red light drastically increases the chances of being fatally struck by a car, but doesn't mean they deserve to be struck by a car. So if I take the analogy and apply it to Gazans, they I assume are the ones choosing to routinely cross the street at red lights and the red light is going with Hamas. So by choosing hamas with their popular vote they increased their chances of being struck by a car. So even though they routinely choose hamas they don't deserve to be hit, but they increased their chances of being hit. Did I get the analogy right? The other analogy you taught me was smoking and lung cancer. So if I apply it to the Gaza example, they chose Hamas which I assume is like smoking...choosing Hamas increased their chances of lung cancer. They knowingly increased their chances of lung cancer with their choice and their current predicament is lung cancer...So even though they don't deserve it, because they decided to go 70%+ with Hamas this led to lung cancer...Did I get that analogy right? Where does Lee Quan Yew fit in this analogy? Had they chose Lee Quan yew in the first analogy would that be not crossing the street or would that be a bridge over the street? How about the second analogy is Lee Quan Yew just not smoking cigarettes and instead doing yoga or is like Lee Quan Yew is the cure for cancer? Looking forward to learning these analogies. Is my reading comprehension getting better? How about my awareness of history?
Parsad Posted June 23, 2025 Posted June 23, 2025 17 hours ago, Spekulatius said: So what’s the bet for the SPY opening on Monday? Down 1-2%? Lots of dip buyers nowadays. 1-2% is an average day these days. Personally, I think this may actually calm things down now in terms of the Middle East. No one is going to retaliate against the U.S. or probably even Israel other than possibly Iran. And they won't be able to do much other than target U.S. troops or citizens over there. It will open the door to small terrorist groups who want to make a name for themselves over time. Cheers!
Parsad Posted June 23, 2025 Posted June 23, 2025 16 hours ago, Blake Hampton said: Just from reading, I get the sense that a lot of Iranians are of the same mind of the WW2 Japanese — that they’re very willing to die for the sake of their country. Maybe some...but I would imagine that most want a regime change. If they are going to die for something, I think it would be that and not to support the existing government. Cheers!
Parsad Posted June 23, 2025 Posted June 23, 2025 16 hours ago, cubsfan said: Congratulations to the greatest US President of our times. He just totally undid the Obama/Biden legacy of coddling terrorists. Oh Lord! Shoot me now! Cheers!
Parsad Posted June 23, 2025 Posted June 23, 2025 14 hours ago, SharperDingaan said: Shite happens, oil spikes higher, and the war premium just gets bigger. SD But remember SD...Sunni days are ahead of us! Cheers!
Parsad Posted June 23, 2025 Posted June 23, 2025 12 hours ago, Santayana said: With the size and terrain of Iran, a ground invasion would make Afghanistan look like a cakewalk. I agree. A ground war would be the last thing anyone wants. Now that their so-called nuclear facilities are hampered, Israel and the U.S. need to be strategic...sanctions, only military/communications targets if there is any sort of retaliation, ensure that no one else in the Middle East considers providing any support for Iran (I don't see that happening) and then do everything possible for regime change internally. Cheers!
sleepydragon Posted June 23, 2025 Posted June 23, 2025 Israel said yesterday they have “interesting information “ about where the enriched uranium are. today their missiles hit the entrance door of the prison where iran kept their political prisoners. I speculate that’s where the uranium is
John Hjorth Posted June 23, 2025 Posted June 23, 2025 24 minutes ago, sleepydragon said: Israel said yesterday they have “interesting information “ about where the enriched uranium are. today their missiles hit the entrance door of the prison where iran kept their political prisoners. I speculate that’s where the uranium is If that is so, then the Iranian priesthood is actually a bunch of mean old men.
John Hjorth Posted June 23, 2025 Posted June 23, 2025 Bloomberg - Politics [June 23rd 2025] :Trump Warns Against Rising Oil Prices Following Iran Attack. As always, the POTUS knows better, because he is such a genius, smarter than everyone else, and the oil markets are actually not markets, they are just conduits existing to be 'managed' by the POTUS, at the POTUS' whatever and whenever discretion.
Buckeye Posted June 23, 2025 Posted June 23, 2025 Thanks to Donald Trump and Stephen Miller, two of the hardest dude’s I know, we won’t have to worry about this rapist, murderer, drug-dealing, landscaper and father of 3 Marines, any longer! Get this scum out of here! I feel so much safer already! And now there’s one more highly-prized job for a real American! Once we’ve deported a few more of these losers, then all of the Joe 0-packs will put down their Nintendo controllers, turn off the Joe Rogan podcast, close their Draft Kings and Coinbase apps, and rise up from their parent’s basements, like a great Phoenix, to take back the American jobs that have been stollen from them! MAGA! https://www.newsweek.com/narciso-barranco-marine-beaten-border-patrol-california-2089242
John Hjorth Posted June 23, 2025 Posted June 23, 2025 (edited) AP News - World News [June 23rd 2025] : Iran launches missile attacks on US bases in Qatar and Iraq. - - - o 0 o - - - Symbolic revenge to get even, revenge combined with 'We have had enough', or escalation? Edited June 23, 2025 by John Hjorth
whiskybravo Posted June 23, 2025 Posted June 23, 2025 57 minutes ago, Buckeye said: Thanks to Donald Trump and Stephen Miller, two of the hardest dude’s I know, we won’t have to worry about this rapist, murderer, drug-dealing, landscaper and father of 3 Marines, any longer! Get this scum out of here! I feel so much safer already! And now there’s one more highly-prized job for a real American! Once we’ve deported a few more of these losers, then all of the Joe 0-packs will put down their Nintendo controllers, turn off the Joe Rogan podcast, close their Draft Kings and Coinbase apps, and rise up from their parent’s basements, like a great Phoenix, to take back the American jobs that have been stollen from them! MAGA! https://www.newsweek.com/narciso-barranco-marine-beaten-border-patrol-california-2089242 Unfortunate. Wouldn’t it have been better not to let 10M illegal migrants cross the border. Maybe you would have won the last presidential election. I see you mock MAGA with the American flag. Leftists!
LC Posted June 23, 2025 Posted June 23, 2025 3 hours ago, John Hjorth said: Bloomberg - Politics [June 23rd 2025] :Trump Warns Against Rising Oil Prices Following Iran Attack. As always, the POTUS knows better, because he is such a genius, smarter than everyone else, and the oil markets are actually not markets, they are just conduits existing to be 'managed' by the POTUS, at the POTUS' whatever and whenever discretion. Remember the rules: Nothing bad is the fault of POTUS. Everything good comes from POTUS. When you hold POTUS at his word but he flip-flops/lied? Well it's your fault for believing him in the first place. When you second-guess POTUS but he follows through? You better know it's your fault for not believing Dear Leader in the first place. If when the stars align and something works out - even something totally unrelated? That's 100% due to POTUS and you better throw him a cool percentage as a little "thank you" gift!
changegonnacome Posted June 23, 2025 Posted June 23, 2025 (edited) Time for some talking I guess......obvious move for US and Iran....Bibi not so much.....hopefully Donald shuts down this conflict and gets a deal in place that puts Bibi and Khamenei in a straightjacket so tight neither can wriggle out of it......the most interesting next move isn't Iran's its Bibi's (for all the reasons I spoke about up thread). Edited June 23, 2025 by changegonnacome
whiskybravo Posted June 23, 2025 Posted June 23, 2025 (edited) 1 hour ago, LC said: Remember the rules: Nothing bad is the fault of POTUS. Everything good comes from POTUS. When you hold POTUS at his word but he flip-flops/lied? Well it's your fault for believing him in the first place. When you second-guess POTUS but he follows through? You better know it's your fault for not believing Dear Leader in the first place. If when the stars align and something works out - even something totally unrelated? That's 100% due to POTUS and you better throw him a cool percentage as a little "thank you" gift! Invert, always invert. Nothing good comes from POTUS. Everything bad is the fault of POTUS, etc. and so on. Edited June 23, 2025 by whiskybravo
adesigar Posted June 23, 2025 Posted June 23, 2025 1 hour ago, whiskybravo said: Invert, always invert. Nothing good comes from POTUS. Everything bad is the fault of POTUS, etc. and so on. Yes we heard that for 4 years during Biden and 8 years of Obama from the right wing nutcases.
whiskybravo Posted June 23, 2025 Posted June 23, 2025 13 minutes ago, adesigar said: Yes we heard that for 4 years during Biden and 8 years of Obama from the right wing nutcases. True
cubsfan Posted June 23, 2025 Posted June 23, 2025 1 hour ago, adesigar said: Yes we heard that for 4 years during Biden and 8 years of Obama from the right wing nutcases. Yeah, boy, they really screwed the pooch. Obama gives Iran $1.7B, Biden unfreezes $16B+ to fund terrorism & nukes. The Ayatollah knows how to play his suckers.
Dalal.Holdings Posted June 23, 2025 Posted June 23, 2025 (edited) If Donnie successfully achieves ceasefire about 48h after wrecking Iranian nuclear facilities, letting Israel let loose for ~12 days, massively weakening Iranian regime, he will have proved his mettle. Guess it's time for the Nobel Peace Prize if it works out (would certainly be more deserved than the one Obama won), but of course European elites won't ever let that happen Edited June 23, 2025 by Dalal.Holdings
SharperDingaan Posted June 23, 2025 Posted June 23, 2025 And a cease fire breaks out in the ME ...... https://ca.news.yahoo.com/trump-announces-israel-iran-ceasefire-222214425.html SD
Gregmal Posted June 23, 2025 Posted June 23, 2025 Nah we need to wait for the “experts” to come in and micro analyze how this isn’t actually a deal and everything is idiotic and how Trump is really just soooo stooopid.
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