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[Gregmal]

4 minutes ago, changegonnacome said:

New York times

Yea, NYT generally pushes those same narratives. Gold standard in journalism? Lmfao 

[changegonnacome]

7 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

Yea, NYT generally pushes those same narratives. Gold standard in journalism? Lmfao 

 

Name me a better source?

 

 

[Gregmal]

You’ve gotta rely on putting everything together and weighing each situation. Critical thinking. Not much value in shortcuts. But it’s downright scary people may think NYT is the gold standard given their history the past decade and even outright boasts and declarations of an agenda from the higher ranks there.

[Marco Van Basten]

1 hour ago, Grenville said:

However you want to label it, the stuff that’s happening to the folks in Gaza sucks and ain’t right…here it doesn’t seem like there is much sympathy/empathy for them. Maybe I am reading it wrong but seems like folks think they (folks in Gaza) have brought on what’s happening to them based on their past choices…

Nobody in their right mind would say that what a 5 year old goes through in Gaza is deserved.   However what is happening is a consequence of what the child's parents/uncles/grandparents/neighbors chose.  The same way that I would feel sorry for a kid that is killed in a car accident because his father was driving drunk, is the same way I feel sorry for the child in Gaza.  The problem is in neither case do I know how to solve the problem, and I have never heard anyone propose a solution that would work.   If you know a solution, please feel free to post it.  As a historical aside, as horrible as events are in Gaza now, they are not outrageous by historical norms.  Most if not all of wars in the past featured atrocities that were much worse than what is happening right now.  

[changegonnacome]

9 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

You’ve gotta rely on putting everything together and weighing each situation. Critical thinking. Not much value in shortcuts. But it’s downright scary people may think NYT is the gold standard given their history the past decade and even outright boasts and declarations of an agenda from the higher ranks there.

 

I asked for a better source for raw "news"...not opinions...what you seem to rail against alot is opinons.....the problem with all the alternative media guys....is I'm yet to see how a podcaster with 1.5 employees is an upgrade to the NEWSrooms of the NYT, WSJ, WP, FT.....

 

The New York times article I dropped - is a news report......alternative media has a place where the raw news is interpreted differently and can bust consensus narratives that sit on top of the raw news etc.

 

We'll find out in a few days how accurate the NYT 'news' is.....my guess is pretty damn accurate....cause whether the centruguges floors in Fordo collapsed isnt a matter of opionion its a matter of fact/news.

Edited June 24, 2025 by changegonnacome

[Blake Hampton]

32 minutes ago, changegonnacome said:

Name me a better source?

 

X, Fox News, Trump himself, that one hot blonde chick married to the 70 year old

[Blake Hampton]

6 minutes ago, Blake Hampton said:

X, Fox News, Trump himself, that one hot blonde chick married to the 70 year old

 

Oh and Facebook of course

[Parsad]

4 hours ago, RichardGibbons said:

 

I know it's cool with certain kids these days, but it isn't a good strategy to call something a genocide when it isn't. It's very obvious that if Israel wanted a genocide, at this point there wouldn't be a single Palestinian left alive in Gaza.

 

So, when you pretend that it is a genocide, you lose a lot of credibility with anyone sensible--people who might support many of the same goals, but basically dismiss you because they don't want to be associated with crazy.

 

I think I get why people do it--they want their cause to appear much larger and more important than it actually is. But in practice, it just dilutes the idea of genocide, and that's quite a bad thing, I think. It's good to have the word "genocide" actually mean what it does, so that when there's an actual genocide, people don't have to say, "no, this time I mean it. This is an actual genocide."

 

+1!  Cheers!

[Parsad]

4 hours ago, coc said:

 

I'm sorry I wasn't clear enough. Please peddle your bullshit to someone else. I was speaking to @ourkid8

 

You might have been speaking to @ourkid8 but you said it to everyone.  Maybe personal message next time!  Cheers!

[cubsfan]

12 minutes ago, changegonnacome said:

 

I asked for a better source for raw "news"...not opinions...what you seem to rail against alot is opinons.....the problem with all the alternative media guys....is I'm yet to see how a podcaster with 1.5 employees is an upgrade to the NEWSrooms of the NYT, WSJ, WP, FT.....

 

The New York times article I dropped - is a news report......alternative media has a place where the raw news is interpreted differently and can bust consensus narratives that sit on top of the raw news etc.

 

We'll find out in a few days how accurate the NYT 'news' is.....my guess is pretty damn accurate....cause whether the centruguges floors in Fordo collapsed isnt a matter of opionion its a matter of fact/news.

 

The NYT and the Post are hardly "objective", who you kidding?

 

Anyone "objective" gets to resign or run out of the company. It's been happening for years, everyone knows it.

 

 

[Gregmal]

13 minutes ago, changegonnacome said:

 

I asked for a better source for raw "news"...not opinions...what you seem to rail against alot is opinons.....the problem with all the alternative media guys....is I'm yet to see how a podcaster with 1.5 employees is an upgrade to the NEWSrooms of the NYT, WSJ, WP, FT.....

 

The New York times article I dropped - is a news report......alternative media has a place where the raw news is interpreted differently and can bust consensus narratives that sit on top of the raw news etc.

 

We'll find out in a few days how accurate the NYT 'news' is.....my guess is pretty damn accurate....cause whether the centruguges floors in Fordo collapsed isnt a matter of opionion its a matter of fact/news.

I know right. Didn’t the establishment award them some kind of prize for their Russiagate report too? Hearing what you like to hear is damn attractive tho 

[Gregmal]

Yep. The other gold standard Change mentioned, Washington Post, had droves of people resigning in fury after a declaration from the owner to start being more neutral and less biased lol. Gold standard tho!

[Parsad]

4 hours ago, Blake Hampton said:

 

Slippery slope there.

Maybe the Einsatzgruppen were simply "horrific side-effects of war."

 

C'mon...what's happening in the U.S. is closer than what is happening in Gaza.  People being systematically removed from their family, homes, workplaces, public places by masked men with guns in the day, middle of the night without warning.  

 

What is happening in Gaza is war...you cut off supplies, food, water, energy, ammunition, etc to the guerilla warfare enemy.  If they are using people as human shields, you cannot simply give the supplies and not expect it to get into their hands.

 

What if Hamas had killed 100,000 people instead of killing, maiming or taking hostage 1,000 people?  Would that make it any more or less justifiable?  The numbers are just numbers...the end goal of Hamas/Hezbollah and Iran is actual genocide.  They want to blow Israel out of existence...true genocide!  Cheers!  

[Parsad]

2 hours ago, Grenville said:

However you want to label it, the stuff that’s happening to the folks in Gaza sucks and ain’t right…here it doesn’t seem like there is much sympathy/empathy for them. Maybe I am reading it wrong but seems like folks think they (folks in Gaza) have brought on what’s happening to them based on their past choices…

 

I'm sure there were many, many Germans that were a victim of their government...but at the end of the day, the scourge that instigated the whole mess had to be removed and that meant there would be unwanted casualties.  Why would this be any different?  Everyone has sympathy for the innocent...but humanity's endless engagement of war to perpetuate ideology is nothing new.  

 

Cheers!

[Parsad]

26 minutes ago, Blake Hampton said:

 

X, Fox News, Trump himself, that one hot blonde chick married to the 70 year old

 

Who the hell is she?  Do you know?  Cheers!

[Gregmal]

The other thing I’d say is that I’m not really invested or emotionally in need of an “exact victory” the way you “need to get Trump” guys are. I can see 6 different stories all generally detailing an event with whatever slants they want and roundaboutly arrive at the place I need to be to produce a general conclusion relevant for investing. You guys my god, desperately need to fill these exact narratives you thirst for on a regular basis and just become relentlessly obsessed with backfilling them however you need to. It’s amusing to watch but must be difficult having such a pointless occupation!

Edited June 24, 2025 by Gregmal

[changegonnacome]

22 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

Yep. The other gold standard Change mentioned, Washington Post, had droves of people resigning in fury after a declaration from the owner to start being more neutral and less biased lol. Gold standard tho!

Nobody is saying the gold standard - is perfect…not a chance….but it’s like these socialist morons railing against capitalism…yeah sure it’s not perfect…but show me something better morons?!?!??

 

So I’ll ask you again - what is a better source of raw news (not opinion) than some combination/triangulation of the NYT, WSJ, FT, WP…..there just isn’t a better alternative…so shit on news from those sources if you like but until you can suggest something superior your literally howling at the moon living in an alternative news media world that you believe is better but objectively isn’t. 

[Gregmal]

1 minute ago, changegonnacome said:

So I’ll ask you again - what is a better source of raw news (not opinion) than some combination/triangulation of the NYT, WSJ, FT, WP…..there just isn’t a better alternative…so shit on news from those sources if you like but until you can suggest something superior your literally howling at the moon living in an alternative news media world that you believe is better but objectively isn’t. 

Yes, scroll through everything. If I can’t do that I see zero if not negative value in just routinely heading to a dump like NYT. If I had to pick one or two though, Bloomberg and WSJ would be what you describe “gold standard” to be. Although I also think “having” to call something a gold standard is shortsighted because again look at what’s become of these slack houses? NYT is literally just a bunch of woke queens with an anti Trump agenda. WAPO has improved since Bezos took over but still too early to be deemed reliable. Stuff like CNN, FOX, NBC, non starters. The only place I’ve found consistently reporting everything is NY Post(for instance your bunker buster story NYP today has duel headlines about how much damage and how little damage was done)…but it’s more of an aggregator and still has way too much “see which Real Housewife got a tit job” content. News has been degraded into entertainment and agenda spreading crap designed to feed people’s needs to have “wins” and “gotchas”, I don’t need that stuff I just need the variables that allow me to invest productively.

[Gregmal]

So for instance Liberation Day I just needed to see a picture, X, CNBC or whatever of Trump with the chart…to know what was going on based on past shenanigans and have an understanding about how each news source, such as NYT(which obsessed over the story because that’s what gold standards these days do) and knew the outcome and how to play it…and that worked out way better than the people with all the “sources” and daily prognostications and all that bullshit.

[changegonnacome]

1 minute ago, Gregmal said:

NYT(which obsessed over the story because that’s what gold standards these days do)

You continue to mix up news with opinion….not sure we’re having the same conversation here.

[Gregmal]

3 minutes ago, changegonnacome said:

You continue to mix up news with opinion….not sure we’re having the same conversation here.

Because you cited the New York Times and WAPO as news sources which are two junklets that have become completely overrun with opinion and agenda infused presentations of “news” and “facts”…but  I guess that confusion is why…TAFFI

[Blake Hampton]

Arguing with righties anymore is like trying to convince someone that the sky isn't red.

When you tell them to simply look up, they get mad at you and then say it's a hologram.

[Gregmal]

22 minutes ago, Blake Hampton said:

Arguing with righties anymore is like trying to convince someone that the sky isn't red.

When you tell them to simply look up, they get mad at you and then say it's a hologram.

How’s your news sources working for you? 

[changegonnacome]

2 hours ago, Gregmal said:

New York Times and WAPO as news sources which are two junklets that have become completely overrun with opinion and agenda infused presentations of “news” and “facts”

 

Perhaps - but at their core they are the best we've got in terms of the production of a raw material I'll call "news reporting".....the WP/NYT/WSJ/FT....staffed and resourced as they are have by far away the deepest and widest network of 'little birdies' in D.C and throughout the world and nobody comes close......to say or think there is some superior alternative to an amalgamation & triangulation of this group for news reporting is not a credible argument.....literally the majority of other 'news' outlets re-report news reports from these guys....to say nothing about the alternative media guys who never leave their podcasting studio bunkers and have never talked to a 'source' in their lives.

 

 

 

Now if Donald above wants to keep going against the real 'experts' in our own Defense Intelligence Agency's assessment (the ones leaked to NYT's) cause Donald's ego is all wrapped up in a retarded statement he made on Saturday when he wanted to take a live TV victory lap with all his "obliterated" talk.....like let's think this through.....anybody with half a brain would realize of course that it's impossible for anyone to know what was obliterated or not so soon after a remote operation 7,500 miles away done by air power that involved targeting a centrifugal hallway 90 metres down inside a god damn giant mountain You are living in Narnia if you don't realize that Trump was selling bullshit on Saturday night TV with all his obliterated talk and is now doing what he always does.....doubling down on his bullshit in the face of counterfactual news reports.

 

Listen if Trump wants to keep repeating that the centrifuges we're obliterated (like he repeats the 2020 election was stolen) ...that's kinda fine with me....I'm all for this particular BIG LIE.....as it shut down Bibi's pathway to sucking us in further to Iran. Yep I agree Donnie....amazing success....we gave Bibi everything he wanted....the Middle East/iran is his problem now....lets get back to East Asia where American security and global dominance is actually being threatened.

 

 

Edited June 25, 2025 by changegonnacome

[changegonnacome]

Donald’s ‘obliterated’ damage assessment….is being obliterated…that old NYT’s spreading fake agenda infused news again I guess and the Israeli’s assisting them now with additional reporting being fed to CNN.
 

How crazy is it - that President of the United States so consumed with PR optics that he just had to say “obliterated” in his Saturday night victory lap when it was simply impossible for him or anyone to know the outcome at the point…is now contradicting his own defense intelligence reports and Israeli reports cause he’s basically BS’d the American people on Saturday night.