flesh Posted May 12 Posted May 12 Elon could have easily cut 1t from the budget of waste fraud and abuse, they didn't let him. Anyone who doesn't think there's 1t hiding in that 7+ T/year budget is naive.
dealraker Posted May 12 Posted May 12 (edited) 12 minutes ago, flesh said: Elon could have easily cut 1t from the budget of waste fraud and abuse, they didn't let him. Anyone who doesn't think there's 1t hiding in that 7+ T/year budget is naive. It actually might be more appropriate at some point that someone or those not literally living off budget deficits to gain control of the budget. There is zero motivation for anyone in our current guv to lower the deficit but plenty of incentives to raise it. Edited May 12 by dealraker
Buckeye Posted May 12 Posted May 12 1 hour ago, flesh said: Elon could have easily cut 1t from the budget of waste fraud and abuse, they didn't let him. Anyone who doesn't think there's 1t hiding in that 7+ T/year budget is naive. Who is “they” in your scenario? I must be naive. You think there is 1t “hiding” in plain sight? If so, what are you cutting?
dwy000 Posted May 12 Posted May 12 1 hour ago, dealraker said: It actually might be more appropriate at some point that someone or those not literally living off budget deficits to gain control of the budget. There is zero motivation for anyone in our current guv to lower the deficit but plenty of incentives to raise it. "The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers it can bribe the public with the public's money". Alex deTocqueville
flesh Posted May 12 Posted May 12 43 minutes ago, Buckeye said: Who is “they” in your scenario? I must be naive. You think there is 1t “hiding” in plain sight? If so, what are you cutting? I could write a book on it but you wouldn’t believe. A quick story. I had a job where I spoke with 50/new people a week for the better part of 14 years about their personal finances. Mostly USA, some other English speaking countries. I knew their income, sources, what wealth and where. Debts etc. As an artifact of the marketing process, 10% of them were on disability, ssdi/similar. They “couldn’t work” for various reasons none through any fault of their own naturally. However what I was selling required working 10 hours a week from home minimum. I’ve always been curious and because they were all too broke to buy anyway, I’d ask them how can they work 10 hours a week if they “can’t work”? Miraculously, they rationalized and found a way to convince me they could do it, 95% of the time, “even more” in most cases. some will say this is worse than the super scientific stats paraded around these days. I disagree, 1000’s of them I asked the same thing, most sang the same song. If people heard what I heard, they’d be sick to their stomachs. You wouldn’t believe how many people are “depressed” and can’t work, as if we haven’t known suffering to be the human condition since words were written. The 5% who needed it, truly did. They were broken, like my brother who doesn’t qualify for ssdi because his disease stopped him from working for too long after he’d last worked. Now that won’t change your mind, only you can do that. spend some time with AI asking for more and more evidence of each and every govts programs perversions. What they started out as/intended for vs what they are now, their growth rates in excess of inflation plus population growth. Why it happens, what the trends are now. Do this for hours a day for a month. You will ask the wrong questions often. Eventually reality might smack you upside the head enough. Cheers.
rogermunibond Posted May 12 Posted May 12 SSDI spend is $128 billion for 2025. Divide that by 45,000 disability benefit and you get maybe 2.85 million on SSDI. Less than 1% of the population. How long would it take to re-validate that SSDI spend?
Buckeye Posted May 12 Posted May 12 42 minutes ago, flesh said: I could write a book on it but you wouldn’t believe. A quick story. I had a job where I spoke with 50/new people a week for the better part of 14 years about their personal finances. Mostly USA, some other English speaking countries. I knew their income, sources, what wealth and where. Debts etc. As an artifact of the marketing process, 10% of them were on disability, ssdi/similar. They “couldn’t work” for various reasons none through any fault of their own naturally. However what I was selling required working 10 hours a week from home minimum. I’ve always been curious and because they were all too broke to buy anyway, I’d ask them how can they work 10 hours a week if they “can’t work”? Miraculously, they rationalized and found a way to convince me they could do it, 95% of the time, “even more” in most cases. some will say this is worse than the super scientific stats paraded around these days. I disagree, 1000’s of them I asked the same thing, most sang the same song. If people heard what I heard, they’d be sick to their stomachs. You wouldn’t believe how many people are “depressed” and can’t work, as if we haven’t known suffering to be the human condition since words were written. The 5% who needed it, truly did. They were broken, like my brother who doesn’t qualify for ssdi because his disease stopped him from working for too long after he’d last worked. Now that won’t change your mind, only you can do that. spend some time with AI asking for more and more evidence of each and every govts programs perversions. What they started out as/intended for vs what they are now, their growth rates in excess of inflation plus population growth. Why it happens, what the trends are now. Do this for hours a day for a month. You will ask the wrong questions often. Eventually reality might smack you upside the head enough. Cheers. Great story. So where are you cutting the 1T? You made it sound so simple, that only us naive people couldn’t figure it out. Apparently not even the genius Elon could do it, but that was because of “them,” according to you. Whoever “they” are in your argument. Ps, I don’t need AI, I have NI.
Parsad Posted May 12 Posted May 12 5 hours ago, flesh said: Elon could have easily cut 1t from the budget of waste fraud and abuse, they didn't let him. Anyone who doesn't think there's 1t hiding in that 7+ T/year budget is naive. Anyone could easily cut a lot from any budget...but you are going to have to eat the pain and fallout from that. That's why they had to rehire back tens of thousands of people they cut from Air Traffic Control, CDC, even more banal government services like the DMV! And if there was solely fraud and abuse, they would have found it with the 18-year old geniuses he put in place, would they have not? Cheers!
Parsad Posted May 12 Posted May 12 3 hours ago, flesh said: I could write a book on it but you wouldn’t believe. A quick story. I had a job where I spoke with 50/new people a week for the better part of 14 years about their personal finances. Mostly USA, some other English speaking countries. I knew their income, sources, what wealth and where. Debts etc. As an artifact of the marketing process, 10% of them were on disability, ssdi/similar. They “couldn’t work” for various reasons none through any fault of their own naturally. However what I was selling required working 10 hours a week from home minimum. I’ve always been curious and because they were all too broke to buy anyway, I’d ask them how can they work 10 hours a week if they “can’t work”? Miraculously, they rationalized and found a way to convince me they could do it, 95% of the time, “even more” in most cases. some will say this is worse than the super scientific stats paraded around these days. I disagree, 1000’s of them I asked the same thing, most sang the same song. If people heard what I heard, they’d be sick to their stomachs. You wouldn’t believe how many people are “depressed” and can’t work, as if we haven’t known suffering to be the human condition since words were written. The 5% who needed it, truly did. They were broken, like my brother who doesn’t qualify for ssdi because his disease stopped him from working for too long after he’d last worked. Now that won’t change your mind, only you can do that. spend some time with AI asking for more and more evidence of each and every govts programs perversions. What they started out as/intended for vs what they are now, their growth rates in excess of inflation plus population growth. Why it happens, what the trends are now. Do this for hours a day for a month. You will ask the wrong questions often. Eventually reality might smack you upside the head enough. Cheers. Of course there's fraud out there...probably up to 3-5% of every department...but probably not in the scale you are suggesting. They had carte blanche to find it...they found a tiny fraction of what they imagined they would find, and they had unrestricted access to everything! Maybe much of the fraud is in the places they weren't looking...like right in front of their noses! Cheers!
ourkid8 Posted May 12 Posted May 12 2 hours ago, Parsad said: Of course there's fraud out there...probably up to 3-5% of every department...but probably not in the scale you are suggesting. They had carte blanche to find it...they found a tiny fraction of what they imagined they would find, and they had unrestricted access to everything! Maybe much of the fraud is in the places they weren't looking...like right in front of their noses! Cheers! They were barely able to do basic elementary school math to calculate the actual realized savings!
SharperDingaan Posted May 13 Posted May 13 (edited) Fraud comes in many forms, we just choose not to see it. Extortion, via senators withholding votes unless their people receive economic benefits, is systemic fraud; that's every state in the US, all with strong lobby groups, and some worse than others. Black budgets, using 'security' to avoid public scrutiny, is intentional systematic fraud; also a great many states in the US, with even stronger lobby groups. Sure, there are all kinds of petty frauds, but cumulatively ? .... small vs the losses to extortion and black budgets. All about hyping the anti-fraud efforts on the 10% of total fraud, so that the other 90% goes freely Corruption. Opportunity. SD Edited May 13 by SharperDingaan
cwericb Posted May 13 Posted May 13 Interesting how this board has gone nearly silent as Trump starts to show his true colours and tells his cult he really doesn't give a damn about them as he boards his billion dollar plane to fly to meet his great friend Xi in China. The question now is, will he soon be gone with a pardon in his pocket and a bulging bank account at the expense of the American tax payer? Leaving his cult and others with a half billion dollar reno to the white house, a multi million dollar paint job to the Reflecting Pool and a golden arch shrine to himself? Not to mention leaving a horrific and expensive mess in the Middle East that he hopes to repopulate with elegant hotels and probably the occasional Motel 6. And also leaving an America that has snuggled up to Xi, Putin and Kim Jong Un, his "very good friends" - at the expense of virtually all of America's long time friends, trading partners and last but not least, the American tax payer.
cwericb Posted May 13 Posted May 13 21 minutes ago, SharperDingaan said: Fraud comes in many forms, we just choose not to see it. Extortion, via senators withholding votes unless their people receive economic benefits, is systemic fraud; that's every state in the US, all with strong lobby groups, and some worse than others. Black budgets, using 'security' to avoid public scrutiny, is intentional systematic fraud; also a great many states in the US, with even stronger lobby groups. Sure, there are all kinds of petty frauds, but cumulatively ? .... small vs the losses to extortion and black budgets. All about hyping the anti-fraud efforts on the 10% of total fraud, so that the other 90% goes freely Corruption. Opportunity. SD Yup. But don't overlook the health industry which grossly overcharges Americans and does everything in its power to prevent any sort of government health plan. GUYS PLEASE READ THIS, IT COULD SAVE YOUR LIFE. I am a guy that has always done everything possible to avoid doctors, hospitals, etc. However, I was finding that, as they politely say, I had an increasingly "weak stream" when peeing in the toilet and, of course I kept putting off doing anything about it for several months. But, about a year and a half ago I finally went to a doctor told her the problem. She took blood and sent it for a blood test to check my PSA. I was told a PSA of 6-7 was high (?). Mine was 86. Cancer for sure. Since I am in reasonably good shape, my doctors (at least seven have been involved) decided to give me the full treatment including a biopsy, various scans and I forget what all else. With such a high PSA The urologist said he expected to have seen cancer in various organs but was very surprised to find no evidence of the cancer having spread. This happened right before Christmas so treatment was a bit delayed but it began about 3 weeks after the biopsy. Treatment involved twenty-five low dose radiation treatments sandwiched between two high dose radiation (Brachytherapy) treatments administered by a specialist in another province. The total cost to me was Zero. I also have been prescribed shots every three months for two years, 8 shots in total. In the US I believe those shots run $3,000 to $6,000 each. With our health care in Canada including the expense for the nurse who administers these shots cost me $15.94 each which is tax deductible. Bottom line 1) They tell me I now have no cancer and no measurable PSA. 2) Thank heaven Canada has free health care. 3) I believe that The US is the only G7 country without some sort of free health care. 4) Guys, HAVE YOUR PSA CHECKED REGULARLY!!
cubsfan Posted May 13 Posted May 13 1 hour ago, cwericb said: Yup. But don't overlook the health industry which grossly overcharges Americans and does everything in its power to prevent any sort of government health plan. GUYS PLEASE READ THIS, IT COULD SAVE YOUR LIFE. I am a guy that has always done everything possible to avoid doctors, hospitals, etc. However, I was finding that, as they politely say, I had an increasingly "weak stream" when peeing in the toilet and, of course I kept putting off doing anything about it for several months. But, about a year and a half ago I finally went to a doctor told her the problem. She took blood and sent it for a blood test to check my PSA. I was told a PSA of 6-7 was high (?). Mine was 86. Cancer for sure. Since I am in reasonably good shape, my doctors (at least seven have been involved) decided to give me the full treatment including a biopsy, various scans and I forget what all else. With such a high PSA The urologist said he expected to have seen cancer in various organs but was very surprised to find no evidence of the cancer having spread. This happened right before Christmas so treatment was a bit delayed but it began about 3 weeks after the biopsy. Treatment involved twenty-five low dose radiation treatments sandwiched between two high dose radiation (Brachytherapy) treatments administered by a specialist in another province. The total cost to me was Zero. I also have been prescribed shots every three months for two years, 8 shots in total. In the US I believe those shots run $3,000 to $6,000 each. With our health care in Canada including the expense for the nurse who administers these shots cost me $15.94 each which is tax deductible. Bottom line 1) They tell me I now have no cancer and no measurable PSA. 2) Thank heaven Canada has free health care. 3) I believe that The US is the only G7 country without some sort of free health care. 4) Guys, HAVE YOUR PSA CHECKED REGULARLY!! You're a good man CW - and I hope you take very good care of yourself. Sounds like you have excellent doctors.
cwericb Posted May 13 Posted May 13 26 minutes ago, cubsfan said: You're a good man CW - and I hope you take very good care of yourself. Sounds like you have excellent doctors. Thanks Cubs. I hesitated to post this, but then thought it might actually do some good. Look after yourself bud and please heed my advice. Even if you don't have any symptoms, a simple blood test will give you peace of mind or perhaps save your life.
Lazarus Posted May 13 Posted May 13 1 hour ago, cwericb said: I am a guy that has always done everything possible to avoid doctors, hospitals, etc. I'm super happy to hear that you probably caught this in time, CW. But the above sentence is something that is way too common for men and we need to change it. Medical science is the main reason we live longer and healthier lives, but it doesn't help unless we use it. Do yearly checkups, get your blood tested, get all the preventative and diagnostic tests you can. Catching stuff early is key. I also had cancer. I'll tell my story, so you're not alone here. Like you, I rarely went to the doctor, but I was having pain in my back and sides. My doctor minimized it - told me to do more exercise. I worked on my flexibility and strength and came back a few months later. I told my doctor I could deadlift 250 lbs and showed him that I could touch my toes with ease: my strength and flexibility were fine. He again minimized it, telling me that I have a desk job and I should do yoga. I went back the next day and demanded to see a different doctor. This is in Canada, so it's not easy to just 'see a family physician'. But I was adamant, almost making a scene but careful not to get kicked out. They let me see someone else... long story short, I had stage 4 lymphoma, a large tumour near my spleen that was giving me pain, another tumour near my heart, cancer throughout the lymphatic system, and in my bones. If they had caught it when I first went to the doctor, it probably would have been stage 2. It was an extremely aggressive and fast spreading cancer. Ironically, that makes it easier for chemo to kill it (since chemo targets actively growing cells). My oncologist told me that I would either be dead in 6 months or they would be able to get it all. That was 9 years ago, so I'm in the clear. Bottom line: don't take your health for granted, don't ignore pain, go to the doctor for yearly check ups, don't be satisfied with the bare minimum of testing.
cwericb Posted May 13 Posted May 13 13 minutes ago, Lazarus said: I'm super happy to hear that you probably caught this in time, CW. But the above sentence is something that is way too common for men and we need to change it. Medical science is the main reason we live longer and healthier lives, but it doesn't help unless we use it. Do yearly checkups, get your blood tested, get all the preventative and diagnostic tests you can. Catching stuff early is key. I also had cancer. I'll tell my story, so you're not alone here. Like you, I rarely went to the doctor, but I was having pain in my back and sides. My doctor minimized it - told me to do more exercise. I worked on my flexibility and strength and came back a few months later. I told my doctor I could deadlift 250 lbs and showed him that I could touch my toes with ease: my strength and flexibility were fine. He again minimized it, telling me that I have a desk job and I should do yoga. I went back the next day and demanded to see a different doctor. This is in Canada, so it's not easy to just 'see a family physician'. But I was adamant, almost making a scene but careful not to get kicked out. They let me see someone else... long story short, I had stage 4 lymphoma, a large tumour near my spleen that was giving me pain, another tumour near my heart, cancer throughout the lymphatic system, and in my bones. If they had caught it when I first went to the doctor, it probably would have been stage 2. It was an extremely aggressive and fast spreading cancer. Ironically, that makes it easier for chemo to kill it (since chemo targets actively growing cells). My oncologist told me that I would either be dead in 6 months or they would be able to get it all. That was 9 years ago, so I'm in the clear. Bottom line: don't take your health for granted, don't ignore pain, go to the doctor for yearly check ups, don't be satisfied with the bare minimum of testing.
cwericb Posted May 13 Posted May 13 Glad to hear that Lazarus. You know, doctors are just like the rest of us. Some graduated top of their class and some just scraped through - not that either can't produce great doctors.. You kind have to just go with you gut and have the balls to be assertive even though it may not be easy. Congrats on that and being cancer free. I gave thought to starting this discussion as a separate topic, probably should have, but I will leave that up to Sanjeev as to see if he wants to transfer the discussion so to a new topic heading. As a separate discussion topic it could make a valuable contribution to the board. Since the board is more or less anonymous and there are some doctors on here there could be some interesting and informative discussions.
whiskybravo Posted May 13 Posted May 13 (edited) As a retired physician (radiologist) and also someone who went through prostate cancer myself, I appreciate both of you sharing your stories. There’s a lot of value in discussions like this because many people, especially men, delay getting evaluated even when they know something isn’t right. I had a prostatectomy about 8½ years ago. Fortunately, because I kept up with annual checkups and PSA testing, we caught it early after my PSA doubled to 6. I acted quickly and was able to avoid any adjuvant therapy, and I’ve remained cancer free since. Regarding Lazarus’s (btw appropriate name) experience, had he presented in the US with persistent back and flank pain that wasn’t resolving, he would very likely have been imaged earlier. American medicine tends toward more aggressive diagnostic workup. A CT would almost certainly have been ordered, and that tumor near his spleen would not have waited months to be found. Congratulations to both of you on being cancer free. Edited May 13 by whiskybravo
cwericb Posted May 13 Posted May 13 (edited) 1 hour ago, whiskybravo said: As a retired physician (radiologist) and also someone who went through prostate cancer myself, I appreciate both of you sharing your stories. There’s a lot of value in discussions like this because many people, especially men, delay getting evaluated even when they know something isn’t right. I had a prostatectomy about 8½ years ago. Fortunately, because I kept up with annual checkups and PSA testing, we caught it early after my PSA doubled to 6. I acted quickly and was able to avoid any adjuvant therapy, and I’ve remained cancer free since. Regarding Lazarus’s (btw appropriate name) experience, had he presented in the US with persistent back and flank pain that wasn’t resolving, he would very likely have been imaged earlier. American medicine tends toward more aggressive diagnostic workup. A CT would almost certainly have been ordered, and that tumor near his spleen would not have waited months to be found. Congratulations to both of you on being cancer free. Thanks. I was aware you are a doctor WB and was wondering if you might comment (thanks). Surprised to find we have both had prostrate cancer and have recovered. I am an old guy, but when you say your PSA was only 6 and mine was in the mid 80's it kind of puts things in perspective, not much wonder my docs were surprised that it had not spread. Since my experience I have been fairly vocal on the subject with people I know. I guess I really dodged a bullet and urge everyone to get checked. It is so simple. Have a doc, nurse, whoever draw a little blood, it gets sent to a lab, checked for PSA level, and if the level is zero or just a bit higher, you're probably good, if it is elevated you may have a problem that you can probably fix easily and save your life. This test is so SIMPLE, PAINLESS and it can SAVE YOUR LIFE. Here are some stats: on Prostate Cancer........ Lifetime Risk: 1 in 8 men (US/Canada). Incidence: It accounts for roughly 20-23% of all new cancer cases in men. Age Factor: About 6 in 10 cases are diagnosed in men aged 65 or older.** Mortality: Roughly 1 in 44 men will die from the disease. Survival: When caught early, the 5-year survival rate is nearly 100 ** NOTE: That also means that 4 in 10 are younger than 65! Edited May 13 by cwericb
Parsad Posted May 14 Posted May 14 9 hours ago, cwericb said: Yup. But don't overlook the health industry which grossly overcharges Americans and does everything in its power to prevent any sort of government health plan. GUYS PLEASE READ THIS, IT COULD SAVE YOUR LIFE. I am a guy that has always done everything possible to avoid doctors, hospitals, etc. However, I was finding that, as they politely say, I had an increasingly "weak stream" when peeing in the toilet and, of course I kept putting off doing anything about it for several months. But, about a year and a half ago I finally went to a doctor told her the problem. She took blood and sent it for a blood test to check my PSA. I was told a PSA of 6-7 was high (?). Mine was 86. Cancer for sure. Since I am in reasonably good shape, my doctors (at least seven have been involved) decided to give me the full treatment including a biopsy, various scans and I forget what all else. With such a high PSA The urologist said he expected to have seen cancer in various organs but was very surprised to find no evidence of the cancer having spread. This happened right before Christmas so treatment was a bit delayed but it began about 3 weeks after the biopsy. Treatment involved twenty-five low dose radiation treatments sandwiched between two high dose radiation (Brachytherapy) treatments administered by a specialist in another province. The total cost to me was Zero. I also have been prescribed shots every three months for two years, 8 shots in total. In the US I believe those shots run $3,000 to $6,000 each. With our health care in Canada including the expense for the nurse who administers these shots cost me $15.94 each which is tax deductible. Bottom line 1) They tell me I now have no cancer and no measurable PSA. 2) Thank heaven Canada has free health care. 3) I believe that The US is the only G7 country without some sort of free health care. 4) Guys, HAVE YOUR PSA CHECKED REGULARLY!! Glad everything was caught and worked out for you! Canada's health system has its share of problems, but I've been through the wringer twice in Canada in the last 8 years, and even with its problems, we have great doctors, nurses, staff working in a system that broadly works very well and has saved my life twice! They need to allow private healthcare facilities as a release valve for changing demographics, but the public healthcare system works well 90% of the time. I've worked directly and indirectly with the healthcare system in Canada, and like anything, there is always room for improvement. But a good public healthcare system should be a right...not an afterthought like it is for many countries! Cheers!
Parsad Posted May 14 Posted May 14 7 hours ago, Lazarus said: I'm super happy to hear that you probably caught this in time, CW. But the above sentence is something that is way too common for men and we need to change it. Medical science is the main reason we live longer and healthier lives, but it doesn't help unless we use it. Do yearly checkups, get your blood tested, get all the preventative and diagnostic tests you can. Catching stuff early is key. I also had cancer. I'll tell my story, so you're not alone here. Like you, I rarely went to the doctor, but I was having pain in my back and sides. My doctor minimized it - told me to do more exercise. I worked on my flexibility and strength and came back a few months later. I told my doctor I could deadlift 250 lbs and showed him that I could touch my toes with ease: my strength and flexibility were fine. He again minimized it, telling me that I have a desk job and I should do yoga. I went back the next day and demanded to see a different doctor. This is in Canada, so it's not easy to just 'see a family physician'. But I was adamant, almost making a scene but careful not to get kicked out. They let me see someone else... long story short, I had stage 4 lymphoma, a large tumour near my spleen that was giving me pain, another tumour near my heart, cancer throughout the lymphatic system, and in my bones. If they had caught it when I first went to the doctor, it probably would have been stage 2. It was an extremely aggressive and fast spreading cancer. Ironically, that makes it easier for chemo to kill it (since chemo targets actively growing cells). My oncologist told me that I would either be dead in 6 months or they would be able to get it all. That was 9 years ago, so I'm in the clear. Bottom line: don't take your health for granted, don't ignore pain, go to the doctor for yearly check ups, don't be satisfied with the bare minimum of testing. Very fortunate Lazarus...happy for you that you have been in 9 years of remission! Cheers!
lnofeisone Posted May 14 Posted May 14 On 5/12/2026 at 11:26 AM, flesh said: Elon could have easily cut 1t from the budget of waste fraud and abuse, they didn't let him. Anyone who doesn't think there's 1t hiding in that 7+ T/year budget is naive. "They didn't let him?" Whaaaaaat? Lol you are joking right? Not only did he fail to cut, he has increased cost. Fired a bunch of qualified people, and now gov't cant hire fast enough. Don't belive me? Just look up your favorite agency and youtube "agency recruitment video." Elon experiment was a joke.
lnofeisone Posted May 14 Posted May 14 On 5/12/2026 at 1:58 PM, rogermunibond said: SSDI spend is $128 billion for 2025. Divide that by 45,000 disability benefit and you get maybe 2.85 million on SSDI. Less than 1% of the population. How long would it take to re-validate that SSDI spend? Lets revalidate your numbers first. Where did you get 45k disability benefit from? Average monthly is something like 1.7k/month.
LC Posted May 14 Posted May 14 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/vance-announces-suspension-medicaid-payments-california-fraud-rcna344988 Trump didn't even have the guts to make the announcement himself.
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