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[Parsad]

23 minutes ago, ourkid8 said:

Like I said, almost checkmate. One country will be coming out of this war significantly stronger whereas the other two in a significantly weaker position. 

 

It was always about the nukes...so not sure how it is checkmate. 

 

If there is no control of the nukes, you will be correct.  If there is control of the nukes, then you will be incorrect. 

 

No one wanted to destroy Iran...only to get the nukes under control under the Regime and get them to stop funding terrorism.  If both objectives are achieved, then I'm not sure how you would be able to support your position.  Cheers!

[Parsad]

21 minutes ago, changegonnacome said:

 

The point IMO - was that Mossad told the US the Iranian regime was teetering on the brink of collapse and all they needed was a nudge. The US provided that nudge in the hope of regime change. It didn't work out (clearly). What I will say is that if Trump was presented with that information, found it credible and his own intelligence backed it up and If that all comes out to be the case . I back Trump on the decision - what he did was worth a shot. The R/R on quick bombing campaign to overthrow the Islamic revolution was worth a shot  - it would have been an amazing gift to the world and the Iranian people. When that didn't happen the R/R inverted and he was right to be prowling around for an off ramp since then.

 

Yup, you are correct here.  Cheers!

[Spekulatius]

My guess is that Oman is in this toll agreement as a face saver so the other side can say Iran is not the sole beneficiary. I doubt that they will collect much if any tolls for themselves. The toll money will go to the Iranians.

[Parsad]

18 minutes ago, ICUMD said:

Seems like an intermission. 

 

Trump needs to win midterms. 

The 1 day war gamble didn't pay off. 

 

Israel still has expansionist plans.

 

Everyone's chips are on the table.

Trumps anhilistic aspirations and possibly nuclear options didn't sit well with many Americans nor Iran.  

 

Iran now has more reason than ever to develop a nuclear weapon,  if only to repel future attacks.  

 

Nuclear powers don't get attacked. 

 

 

US wasn't going to use nukes!  They could blow up everything with their B-2 bombers and missiles...only a moron would even consider nukes. 

 

Iran was pretty much disabled for the most part and fighting with spare parts.  It would have meant huge civilian casualties as they started using human shields around military infrastructure.  Cheers!

[changegonnacome]

6 minutes ago, Spekulatius said:

My guess is that Oman is in this toll agreement as a face saver

 

They need to stop calling it a toll for starters, it's too in your face!........call it the "SOH Convenience Fee" for gods sake

Edited April 8 by changegonnacome

[Spekulatius]

24 minutes ago, changegonnacome said:

 

The point IMO - was that Mossad told the US the Iranian regime was teetering on the brink of collapse and all they needed was a nudge. The US provided that nudge in the hope of regime change. It didn't work out (clearly). What I will say is that if Trump was presented with that information, found it credible and his own intelligence backed it up and If that all comes out to be the case . I back Trump on the decision - what he did was worth a shot. The R/R on quick bombing campaign to overthrow the Islamic revolution was worth a shot  - it would have been an amazing gift to the world and the Iranian people. When that didn't happen the R/R inverted and he was right to be prowling around for an off ramp since then.

The problem with intelligence from Israel is that the info Trump gets is massaged to get him to do what Bibi wants. Israel obviously has excellent intelligence but what gets distributed is info to achieve Israel’s political goals.

 

Trump is gullible to manipulation as he repeatedly ignored our own intelligence and one time stated he believes Putin more so than our own sources.

[Parsad]

Just now, changegonnacome said:

 

They need to stop calling it a toll for starters too in your face........call it the "SOH Convenience Fee"

 

Trump is taking a cut through his new product "The SOH Epic Fury Token"!

 

Get your oil through the Strait with the newest Trump token...free Trump Leather Bible and new Trump Halal Koran included!  All made in Chy-NAH!!

 

Cheers!

[Castanza]

21 minutes ago, ICUMD said:

Iran now has more reason than ever to develop a nuclear weapon,  if only to repel future attacks.  

 

Nuclear powers don't get attacked. 

Desire and ability are two vastly different things. This is a spun narrative being pushed by a few talking heads; but it completely ignores the reality of the situation and what occurred. Iran remains in the hot seat. They’re going to end up getting the post WWII Japan treatment. 
 

 

[ourkid8]

14 minutes ago, Parsad said:

 

It was always about the nukes...so not sure how it is checkmate. 

 

If there is no control of the nukes, you will be correct.  If there is control of the nukes, then you will be incorrect. 

 

No one wanted to destroy Iran...only to get the nukes under control under the Regime and get them to stop funding terrorism.  If both objectives are achieved, then I'm not sure how you would be able to support your position.  Cheers!

 

Remember we heard this story before, Iraq supposedly had weapons of mass destruction. 

The night before the war, Iran AGREED to give up their nuclear material. It was never about nukes  if it was, this war would never have started because leadership at the time was against any nuclear weapons. 
 

Now on the other hand with new leadership, I can promise you Iran will race to build a nuclear program. This has been an absolute epic failure for US/Israel as they both accomplished nothing. 

Edited April 8 by ourkid8

[Spekulatius]

Just now, Parsad said:

 

Trump is taking a cut through his new product "The SOH Epic Fury Token"!

 

Get your oil through the Strait with the newest Trump token...free Trump Leather Bible and new Trump Halal Koran included!  All made in Chy-NAH!!

 

Cheers!

What Iran charges is probably less than what Trump would have charged from his allies. I bet the Iranians never read the “Article of Deal”.

 

[changegonnacome]

5 minutes ago, Spekulatius said:

The problem with intelligence from Israel is that the info Trump gets is massaged to get him to do what Bibi wants.

 

100% and I went out of my way to say the decision to green light the operation being a good one is dependent on the fact coming out that at least US intelligence backed up that regime fragility assessment that Mossad was selling.....without that or with US intelligence contradicting Mossad I agree Trump potentially got duped by Bibi painting visions of ticker tape parades and multiple nobel peace prizes!

[dwy000]

14 minutes ago, Castanza said:

Desire and ability are two vastly different things. This is a spun narrative being pushed by a few talking heads; but it completely ignores the reality of the situation and what occurred. Iran remains in the hot seat. They’re going to end up getting the post WWII Japan treatment. 
 

 

What Iran really wants is to remove the sanctions.  I think they'd be willing to give whatever assurances are required on nuclear ambitions in order to get full sanction relief (well, at least they might have been a couple of months ago).

 

The problem now is that Trump has continually shown that he will throw any "agreement" in the garbage if someone says something he doesn't like.  So how do you get a long term, lasting peace based on that?  

[ourkid8]

14 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

What Iran really wants is to remove the sanctions.  I think they'd be willing to give whatever assurances are required on nuclear ambitions in order to get full sanction relief (well, at least they might have been a couple of months ago).

 

The problem now is that Trump has continually shown that he will throw any "agreement" in the garbage if someone says something he doesn't like.  So how do you get a long term, lasting peace based on that?  

China guaranteed Iran that US will accept numerous conditions in their 10 point plan.  
 

If you guys didn’t notice, as a gesture of trust as Iran doesn’t trust / speak with US- china vetoed a UN security resolution on the straight of Hormuz earlier today.   
 

I am surprised none of you guys noticed the news!  - it seems everyone here is full on Zionist agenda! 
 

https://apnews.com/article/un-iran-us-strait-hormuz-bahrain-resolution-640e644b57df5c762ed9c57ef87b0427

 

 

Edited April 8 by ourkid8

[Viking]

Well, if shipping is able to get back to normal in the Straight of Hormuz in the coming days and weeks that will be very good news for the global economy. 
 

Here is the really interesting part: both sides are 100% convinced they have won! Has that ever happened in a war of this size and magnitude before? Now that is a real mind bender. 
 

It will be very interesting to see how the next two weeks play out. 
 

For the other perspective (in terms of what was agreed to to get the cease fire), below is what Iran is saying:
 

Edited April 8 by Viking

[dwy000]

29 minutes ago, ourkid8 said:

China guaranteed Iran that US will accept numerous conditions in their 10 point plan.  
 

If you guys didn’t notice, as a gesture of trust as Iran doesn’t trust / speak with US- china vetoed a UN security resolution on the straight of Hormuz earlier today.   
 

I am surprised none of you guys noticed the news!  - it seems everyone here is full on Zionist agenda! 
 

https://apnews.com/article/un-iran-us-strait-hormuz-bahrain-resolution-640e644b57df5c762ed9c57ef87b0427

 

 

Oh come on. How can China guarantee items that they aren't even a party too.  And then throwing everyone into the zionist box??  Get real. 

[Gregmal]

It’s clear that what happened was that Israel gave the US some “intel”. Trump thought it could payoff, like a big bully with more muscle and more money, they stormed into Iran, killed most of their figureheads, blew up a ton of shit, and….that seems about it. 
 

We don’t care what the libtards have to say; fuck them cuz they’re always rooting against America anyway. 

But the “Iran victory” claims are quite alarming…how exactly is Iran better off today than a couple months ago? Their leaders are anonymous except for a guy who hasn’t even been seen in a month and may not even be awake…their “house” basically looks like Donkey Kong went thru it, smashed up a bunch of shit, and left. Yes, Trump at times behaves like a dumb ape. Maybe the libs will say that’s racist? They love freaking out about stuff like that…or maybe it only applies to calling democrats apes? Idk. But donkey Kong Trump went thru Iran, wasted a bunch of money, fucked shit up…and probably now leaves.
 

General rule of thumb, there’s no winners in a war. But I still need some actual real names of folks in Iran who had anything to do with “winning” besides ...hiding out in bunkers…did the one plane they downed have a 3000x point multiplier on it? Frankly, idk…

[dwy000]

19 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

It’s clear that what happened was that Israel gave the US some “intel”. Trump thought it could payoff, like a big bully with more muscle and more money, they stormed into Iran, killed most of their figureheads, blew up a ton of shit, and….that seems about it. 
 

We don’t care what the libtards have to say; fuck them cuz they’re always rooting against America anyway. 

But the “Iran victory” claims are quite alarming…how exactly is Iran better off today than a couple months ago? Their leaders are anonymous except for a guy who hasn’t even been seen in a month and may not even be awake…their “house” basically looks like Donkey Kong went thru it, smashed up a bunch of shit, and left. Yes, Trump at times behaves like a dumb ape. Maybe the libs will say that’s racist? They love freaking out about stuff like that…or maybe it only applies to calling democrats apes? Idk. But donkey Kong Trump went thru Iran, wasted a bunch of money, fucked shit up…and probably now leaves.
 

General rule of thumb, there’s no winners in a war. But I still need some actual real names of folks in Iran who had anything to do with “winning” besides ...hiding out in bunkers…did the one plane they downed have a 3000x point multiplier on it? Frankly, idk…

The win for Iran is not losing.  They stood their ground against the US and Israel and,.while they took their lumps, the other side blinked first.  They know that the regime is safe from attack.  They know the US doesn't have appetite to put boots on ground unless they are directly at risk and they know how much power they have thru control of the SOH.   They have a lot more rubble than they did a month ago but they know exactly where they stand. 

[LC]

Idk, Iran took a brunt of US assault and managed to hold onto control of the SOH and their nuclear enrichment? 

 

If I;m playing devils advocate, the fact that Trump is publicizing a deal vs. going for the full enchilada is a little surprising. If I'm going to war, I'm playing for keeps...and Trump probably moreso I'd imagine. Has he ever backed down when he has an advantage? 

 

I've pretty much ignored the news cycle for the past few months (ski season if you can call it that) and my 30k ft sense is most of the US has a big "WTF" expression on their face in terms of getting into this war and how it progressed to date.

 

So certainly not calling a win for Iran but idk if it's exactly a convincing win for us either. 

Then again knowing Trump, I'm sure some of his cronies made out like bandits.

[Viking]

Looks like a lot of wood left to chop... The fact that the two sides have reached a ceasefire, will be negotiating shortly and the straight is opening is very positive. 

 

Edited April 8 by Viking

[frommi]

I doubt Israel and USA will accept point 2 and 7 for more than 10 days, so this war will just continue in 2 weeks.

[ourkid8]

1 hour ago, dwy000 said:

Oh come on. How can China guarantee items that they aren't even a party too.  And then throwing everyone into the zionist box??  Get real. 

Watch  - name one thing I have said that has not played out! 
 

Trump was looking for an off-ramp and since Iran spoiled his plans this past weekend to take the nuclear material, Trump was in a box and had no choice but to accept Irans terms. (US failed miserably in their ground invasion) China is guaranteeing it since Iran will not negotiate with terrorists (US/Israel) and it’s in their interest to let oil start to flow.  

 

Everything everyone in this chat was pure Zionist propaganda . Viking and myself were the only ones who were thinking outside that propaganda. - it’s sad, as value investors we are taught to look deeper yet most people do not have that ability and follow blindly the crowd. 

Edited April 8 by ourkid8

[dwy000]

8 minutes ago, ourkid8 said:

Watch  - name one thing I have said that has not played out! 
 

Trump was looking for an off-ramp and since Iran spoiled his plans this past weekend to take the nuclear material, Trump was in a box and had no choice but to accept Irans terms. - china is guaranteeing it since Iran will not negotiate with terrorists (US/Israel) 

 

Everything everyone in this chat had said about the war was pure Zionist propaganda . Viking and myself were the only ones who were thinking outside that propaganda. - it’s sad, as value investors we are taught to look deeper yet most people do not have that ability! 

Ridiculous.  Most people on here are Americans and Canadians (with a few europeans) who's views having nothing to do with zionism and everything to do with the impact on our national economy, the global economy and (on this thread) political beliefs.  You (and maybe reds) are the only ones making this about zionism - and the fact you feel the need to bring it into almost every post is pretty telling about your inability to remove it from your thinking. 

Edited April 8 by dwy000

[ourkid8]

1 hour ago, Viking said:

Looks like a lot of wood left to chop... The fact that the two sides have reached a ceasefire, will be negotiating shortly and the straight is opening is very positive. 

 

The SoH is opening but not for everyone - this will NOT be like pre-war times.
 

We have to see if Iran will allow US/Israel or their ally ships to pass. My strong suspicion is they will get access denied! 

[Parsad]

3 hours ago, Castanza said:

Desire and ability are two vastly different things. This is a spun narrative being pushed by a few talking heads; but it completely ignores the reality of the situation and what occurred. Iran remains in the hot seat. They’re going to end up getting the post WWII Japan treatment. 
 

 

 

Yup!  And actually that would be in the best interest of the Iranian people going forward.  A peace-loving country interested in economic growth and prosperity for its citizens, instead of a country controlled by a regime intent on destructive behavior.  Cheers!

[ourkid8]

1 minute ago, dwy000 said:

Ridiculous.  Most people on here are Americans and Canadians (with a few europeans) who's views having nothing to do with zionism and everything to do with the impact on our national economy, the global economy and (on this thread) political beliefs.  You (and maybe reds) are the only ones making this about zionism.  

 

Let's be direct: Zionists bear significant responsibility for dragging the United States into this regional mess. They expected American involvement and resources but showed no willingness to commit their own ground forces in a full invasion.

 

As Americans, this should concern you. Nations and peoples throughout history have sacrificed enormously to protect their sovereignty—yet here, substantial U.S. blood, treasure, and strategic focus have been expended in defense of Israeli interests. Israel functions as a heavily subsidized forward base and partner in the Middle East, not an equal ally obligated to mirror U.S. sacrifices. Policy should reflect that reality: conditional support based strictly on American interests, not unconditional backing.