Gregmal Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 What is interesting is that supposedly the Moderna vaccine was developed within 48 hours of getting the sequence, back in JANUARY! This aligns with the idea that China and others also had a vaccine quite early. So it really is true when people foot the blame on government and regulation/bureaucrats. We had the answer before a single person died of this...yet nothing was done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 What is interesting is that supposedly the Moderna vaccine was developed within 48 hours of getting the sequence, back in JANUARY! This aligns with the idea that China and others also had a vaccine quite early. So it really is true when people foot the blame on government and regulation/bureaucrats. We had the answer before a single person died of this...yet nothing was done. That's wild. Where did you get that information? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregmal Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 What is interesting is that supposedly the Moderna vaccine was developed within 48 hours of getting the sequence, back in JANUARY! This aligns with the idea that China and others also had a vaccine quite early. So it really is true when people foot the blame on government and regulation/bureaucrats. We had the answer before a single person died of this...yet nothing was done. That's wild. Where did you get that information? https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/360574 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Investor20 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Chicago vaccination data by age: Lot more below 40 years are vaccinated than above 60! https://data.cityofchicago.org/Health-Human-Services/COVID-19-Vaccine-Doses-by-Age-Group-1st-Dose/7rmz-icie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cigarbutt Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Chicago vaccination data by age: Lot more below 40 years are vaccinated than above 60! https://data.cityofchicago.org/Health-Human-Services/COVID-19-Vaccine-Doses-by-Age-Group-1st-Dose/7rmz-icie The distribution plan in IL and Chicago is similar to what is being done elsewhere. For the initial week, "they" chose to prioritize regional "hub" hospitals where prevalence has been high (the candidates there include frontline healthcare workers). Early distribution plans also include nursing homes (residents and at-risk staff) and first-line responders. Over time, it can be assumed that the age profile will skew higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Investor20 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Chicago vaccination data by age: Lot more below 40 years are vaccinated than above 60! https://data.cityofchicago.org/Health-Human-Services/COVID-19-Vaccine-Doses-by-Age-Group-1st-Dose/7rmz-icie The distribution plan in IL and Chicago is similar to what is being done elsewhere. For the initial week, "they" chose to prioritize regional "hub" hospitals where prevalence has been high (the candidates there include frontline healthcare workers). Early distribution plans also include nursing homes (residents and at-risk staff) and first-line responders. Over time, it can be assumed that the age profile will skew higher. PLease see 12/30 data. It is difficult to explain just by health care workers with this data. There are more 18-29 than 50+. I suppose many employees in hospital are above 50+ and not many below 29. Date 12/30/2020 Age 18-29 807 Age 30-39 818 Age 40-49 496 Age 50-59 431 Age 60-69 253 Age 70-79 51 Age 80+ 2 431+253+51+2= 737 (50+ years) Not that many Nursing homes - I took 80+ as nursing home: Date Age 80+ 12/15/2020 0 12/16/2020 0 12/17/2020 3 12/18/2020 5 12/19/2020 2 12/20/2020 1 12/21/2020 5 12/22/2020 10 12/23/2020 5 12/24/2020 6 12/25/2020 0 12/26/2020 0 12/27/2020 0 12/28/2020 2 12/29/2020 27 12/30/2020 2 Total 68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spekulatius Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Chicago vaccination data by age: Lot more below 40 years are vaccinated than above 60! https://data.cityofchicago.org/Health-Human-Services/COVID-19-Vaccine-Doses-by-Age-Group-1st-Dose/7rmz-icie The distribution plan in IL and Chicago is similar to what is being done elsewhere. For the initial week, "they" chose to prioritize regional "hub" hospitals where prevalence has been high (the candidates there include frontline healthcare workers). Early distribution plans also include nursing homes (residents and at-risk staff) and first-line responders. Over time, it can be assumed that the age profile will skew higher. Same here. Frontline workers first without age consideration. Ungerechtigkeit muss sein, sonst kommt man zu keinem Ende. Karl Krauss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cigarbutt Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 ^The logistics are being defined as 'we' go and there could be many explanations for the developing age distribution. The average age of healthcare workers is about 40 and about a third are 50+, at large. Anecdotal experience suggests that frontline workers in "busy" areas tend to be younger. It seems also the age profile has gotten younger during the pandemic in "hot" areas due to turnover according to risk factors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardGibbons Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 This is new to me, and bad. https://www.yahoo.com/news/covid-wards-full-children-first-145710680.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 January and February should see lots of new news regarding the vaccines. Hopefully we get good news from J&J and their trial. For those vaccines who are approved the question is how much can be produced and how fast. We should see lots of upwards revisions to supply numbers as highly motivated governments move to support incremental production. The latest example is Europe and BioNTech. Very encouraging. —————————— BioNTech founders warn of COVID-19 vaccine supply gaps - https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/international-business/article-biontech-founders-warn-of-covid-19-vaccine-supply-gaps/ The United States ordered 600 million doses of the BioNTech/Pfizer shot in July, while the EU waited until November to place an order half that size. After publication of the interview, BioNTech said it was in talks with Brussels on boosting output “We are in productive discussions with the European Commission on how to make more of our vaccine in Europe, for Europe,” a spokeswoman said. NEW PRODUCTION BioNTech hopes to launch a new production line in Marburg, Germany, ahead of schedule in February, with the potential to produce 250 million doses in the first half of 2021, said Sahin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/12/virus-mutation-catastrophe/617531/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Investor20 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/ivermectin-tests-show-cheap-drug-may-reduce-covid-19-death-toll-zb27lx8wt https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3122335/ What is the risk benefit for a drug that is used as given in above article "Ivermectin mass drug administration (MDA) to humans is used to control onchocerciasis and lymphatic filariasis. Recent field studies have shown an added killing effect of ivermectin MDA against malaria vectors." And costs few dollars a tablet. Yes large studies and more studies are welcome but that takes time but right now: https://nypost.com/2021/01/03/califonia-funeral-homes-fill-up-as-covid-19-surges/ California funeral homes run out of space as COVID-19 rages Only for discussion. Not suggesting any treatment. Please consult your physician for any treatment. Particularly medicines have contraindications and only your doctor can determine that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spekulatius Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Our town made news today, for all the wrong reasons: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/massachusetts-high-school-halts-person-classes-after-teens-attend-new-n1252857 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 https://www.axios.com/biden-release-coronavirus-vaccine-8b1b0dda-edd2-4739-917f-cf815ae165ff.html "President-elect Joe Biden plans to release all available coronavirus vaccine doses when he takes office" Leadership, finally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Investor20 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcript-mayor-eric-garcetti-on-face-the-nation-january-3-2021/ Transcript: Mayor Eric Garcetti on "Face the Nation," January 3, 2021 MAYOR GARCETTI: No. We have great compliance. We look at our data. People are moving less. I was talking to the head of the Red Cross out here who just moved from another state. She was blown away by how many people wear masks compared to where she was coming from. This is something now that really is spreading in the home. And once you get past that tipping point, and it's a message for all of America, we might not all have the same density as Los Angeles. But what's happening in Los Angeles can and will be coming to many communities across America. If you get two households together for Christmas, if you went to a New Year's gathering- even if it was people you know and love so you thought it was OK. That's when this virus exploits that weakness and is going far. L.A. was the first place to close places down that- where people meet, have a mask mandate, offer widespread testing to folks with or without symptoms, surge into our senior and skilled nursing facilities-- MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah. MAYOR GARCETTI: --where we arrested most of the deaths there. We've done everything right. But this virus doesn't care what you've done in the past, only what you're doing today. ............................................. I hope there was a follow up question on what he means by "We've done everything right" considering: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/care-now-has-to-be-rationed-los-angeles-covid-19-spike-is-crushing-hospitals/ar-BB1cuRgj Care now has to be rationed': Los Angeles COVID-19 spike is crushing hospitals https://deadline.com/2021/01/los-angeles-covid-19-records-1000-deaths-in-6-days-1234665299/ Los Angeles Covid-19 Update: County Records 1,000 Deaths In Just 6 Days; Virus Now Claiming More Lives Daily Than All Other Causes Combined Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregmal Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 California has been the most abusive and restrictive and yet leads the way in terms of being a total disaster from top to bottom. At least Nancy can get her hair done and Mr. Newsome and pals can do their fundraisers. The 49ers however, can not even play in an empty stadium. Common folks...stay at home chumps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 If backed up by science, this could be another game changer :-) Moderna CEO says COVID-19 vaccine protection may last years - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-last-years-moderna-ceo/ Moderna's CEO said the company's new COVID-19 vaccine may prevent infection for years. While speaking at a virtual event by Oddo BHF, a financial service group, Moderna CEO Stephane Bancel said the once-believed "nightmare scenario" that the vaccine won't work is now out the window. "We believe there will be protection potentially for a couple of years He explained that the "antibody decay generated by the vaccine in humans goes down very slowly," Reuters reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregmal Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 CDC now saying we could see a huge covid surge as a result fo the "riots". After nearly a year of hearing how "riots" were not believed to be causing any spread....what will they come up with next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spekulatius Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 CDC now saying we could see a huge covid surge as a result fo the "riots". After nearly a year of hearing how "riots" were not believed to be causing any spread....what will they come up with next? I don’t think a few thousand people at riots mostly outdoors are going to do much a difference. What does a difference is what is going in people homes firmest (family/household mixing). We are seeing now the fallout from the Christmas and New Years parties which hopefully will wear off in a few weeks. Same story in other countries as well. The most important thing the administration can do is getting the vaccine rolled out as quickly as possible. There should be no amount of $ and effort spared to get it done. Even if it costs $1000 to get one person vaccinated, that would be only $340B for the entire US population, not much compared to the $900B aid packages. Foremost the vaccination directly fight the root cause, the aid packages just the symptoms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregmal Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 I agree, but dont get your hopes up. POTUS is obviously busy with other things, as is Congress. After all, they all got their shots already. Jokes on the average Joe, as it always is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Investor20 Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 https://trialsitenews.com/an-unlikely-nation-is-kicking-this-pandemic-guess-which-then-why/ An Unlikely Nation Is Kicking This Pandemic. Guess Which. Then Why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cigarbutt Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Ramping up has been difficult and there's more to come but there are many reasons to be optimistic about the vaccines. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-best-evidence-for-how-to-overcome-covid-vaccine-fears1/ https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/poll-finding/vaccine-hesitancy-in-rural-america/ TL;DR version: There are hard-liners but there is a lot of simple hesitancy. This may be overcome with local leaders (as simple as having a nurse in the family) and by avoiding unnecessary confrontation. i think an effective vaccine rollout will help business at gyms and the related alternative supplements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattee2264 Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 I think the easiest way to encourage vaccinations is to provide checks to people who get their vaccinations done. At least that will ensure there is an economic benefit to further rounds of handouts in terms of getting us quicker back to normal. Probably not particularly correct. But at least it will allow people to see the "What's in it for me?" and it compensates them partly for any risks they think they are running. Basically the same principle of paying college kids to do experimental drug trials. On a related point. What do people make of all the mutant variants? As well as the UK and South African ones another one has been identified in Japan. And they all seem to be more contagious prompting a tightening of restrictions. And we could be in for a good few months before the vaccinations and warmer weather start to turn the tide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregmal Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Interesting is that we have no problem accepting rolling out mail in voting ballots. You get a slip in the mail, bring it to your local polling station, cast your vote, and get your sticker. Meanwhile, for a vaccine, which should be the same exact process; IE here's your vaccine slip, bring it to the said location, exchange it for a shot and a stimulus check voucher....Nah, direct everyone to the outdated government websites that crash and lock people out when volume spikes 30% or more...then wonder why no one is getting vaccinated and places are throwing out vials because of the mishandling and lack of timely administration...total fucking idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 https://trialsitenews.com/an-unlikely-nation-is-kicking-this-pandemic-guess-which-then-why/ An Unlikely Nation Is Kicking This Pandemic. Guess Which. Then Why. I saw the stats for India and wondered why they were such an outlier (in a good way). The article suggests there could be very good news coming on the treatment front (separate from the vaccine front). Encouraging as it allows us to tackle the virus on multiple fronts. Still so much we do not understand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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