Spekulatius Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 When you try to capture the upside in reopening: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1249712404260421633 But remember, it was the states’ responsibility to get masks and ventilators. Will be up to real leaders w boots on the ground (e.g. Cuomo, not this guy) on how we reopen. He can’t open up the US because he never closed it in the first place. It’s funny how this works. I do think come May many states will gradually reopen.
LongHaul Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 Oh Trump is going to reopen. Wheww because I was worried about a pandemic. As long as he is in charge and I can clearly trust him because I know he has no blindspots or bias' or ideologies or a big ego that would totally turn his brain into cabbage... - I am being massively sarcastic - :) The pandemic is keeping people inside and will continue to do so. Not a government leader. How many are normalizing to this and getting numb to it? "Even if restrictions were eased by mid-April, 61% of Americans would still stay at home when possible — while only 19% said they’d go back to their regular life." https://nypost.com/2020/04/04/most-americans-will-stay-home-this-month-even-if-lockdown-lifted-poll/
Guest cherzeca Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 http://scottgrannis.blogspot.com/2020/04/the-crisis-is-over-but-at-terrible-cost.html
Spekulatius Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 This gets better and better. Navarro who felt qualified to contradict Fauci, because has a PhD in “Social studies” has his degree from the defunct “Trump University”. https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/peter-navarros-phd-revealed-to-be-from-trump-university?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=onsite-share&utm_brand=the-new-yorker&utm_social-type=earned To earn his Ph.D., Navarro wrote a doctoral dissertation entitled “Donald J. Trump: Genius or Savior?” LOL
Gregmal Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 This gets better and better. Navarro who felt qualified to contradict Fauci, because has a PhD in “Social studies” has his degree from the defunct “Trump University”. https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/peter-navarros-phd-revealed-to-be-from-trump-university?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=onsite-share&utm_brand=the-new-yorker&utm_social-type=earned To earn his Ph.D., Navarro wrote a doctoral dissertation entitled “Donald J. Trump: Genius or Savior?” LOL I know you guys hate him, but this is satire you realize, right?
minten Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 "Whoa! 29/210 (13.7%) of asymptomatic women admitted for delivery tested positive for the #coronavirus in NYC (3/29 developed fever later) https://nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2009316"
LC Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 This gets better and better. Navarro who felt qualified to contradict Fauci, because has a PhD in “Social studies” has his degree from the defunct “Trump University”. https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/peter-navarros-phd-revealed-to-be-from-trump-university?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=onsite-share&utm_brand=the-new-yorker&utm_social-type=earned To earn his Ph.D., Navarro wrote a doctoral dissertation entitled “Donald J. Trump: Genius or Savior?” LOL I know you guys hate him, but this is satire you realize, right? The worst part is that it's becoming harder and harder to tell ;D
cwericb Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 The present administration is an elaborate satire.
minten Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 "Whoa! 29/210 (13.7%) of asymptomatic women admitted for delivery tested positive for the #coronavirus in NYC (3/29 developed fever later) https://nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2009316" Can anyone think of any reason why late-pregnant women would be more exposed to COVID than the average NY-er (frequent hospital visits maybe)? 13.7% of an asymptomatic subgroup is (obviously) really, really high.
Spekulatius Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 This gets better and better. Navarro who felt qualified to contradict Fauci, because has a PhD in “Social studies” has his degree from the defunct “Trump University”. https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/peter-navarros-phd-revealed-to-be-from-trump-university?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=onsite-share&utm_brand=the-new-yorker&utm_social-type=earned To earn his Ph.D., Navarro wrote a doctoral dissertation entitled “Donald J. Trump: Genius or Savior?” LOL I know you guys hate him, but this is satire you realize, right? The worst part is that it's becoming harder and harder to tell ;D Exactly. Should move this in the jokes section.
Guest cherzeca Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 "13.7% of an asymptomatic subgroup is (obviously) really, really high." is it? who knows?
Cigarbutt Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 "Whoa! 29/210 (13.7%) of asymptomatic women admitted for delivery tested positive for the #coronavirus in NYC (3/29 developed fever later) https://nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2009316" Can anyone think of any reason why late-pregnant women would be more exposed to COVID than the average NY-er (frequent hospital visits maybe)? 13.7% of an asymptomatic subgroup is (obviously) really, really high. 1st question: What is the avg NY-er's %? Possibilities: -This may be a representative sub-population -End of term women often go to medical clinics, hospitals etc (exposure out of home, during transportation and at medical sites) -The immunity during pregnancy changes (only partially understood) but the idea is not to reject the uterine-contained allograft :) so there is an element of immuno-suppression Based on some of your previous posts, you may be interested in the following: In the Italian areas qualified as hot spots, trauma units typically see a 50% decline of trauma visits, with the lower energy traumas especially less frequent. However, in people coming in with low energy traumas, COVID-19 antigen tests are done and prevalence numbers come below and above what's mentioned for pregnant women in NY (careful:anecdotal).
Spekulatius Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 "13.7% of an asymptomatic subgroup is (obviously) really, really high." is it? who knows? Perhaps more doctor visits, checkups?
Guest cherzeca Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 "13.7% of an asymptomatic subgroup is (obviously) really, really high." is it? who knows? Perhaps more doctor visits, checkups? until there is widespread serum antibody testing, I just dont think we know whether this is high or low
Gregmal Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 https://medium.com/@tepper_jonathan/ground-zero-when-the-cure-is-worse-than-the-disease-3c513d91393d "The policies responses in most countries are not targeted, fail to tackle the source of the crisis and will do little to contain future outbreaks. Millions of workers are paying for this calamitous misunderstanding with their livelihoods."
CorpRaider Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 I don't think there will be a "reopening" despite what investors on the spectrum or psychopathic politicians say until there's a good, fast antibody test at scale and/or a vaccine. Like Gates said, it's totally unrealistic to say "go shop, ignore that pile of bodies in the corner."
RichardGibbons Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 https://medium.com/@tepper_jonathan/ground-zero-when-the-cure-is-worse-than-the-disease-3c513d91393d It's an interesting article, making a pretty compelling case for reopening the world except for large gatherings. I'm curious what an epidemiologist would think of it.
ERICOPOLY Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 https://medium.com/@tepper_jonathan/ground-zero-when-the-cure-is-worse-than-the-disease-3c513d91393d 10. Everyone is a potential vector for the disease but the young will barely be affected. Children should not be locked up when they are essentially protected from almost any symptoms of the disease. The sooner they get the virus, the sooner they can develop immunity. In other words, the sooner my kids get it, the sooner I will get it, and my wife, and her coworkers, and their spouses and spouse's coworkers, etc... etc... Children don't live at home alone, what is this author dreaming about?
Spekulatius Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 https://medium.com/@tepper_jonathan/ground-zero-when-the-cure-is-worse-than-the-disease-3c513d91393d 10. Everyone is a potential vector for the disease but the young will barely be affected. Children should not be locked up when they are essentially protected from almost any symptoms of the disease. The sooner they get the virus, the sooner they can develop immunity. In other words, the sooner my kids get it, the sooner I will get it, and my wife, and her coworkers, and their spouses and spouse's coworkers, etc... etc... Children don't live at home alone, what is this author dreaming about? He is also wrong on hospitals not separating COVID from regular patients and likely many other details. Too many hobby doctors and epidemiologists now growing out of the woodwork. (Says the guy going down these rabbit holes himself.)
LC Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 Reposting this about a month later, now to see the effect in Europe: http://www.euromomo.eu/index.html
arcube Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 This is what it will take to get us back outside https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/04/12/999117/blueprint-what-it-will-take-to-live-in-a-world-with-covid-19/?campaign_id=4&emc=edit_dk_20200413&instance_id=17600&nl=dealbook®i_id=61865762&segment_id=24954&te=1&user_id=7e0602222f76e40795ee2202f417bdec
Dalal.Holdings Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 https://medium.com/@tepper_jonathan/ground-zero-when-the-cure-is-worse-than-the-disease-3c513d91393d 10. Everyone is a potential vector for the disease but the young will barely be affected. Children should not be locked up when they are essentially protected from almost any symptoms of the disease. The sooner they get the virus, the sooner they can develop immunity. In other words, the sooner my kids get it, the sooner I will get it, and my wife, and her coworkers, and their spouses and spouse's coworkers, etc... etc... Children don't live at home alone, what is this author dreaming about? Any parent with young kids in school/daycare understands that children bring home infections that they acquired from other households (other kids in school/daycare). It has long been shown influenza declines when schools are shut (Winter break or forced closing in hard hit areas with flu). Schools serve in many cases as a reservoir whereby infections are transmitted to new households. The fact that kids tolerate this in a mild way makes it worse--they are not going to stay home sick because they may not even notice the infection. They're going to go to school and play with other kids while having mild or no symptoms. The kids that catch it will also have mild/no symptoms and bring it home to parents/grandparents/etc (new household infected).
Gregmal Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 Ive always said, keep me safe and you can read my texts, watch me shit, hear me react to a lousy earnings reports, or record me getting laid. These things are not synonymous with my freedom. I'd rather those "invasions of privacy" than shutting down my business, telling me when and where I can travel, and making me dress like its Halloween in order to get milk for my kids. To each their own though.
SnarkyPuppy Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 Ive always said, keep me safe and you can read my texts, watch me shit, hear me react to a lousy earnings reports, or record me getting laid. These things are not synonymous with my freedom. I'd rather those "invasions of privacy" than shutting down my business, telling me when and where I can travel, and making me dress like its Halloween in order to get milk for my kids. To each their own though. Jesus christ.
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