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Thanks, @Cigarbutt,

 

So it's indeed far from trivial how to move forward from here for BHE, based on capital allocation, based on reason.

 

Just to post some facts related to my own home bias, ref. your post :

 

Areas :

 

Denmark : 42,952 km2 [ex. areas of Greenland and Faroe Islands]

 

California : 423,970 km2

Oregon : 254,810 km2.

 

Next one add a new dimension : Total population.

Then one add population density, and maps of how it's distributed, etc. etc.

 

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There is a lot to do! -But if the involved americans aren't going to pay for what they will get, they will get exactly that nothing! In a way, that's fine with me.

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4 hours ago, John Hjorth said:

So it's indeed far from trivial how to move forward from here for BHE, based on capital allocation, based on reason.

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Thank you for the exchange. Obviously, the two of 'us' can't figure this out. 🙂

However, 'we' don't need to and can sleep well, assuming 'they' will eventually figure it out.

The idea behind going into energy decades ago included that assumption.

So much to discuss and so little time...

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Finally, 'we' have some snow in my area. Time to get opportunistically moving.

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On 1/27/2024 at 12:30 PM, John Hjorth said:

 

Thanks, @RadMan24,

 

That's not so hard to do something about. Danish style solution is, - and has been for now about two decades, I think,  to dig - all powerlines - into the ground, smashing more than one flie in one slap : Not only [reverse?] fire protection, but also storm protection and frost protection [think Texas not so long ago].

 

Burying power lines is non-trivial, there are parasitic energy losses from the change in capacitance when the wire is placed closer to the earth. I believe this is not an issue in "distribution" lines, but for "transmission" lines it would require changing to a HVDC system which requires expensive equipment and limits distance. From what I have read it was "transmission" lines blamed for these fires.

 

There are numerous other factors to consider too; for example I believe above ground lines have been proven to be more resilient in seismically active areas, etc...

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https://www.wsj.com/finance/warren-buffett-is-getting-dragged-into-the-real-estate-commissions-litigation-79696153?mod=finance_lead_pos3

 

More litigation at the energy business, not from wildfires, from Real Estate commissions.  Litigation risk for a large conglomerate is something I haven't factored into Berkshire, will do that with more care.  

 

Article mentions the below from Annual Report disclosure:

 

"Based on available information to date, HomeServices believes losses are likely to occur as a result of the jury verdict in the Burnett case and that such damages could be up to $5.4 billion, excluding attorneys’ fees, prejudgment interest and other costs subject to determination by the court. However, HomeServices is currently unable to reasonably estimate such loss due to, among other reasons, the joint and several nature of the liability and the early stages of the appeals process."

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One of MidAmerican's wind farms in Iowa was hit by a recent tornado there.  Looks like only 5 turbines were destroyed but it made me wonder if MidAmerican buys insurance for this type of thing and if BRK parent writes the insurance.

https://www.euronews.com/green/2024/05/23/powerful-tornado-topples-wind-turbines-in-us-experts-say-such-destruction-is-extremely-rar

 

drone footage of a tornado here

https://www.techeblog.com/drone-tornado-wind-turbine-iowa/

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I think one of Buffett's underappreciated skills is his ability to "see around corners" as Alice Schroeder described it.  He didn't foresee the 9/11 attacks, but he knew that terrorism is an underappreciated risk in insurance and had been pushing his lieutenants to reduce their exposure to liability in marquee structures that might be targeted.  

 

When he purchased the railroad, there was speculation that one of the reasons that he bought it through one of the insurance subsidiaries is that it was partly to use the float (free money) but also because if it was in an insurance company, the state regulators might not let you sell it off because it would reduce the capital your insurance company had. So in essence, he was making it harder for his successor to split up BRK and sell off pieces. 

 

I may be misremembering, but I think BNSF was transferred out of the insurance sub by Warren.  He may have been removing the handcuffs or maybe it was something else.  He mentioned in the last meeting about regulators in the Utility space and Insurance litigation possibly causing future returns to lag compared to past returns. The recent PacificCorp payouts from wildfires may be a trend. Maybe he is making moves to make the insurance subs and utilities not be a target for litigators looking for a fat wallet, or politicians looking to upgrade the grid at the expense of utilities instead of taxpayers. 

 

It's one thing to say that you won't keep investing in energy if they don't provide adequate returns, but the assets you have are stranded and they have to be maintained.  If you don't keep much cash in the register, it's less tempting to try to target them. 

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Berkshire Hathaway accelerates sales of China's BYD

 

Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway has accelerated its selling of shares in BYD, China's largest seller of electric vehicles.

 

Berkshire reduced its stake in BYD's issued H-shares to 5.99% on June 19, according to a Tuesday filing with the Hong Kong stock exchange. The stake had been 7.02% as recently as June 11.

 

 

https://di.hkex.com.hk/di/NSAllFormList.aspx?sa2=an&sid=2508&corpn=BYD+Co.+Ltd.++-+H+Shares&sd=26/06/2023&ed=26/06/2024&cid=2&sa1=cl&scsd=26%2f06%2f2023&sced=26%2f06%2f2024&srchCorpName=byd&cn=1&src=MAIN&lang=EN&g_lang=en&

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9 hours ago, fareastwarriors said:

Berkshire Hathaway accelerates sales of China's BYD

 

Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway has accelerated its selling of shares in BYD, China's largest seller of electric vehicles.

 

Berkshire reduced its stake in BYD's issued H-shares to 5.99% on June 19, according to a Tuesday filing with the Hong Kong stock exchange. The stake had been 7.02% as recently as June 11.

 

 

https://di.hkex.com.hk/di/NSAllFormList.aspx?sa2=an&sid=2508&corpn=BYD+Co.+Ltd.++-+H+Shares&sd=26/06/2023&ed=26/06/2024&cid=2&sa1=cl&scsd=26%2f06%2f2023&sced=26%2f06%2f2024&srchCorpName=byd&cn=1&src=MAIN&lang=EN&g_lang=en&

 

getting out before the fallout of the trade war starts showing up in the results

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3 hours ago, Gamecock-YT said:

 

getting out before the fallout of the trade war starts showing up in the results

Yep, even if  its a big world after all, valuation, optics, simplification for the next guy. Its probably one of the easier decisions he has to make in his nineties.

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