Spooky Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 4 hours ago, ValueMaven said: Berkshire and Constellation My man! My top two are Constellation and Berkshire as well with FFH now at number 4 or 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoodlum Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Fairfax will now have some additional cash for Share Buybacks, Hurricane season or other investments (ie India). https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20240715698371/en/Cleveland-Cliffs-to-Acquire-Stelco-for-C70-per-Share Quote HAMILTON, Ontario--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Stelco Holdings Inc. (TSX: STLC) (“Stelco” or the “Company”) is pleased to announce that it has entered into a definitive agreement (the “Arrangement Agreement”) with Cleveland-Cliffs Inc. (NYSE: CLF) (“Cliffs”), pursuant to which Cliffs has agreed to acquire all of the issued and outstanding common shares of Stelco (the “Transaction”) at a price of C$70.00 per share (the “Consideration”), consisting of C$60.00 in cash and 0.454 of a share of Cliffs common stock (equivalent to C$10.00 based on the closing price of Cliffs common stock on July 12, 2024) per Stelco share. The total enterprise value pursuant to the Transaction is approximately C$3.4 billion. The Consideration represents an 87% premium to Stelco’s closing share price of C$37.36 on July 12, 2024, and a 37% premium to Stelco’s 52-week high. Fairfax Financial Holdings, an affiliate of Lindsay Goldberg LLC, Alan Kestenbaum, and each of the other directors and executive officers of Stelco collectively holding approximately 45% of the current outstanding Stelco common shares have entered into support agreements to vote in favour of the Transaction, subject to customary exceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giulio Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 USD670 million pre-tax excluding shares consideration. 2.4x the carrying value at march 31st. $18 per share pre-tax "emerging" value...don't tell muddy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior R Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 I am hoping FFH doesn't move on this news...I am looking to move these proceeds into FFH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backtothebeach Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Holy moly! Did not expect that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoCitiesCapital Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 20 minutes ago, backtothebeach said: Holy moly! Did not expect that. Me neither - should've been buying STLC again instead of CLF over the last few months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior R Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 this deal could be over $70 CLF is trading up...If CLF goes up we make more as the deal includes partial CLF share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newtovalue Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 what a nice surprise for a monday morning. luckily i own both FFH and STLC so this one works twice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsad Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 4 hours ago, newtovalue said: what a nice surprise for a monday morning. luckily i own both FFH and STLC so this one works twice! Congratulations newtovalue! Maybe you need to change your moniker to "damngoodatvalue". Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newtovalue Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 4 hours ago, Parsad said: Congratulations newtovalue! Maybe you need to change your moniker to "damngoodatvalue". Cheers! haha! I love it. I am still learning so much from yourself and this group - so maybe i can change it to kindanewtovalue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haryana Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 (edited) On 7/10/2024 at 7:51 AM, dartmonkey said: ...TSX60 includes banks: #1 Royal Bank, #2 TD Bank, #11 BMO, #12 Scotiabank, #16 CIBC and #27 National Bank; insurance companies: #14 Manulife, #25 Intact Financial, #28 SunLife, and #29 Great-West Lifeco;... Does TSX 60 really include Great-West Lifeco? I find it missing from the list in the following 3 sources: https://money.tmx.com/quote/^TX60/constituents https://www.barchart.com/ca/stocks/indices/tsx/tsx60 https://www.theglobeandmail.com/investing/markets/indices/TXSX/components/ Great-West Lifeco (GWO-T) is about the same market cap as FFH, why will they prefer to add FFH? Edited July 16 by Haryana brevity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newtovalue Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 good point @Haryana - just checked the Blackrock site and GWO is not there. i dont think there is any reason they would prefer FFH to GWO - unless someone else can opine. Furthermore companies like ATZ-T (just to name one example) are not in the 60 but the argument can be made they should be to diversify the index sector weighting. Perhaps we are getting ahead of ourselves (myself included) with hopes of inclusion for FFH. https://blackrock.com/ca/investors/en/products/239832/ishares-sptsx-60-index-etf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoodlum Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 27 minutes ago, newtovalue said: good point @Haryana - just checked the Blackrock site and GWO is not there. i dont think there is any reason they would prefer FFH to GWO - unless someone else can opine. Furthermore companies like ATZ-T (just to name one example) are not in the 60 but the argument can be made they should be to diversify the index sector weighting. Perhaps we are getting ahead of ourselves (myself included) with hopes of inclusion for FFH. https://blackrock.com/ca/investors/en/products/239832/ishares-sptsx-60-index-etf This article from 10 years ago discusses the logic behind the TSX 60 Index. Much still applies today and may explain why it could be a long while until Fairfax is added. Hopefully this is not behind a paywall for others to see. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/investment-ideas/why-does-the-sptsx-60-exclude-some-of-canadas-biggest-stocks/article19057449/ Quote But for the major TSX indexes, as well as many others, S&P adjusts pure market cap numbers. Instead of using the total value of the company, S&P calculates the value of a company's "free float," or the shares that are available to trade regularly. Free float is best defined by what isn't included: Shares held by founding families, or by employees and executives, or by major strategic investors. Forty-four of the 230-plus companies in the S&P/TSX composite index have fewer than 75 per cent of their shares available in the free float. ... Companies like Great-West Lifeco Inc., Tourmaline Oil Corp., Fairfax Financial Holdings Ltd., and Inter Pipeline Ltd. all are more valuable (even with a free-float adjustment) and would be included if total market cap were only the determinant and industry allocation did not matter. They are not in the 60, though, because it already has its quota of energy and financial companies. (The Big Five Canadian banks currently take up almost 29 per cent of the TSX 60.) ... It also helps underweight companies that make the cut. Thomson Reuters Corp., Husky Energy Inc. and Imperial Oil Ltd. each would represent 2 per cent to 3 per cent of the TSX 60 if S&P used total market capitalization. Heavy insider ownership means less than half the companies' shares are in the free float, however, and the float-adjusted weight for each is about 1 per cent or slightly less. The math also works in reverse: Canada's widely held big banks, which take up a chunk of the TSX 60 from their market values alone, take on extra weight because so much more of their value is in the free float. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearprowler6 Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 31 minutes ago, newtovalue said: good point @Haryana - just checked the Blackrock site and GWO is not there. i dont think there is any reason they would prefer FFH to GWO - unless someone else can opine. Furthermore companies like ATZ-T (just to name one example) are not in the 60 but the argument can be made they should be to diversify the index sector weighting. Perhaps we are getting ahead of ourselves (myself included) with hopes of inclusion for FFH. https://blackrock.com/ca/investors/en/products/239832/ishares-sptsx-60-index-etf Unlikely that GWO is a candidate for inclusion in the 60 since its parent company POW is already included. The vast portion of POW's value is derived from its holding in GWO so including GWO itself would greatly over weight that company in the index. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haryana Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 Just curious why this hard to get in TSX index with just 60 names has 3 full names with Brookfield in them. Wondering if those 3 are totally unrelated to each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafetyinNumbers Posted July 17 Author Share Posted July 17 10 hours ago, bearprowler6 said: Unlikely that GWO is a candidate for inclusion in the 60 since its parent company POW is already included. The vast portion of POW's value is derived from its holding in GWO so including GWO itself would greatly over weight that company in the index. GWO has a low weighting because most of its market cap is included in POW’s float cap as @bearprowler6noted. It doesn’t make sense to add the 63rd biggest weight to the 60 over the 27th (FFH). FFH has not been overlooked yet but it might be with the next opening. That’s probably better in the long run for most shareholders as they might be tempted to sell on the multiple expansion when the compounding in BV should go on forever. It’s just too big to not go in eventually. It’s a matter of if not when, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoodlum Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 There could be some impact from today's outages, related to Cyber Insurance coverage. https://www.reinsurancene.ws/bi-claims-the-likely-focus-of-insured-losses-from-microsoft-it-outage-say-analysts/ Fairfax is the 3rd largest company providing coverage in the US. https://www.reinsurancene.ws/chubb-remains-the-largest-writer-of-cyber-insurance-am-best/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior R Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 44 minutes ago, Hoodlum said: There could be some impact from today's outages, related to Cyber Insurance coverage. https://www.reinsurancene.ws/bi-claims-the-likely-focus-of-insured-losses-from-microsoft-it-outage-say-analysts/ Fairfax is the 3rd largest company providing coverage in the US. https://www.reinsurancene.ws/chubb-remains-the-largest-writer-of-cyber-insurance-am-best/ These would be paid by CRWD as the outage was caused by them..this is like a JNJ/MMM moment for this company..The insurance companies would not insurance software you buy from a 3rd party Quote Wtf? The CrowdStrike file that broke everything was entirely full of null characters. How does this happen? https://x.com/jeremyphoward/status/1814364640127922499 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoCitiesCapital Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 2 hours ago, Junior R said: These would be paid by CRWD as the outage was caused by them..this is like a JNJ/MMM moment for this company..The insurance companies would not insurance software you buy from a 3rd party https://x.com/jeremyphoward/status/1814364640127922499 It happens when you pay the guy required to write the code in pizza parties and department meeting shout-outs Obviously his boss either didn't "trust - but verify" or didn't have the ability to and has been coasting for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villainx Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 3 hours ago, TwoCitiesCapital said: Obviously his boss either didn't "trust - but verify" or didn't have the ability to and has been coasting for years. All the options vested already though, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsad Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 On 7/19/2024 at 12:53 PM, Hoodlum said: There could be some impact from today's outages, related to Cyber Insurance coverage. https://www.reinsurancene.ws/bi-claims-the-likely-focus-of-insured-losses-from-microsoft-it-outage-say-analysts/ Fairfax is the 3rd largest company providing coverage in the US. https://www.reinsurancene.ws/chubb-remains-the-largest-writer-of-cyber-insurance-am-best/ https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/21/business/crowdstrike-outage-cost/index.html They are estimating a billion in losses, but I can't see how it isn't 3-4 times that amount when you include all of the business loss claims. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santayana Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 That's multiple years of earnings for CrowdStrike, will be interesting to see who ends up paying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfp Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 This article was pretty decent - https://www.reuters.com/technology/insurers-face-business-interruption-claims-after-global-tech-outage-2024-07-19/ Basically a typical commercial insurance policy's Business Interruption section probably doesn't cover this type of thing unless it was specifically added. And some cyber policies exclude non-malicious events. The article mentions travel insurance claims. Each affected business could sue Crowdstrike and/or Microsoft. Doesn't sound worth it. I'll bet in the long run this practice run prompts the industry to tighten up policy language and re-evaluate just how much damage a single vendor can cause with a single update. Could end up being a good thing for insurers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoodlum Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 (edited) I guess this is where the funds from the Stelco sale will be used. This becomes one of Fairfax's larger holdings at $1.7B cdn. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-fairfax-to-purchase-sleep-country-in-17-billion-deal/ Quote Sleep Country Canada Holdings Inc. ("Sleep Country" or the "Company") (TSX: ZZZ), announced today that it has entered into an arrangement agreement dated July 21, 2024 (the "Arrangement Agreement") with 16133258 Canada Inc. (the "Purchaser"), a newly-formed and wholly-owned subsidiary of Fairfax Financial Holdings Limited ("Fairfax") (TSX: FFH) (TSX: FFH.U) and Fairfax, as guarantor, in respect of a transaction (the "Transaction") whereby the Purchaser will acquire all of the issued and outstanding common shares of Sleep Country for $35.00 in cash per common share (the "Purchase Price"), representing a total enterprise value of approximately $1.7 billion. The Purchase Price represents a 34% premium to the 20-day volume-weighted average price of the Company's common shares on the TSX for the period ending on July 19, 2024, and a 28% premium to the closing price on July 19, 2024. Edited July 22 by Hoodlum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardcorevalue Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 Explain it to me like I’m 12 why this makes more sense than buying back their own stock... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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