lnofeisone Posted January 29 Posted January 29 5 minutes ago, cubsfan said: He was sooooo peaceful. He was never a danger to law enforcement. He was an ICU nurse. ROFL He was employed as a nurse at the time of his shooting...the union confirmed it. Stop reading Facebook, dude. He was also shot while being ganged up on by 5 federal agents and without his weapon on him. All facts. Facts that you love to just ignore. Too inconvenient?
cwericb Posted January 29 Posted January 29 Don't know why the debate. Seems cut and dried. Pretty simple. ICE pushes girl to ground. Man leans over to help her up. ICE swarms man ICE throws man to ground ICE disarms man ICE shoots disarmed man 10-14 times ICE stand back and clap Unarmed man, lying on the ground, shot 10-14 times. Murder at the worst, criminal negligence at the least. Just a miracle ICE didn't shoot each other.
Lazarus Posted January 29 Posted January 29 1 hour ago, cwericb said: Sheesh! you are taking something said in jest pretty seriously. So let me clarify... In the early 1800's, what is now Canada was essentially British and included Upper Canada and Lower Canada. The War of 1812 was between British troops and American troops who were raiding Canada. American troops raided and burned Toronto in 1813. British troops burned Washington in retaliation. PS. You incorrectly stated: "The colonial militias sat back and focussed on defensive protection of their territories in Upper and Lower Canada - they were not invading the US territory." To clarify: "British North America (Canada): Local Canadian militia, British regulars stationed in Upper and Lower Canada, and maritime fencibles (such as the 104th Regiment of Foot, raised in New Brunswick) defended the border and conducted raids along the Great Lakes and the New England coast." Happy now? Didn't you say that Canadians burned down the White House? My point was that not a single 'Canadian' was involved; it was professional British soldiers brought in from overseas. Elbows up!
Parsad Posted January 29 Posted January 29 https://www.reuters.com/business/us-consumer-confidence-slumps-january-level-last-seen-2014-2026-01-27/ Bing, bong, bong, bing, bong! Cheers!
John Hjorth Posted January 29 Posted January 29 (edited) Orla Joelsen on X : - - - o 0 o - - - I suppose we all here on CofB&F already know that German humor can create havoc, uproars and civil unrest! Germans are just such troublemakers! [<- ] -*John cursing that damn low life ticket selling German TV Show Extra!* HaHa! Edited January 29 by John Hjorth
John Hjorth Posted January 29 Posted January 29 (edited) 18 hours ago, John Hjorth said: A commentator and reporter on Danish TV2 with deep knowledge and closeintimate relations over time rto the US Embassy eports he thinks this is also about, related to DOGE cutting down Copenhagen US Embassy communication department to about nothing, leaving only those without a functioning brain, no blood circulation in the head, everybody else have already left, having had enough! Just to get all the facts in this event correct : It was en employee employed at a security subcontractor called G4S hired by the US Embassy, who removed the 44 Danish Dannebrog flags with individual names of the 44 fallen Danish soldiers, who diden't came back home alive from Afghanistan in the war against terror after USA activated article 4 after 9/11, ref. the jacket and beanie logos on the security emploees company clothing : Edited January 29 by John Hjorth
UK Posted January 29 Posted January 29 1 hour ago, Parsad said: https://www.reuters.com/business/us-consumer-confidence-slumps-january-level-last-seen-2014-2026-01-27/ Bing, bong, bong, bing, bong! Cheers! Climbing wall of worry:))
Sweet Posted January 29 Posted January 29 (edited) 7 hours ago, lnofeisone said: The right is working overtime trying to shit on Alex and make him look bad. Fact still remains, he lawfully carried a gun and was shot 10-14 times without the said gun. Another fact is that there was an agent celebratory clapping after the shooting. And another fact, having two agents wondering where the gun was getting caught on tape, saying "oh shit, where is the gun." Wake me up when this host analyzes those videos and provides commentary. Seriously, this thing is so damaging that even Trump is backing away from it. You can fight this fight, cubs, but the fact still remains that this was a bad shooting. Also, don't forget that this will be the treatment right-wingers will get when Democrats get back to power. Just imagine all the rifle-toting individuals will now be fair game to the Feds. That's what you are advocating for. Yeh but why are you dismissing the video though? It’s like you are upset that this was uncovered. He’s clearly being violent and aggressive in two other encounters with ICE - plus carrying a gun. Why wasn’t he arrested by the cops for violent disorder? All these people confronting ICE agents should be going to prison for a couple of months for impeding law enforcement. Get them off the street, let ICE do their job, and the people being killed by ICE will drop dramatically. Edited January 29 by Sweet
John Hjorth Posted January 29 Posted January 29 (edited) Anton yesterday : One of reply posts in the top : I think we neeed a poll here on CofB&F [<-] with an eager, at times heated debate : 'Who is the owner of the most entertaining and amusing SoMe?', poll options : 1. Dunno, 2. Don't care, 3.. None of them, 4. Donald, 5. Elon. Edited January 29 by John Hjorth
lnofeisone Posted January 29 Posted January 29 1 hour ago, Sweet said: Yeh but why are you dismissing the video though? It’s like you are upset that this was uncovered. He’s clearly being violent and aggressive in two other encounters with ICE - plus carrying a gun. Why wasn’t he arrested by the cops for violent disorder? All these people confronting ICE agents should be going to prison for a couple of months for impeding law enforcement. Get them off the street, let ICE do their job, and the people being killed by ICE will drop dramatically. Read my prior comment. I said he should've been arrested for the encounter where he kicked the car. I agree, ICE (CBP in this case) should do their job unimpeded. But shooting someone the way they shot Alex isn't one of the things they should do unimpeded.
Sweet Posted January 29 Posted January 29 (edited) 8 minutes ago, lnofeisone said: Read my prior comment. I said he should've been arrested for the encounter where he kicked the car. I agree, ICE (CBP in this case) should do their job unimpeded. But shooting someone the way they shot Alex isn't one of the things they should do unimpeded. Yes, he should be alive. However blame doesn’t just lie with ICE. The Alex guy has some responsibility too, as do those who encourage confrontation with ICE, as do those who don’t believe he should be arrested. I said a few pages over, that the ICE guys are doing an awful job, probably anxious and stressed all the time from the constant confrontations, likely fearful for their lives at times, and as a result they are on a hair trigger. Seems to me that the ICE officer who shouted ‘gun’ precipitated the firing. Once one shot was fired it turned into chaos. Edited January 29 by Sweet
Sweet Posted January 29 Posted January 29 (edited) 6 minutes ago, dealraker said: So super-dad who just sky'd knowing he waxed some people - he gets identified and whatnot. Wonder if someone in the household, wife...kids, someone running less on the white boy rage adrenaline and more in the, "You fucking idiot, now we have years of 'will-you-be-charged' hanging over our lives." ICE-boy stud-muffin thinks Trump will pardon him while wife or kids wonder if ole saggy jowls will be around for that, or whether it will be politically popular to do that... The incredible high the ICE-muffins get from pumping iron into face down bodies vs. more logical thoughts as to possible political change and the consequences. Wouldn't that be a superb place for your mind to reside? And this doesn't even include the civil side which is never reported but is a huge issue, probably life dominating issue, for so many of the people involved in these sort of things. I feel like Cubs behaviour is at times cultish, but so too is your behaviour. What are you evening talking about? Goodness me. Edited January 29 by Sweet
lnofeisone Posted January 29 Posted January 29 3 minutes ago, Sweet said: Yes, he should be alive. However blame doesn’t just lie with ICE. The Alex guy has some responsibility too, as do those who encourage confrontation with ICE, as do those who don’t believe he should be arrested. I said a few pages over, that the ICE guys are doing an awful job, probably anxious and stress all the time from the constant confrontations, likely fearful for their lives at times I’m sure, and as a result they are on a hair trigger. Seems to me that the ICE officer who shouted ‘gun’ precipitated the firing. Once one shot was fired it seemed to just turn into chaos. You listed everything except the fact that, in many cases, ICE officers are abusing their power. There are videos of ICE driving away and pepper-spraying protestors who are just standing there (Phoenix). There are videos of ICE pepper-spraying sitting protestors. As a LEO, the job is stressful (this is why I always detested the "defund the police" idiots) but it's your job to manage that stress and respond within the parameters of the law. You may not like Alex, he may have been aggressive but CBP/ICE had to operate within the bounds of the law. And that they didn't do.
Sweet Posted January 29 Posted January 29 19 minutes ago, lnofeisone said: You listed everything except the fact that, in many cases, ICE officers are abusing their power. There are videos of ICE driving away and pepper-spraying protestors who are just standing there (Phoenix). There are videos of ICE pepper-spraying sitting protestors. As a LEO, the job is stressful (this is why I always detested the "defund the police" idiots) but it's your job to manage that stress and respond within the parameters of the law. You may not like Alex, he may have been aggressive but CBP/ICE had to operate within the bounds of the law. And that they didn't do. It’s not about liking or disliking Alex, I don’t know the guy. Neither of us are disagreeing - he shouldn’t have been killed by ICE. I’m also not saying there haven’t been cases were ICE have overstepped the mark, I’m only saying that in this particular case there is plenty of blame to go round. And a big part of the underlying problem, little recognised, is that people don’t understand the danger they are putting themselves in because they can’t imagine themselves in shoes of an ICE agent.
Sweet Posted January 29 Posted January 29 1 minute ago, dealraker said: Sweets, just the real life of the rage cult you promote. I’m just going to block you for a while dealraker. You lack the self introspection at the moment to realise that the only person raging right now is yourself. This is not the first snide and misplaced remark from you.
cubsfan Posted January 29 Posted January 29 8 hours ago, lnofeisone said: He was employed as a nurse at the time of his shooting...the union confirmed it. Stop reading Facebook, dude. He was also shot while being ganged up on by 5 federal agents and without his weapon on him. All facts. Facts that you love to just ignore. Too inconvenient? Alex Pretti - violent, reckless, dangerous, irresponsible, threatening - all while ARMED. Alex Pretti did not deserved to die - BUT Alex Pretti was dangerous and put himself in a situation where he UPPED the odds of dying. May he RIP.
73 Reds Posted January 29 Posted January 29 35 minutes ago, dealraker said: Sweet the man was a big nuisance but he was not a threat to anyone's life and the only reason he was there was because of the inappropriate ICE behavior. Plenty of blame to go around is a wimpish cop-out for a bunch of rage muffins who have no supervision, no accountability, no training, and no purpose other than to appease a man who lives and breathes revenge by attacking a city with relatively few illegals compared to his Texas supporting mass. The ICE shooters lives depend on Trump's need and decisions for political popularity today and tomorrow. I hope their anxiety results in their lives being affected one way or another just as much as Alex's was. Curious, how many ICE agents do you personally know? Easy to stereotype folks from an observation deck.
Xerxes Posted January 29 Posted January 29 The next front for Canadians : fanning the flame of Alberta separation and misinformation coming from Trump and his goons and online self-appointed influencers
dealraker Posted January 29 Posted January 29 4 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Curious, how many ICE agents do you personally know? Easy to stereotype folks from an observation deck. Uh Reds, once again you are so unaware of yourself it is astounding. Stereotyping is your entire presentation.
Xerxes Posted January 29 Posted January 29 8 minutes ago, Xerxes said: The next front for Canadians : fanning the flame of Alberta separation and misinformation coming from Trump and his goons and online self-appointed influencers that said I truly think the U.S. ambassador in Ottawa is a gentleman
lnofeisone Posted January 29 Posted January 29 1 hour ago, Sweet said: It’s not about liking or disliking Alex, I don’t know the guy. Neither of us are disagreeing - he shouldn’t have been killed by ICE. I’m also not saying there haven’t been cases were ICE have overstepped the mark, I’m only saying that in this particular case there is plenty of blame to go round. And a big part of the underlying problem, little recognised, is that people don’t understand the danger they are putting themselves in because they can’t imagine themselves in shoes of an ICE agent. You are right. There is plenty of blame. But this is where we disagree. I think most of the blame falls on the Federal agents. Also - a small nitpick - I'm 99% sure this shooting isn't on ICE. These look liked CBP agents. A very specific unit, too. I worked with CBP (on a program called UIP and spent some on time on the SW border). Incidentally, I also spent a good amount of time supporting ICE HSI.
73 Reds Posted January 29 Posted January 29 20 minutes ago, dealraker said: Uh Reds, once again you are so unaware of yourself it is astounding. Stereotyping is your entire presentation. Nice response. As is condoning, implicitly or otherwise, hateful attacks on Americans simply trying to do their jobs. Playing amateur shrink seems to be a favorite pastime around here.
73 Reds Posted January 29 Posted January 29 11 minutes ago, dealraker said: Uhh...from the man who cubby holes anyone who opposes his worldly views as Trump haters. Talk about amateur shrink Reds, you just profile yourself endlessly with your supreme jargon. Eh, no need to cubby hole or profile anything - your words and those of others speak for themselves. But go ahead and keep pushing narratives that almost always have another side.
cubsfan Posted January 29 Posted January 29 1 hour ago, dealraker said: Cub you are a fun read. So your life's hero now has you quite changed from you previous self, you're going to a US soldiers die for Iran protesters while killing them in the US. As I've said many times, it isn't as entertaining where cubs is today as is to where he has been politically (Oh, my lord!) and most of all where he is going! Spray it far and wide cubs, saying you are all over the spectrum is not even close. I've said it a million times Ole' Deal. What does a frustrated minority do when they lose all political power? They resort to violence. That's all that's happening. That's why those in the middle are fleeing the LEFT in droves. Like @73 Reds has said - violence, like men in women's locker rooms - is one of those 80/20 issues that the middle detests. In my entire life, I have never even thought about talking back to a cop.
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