Political Posts

[73 Reds]

5 minutes ago, cwericb said:

 

You have been a member of this group for about a year. Cubs has been on this board for over a dozen years and I have been here for for close to twenty. So I think I know Cubs and his history in the board pretty well.

 

Now, I know he has drunk the Koolaid, and there is little I can do to rescue him, but I think that he is smart enough that he will come around eventually. If we ever ran into each other I think we would have a great time. Or perhaps strangle each other if the subject of politics came up.  

Right - you can be friends with someone of vastly different political beliefs as long as you share common morals and values.  IIRC Cubs was once a Democrat (apologies if I have him mistaken for another poster).  But the present version of the Democratic Party holds no resemblance to the Party of 20 or 30 years ago.  So like many former Democrats who drank the same kool aid, here we are.  I don't think its is voters who need to come around as much as the Party's leadership and its priorities.

[whiskybravo]

1 hour ago, dealraker said:

Sorry whisky but it really...and I know this is hard for you...isn't just right zingers who get axed.  A "different" perspective was one programmed to sell extremely well.  And it was extreme, and it gets extreme response.

 

Hire security.  You've pissed off someone, count on it.  4?  That ain't proper security for national attraction.

Where did you get the impression that I thought only “right zingers get axed”?  In fact “you KNOW it’s hard for me”.  Show more intellectual rigor and less condescension.

 

Because you think it’s extreme, well then he’s fair game.  And how about those that can’t afford expensive security?  Are they to serve as target practice for those that think they are extreme?  

[dealraker]

8 minutes ago, cwericb said:

 

You have been a member of this group for about a year. Cubs has been on this board for over a dozen years and I have been here for for close to twenty. So I think I know Cubs and his history in the board pretty well.

 

Now, I know he has drunk the Koolaid, and there is little I can do to rescue him, but I think that he is smart enough that he will come around eventually. If we ever ran into each other I think we would have a great time. Or perhaps strangle each other if the subject of politics came up.  

Cubs is the 80% in my "most Trump area of the US" community.  I get along with this crowd very well, in general I like them overall as well as my Trump opposition bunch.  He has literally drowned himself in the Koolaid, gone verbatim with the chant.  Generally when people do this they spin on a dime and go a different direction with equal force.  But not always!

 

I'd probably have a blast in person discussing politics with Cubs!

 

 

[dealraker]

4 minutes ago, whiskybravo said:

Where did you get the impression that I thought only “right zingers get axed”?  In fact “you KNOW it’s hard for me”.  Show more intellectual rigor and less condescension.

 

Because you think it’s extreme, well then he’s fair game.  And how about those that can’t afford expensive security?  Are they to serve as target practice for those that think they are extreme?  

Yes, they are likely setting up as target practice if you are spilling an intense us vs them rhetoric with less than sound security.  Remember though, you might read Cialdini's book INFLUENCE to gain a view, the more you bring in the police the greater you'll motivate those against.  So if you want to be "safe" then you gotta one hell-of-a-challenge.

 

 

[Eldad]

This is a troubling development for me as a more classic conservative. Along with tariffs, intel ownership, executive orders and on and on.
 

If you are looking at history, it is much more like a Caesar vs the Roman Senate moment than a Hitler moment. The commonality then and apparently now is that many of the people were and are asking for it. Trumps approval rating has been incredibly sticky because he “gets stuff done”. 
 

Kimmel’s ratings were terrible and ABC was paying him way too much. Easy out for them. Trump may not have had much to do with their motives. 

[dwy000]

5 minutes ago, Eldad said:

This is a troubling development for me as a more classic conservative. Along with tariffs, intel ownership, executive orders and on and on.
 

If you are looking at history, it is much more like a Caesar vs the Roman Senate moment than a Hitler moment. The commonality then and apparently now is that many of the people were and are asking for it. Trumps approval rating has been incredibly sticky because he “gets stuff done”. 
 

Kimmel’s ratings were terrible and ABC was paying him way too much. Easy out for them. Trump may not have had much to do with their motives. 

Trump has the lowest approval rating of any President in history. And is negative on every single issue at this point.  Theres a reason he is begging for gerrymandering and now wants a midterm convention - he's really worried he's losing the independents and minorities he needs to win.  If Republicans start seeing him as a midterm liability (post primary) its going to get really interesting, really fast. 

[whiskybravo]

12 minutes ago, dealraker said:

Yes, they are likely setting up as target practice if you are spilling an intense us vs them rhetoric with less than sound security.  Remember though, you might read Cialdini's book INFLUENCE to gain a view, the more you bring in the police the greater you'll motivate those against.  So if you want to be "safe" then you gotta one hell-of-a-challenge.

 

 

I think I’ll leave it at that, since we are talking across one another.  But I’ll consider your recommendation. First I have seven biographies ahead of it in the cue.  When I consider a psychology book, I tend to say…well I’d rather read (fill in the blank).  Then again Thinking Fast and Slow was one of my favorite books and really resonated with me.

[Eldad]

5 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

Trump has the lowest approval rating of any President in history. And is negative on every single issue at this point.  Theres a reason he is begging for gerrymandering and now wants a midterm convention - he's really worried he's losing the independents and minorities he needs to win.  If Republicans start seeing him as a midterm liability (post primary) its going to get really interesting, really fast. 

Completely untrue. Looking at RealClear Politics average right now. From April 2023 on Biden never got above 44% and was as low 38% multiple times. 
 

So far Trump is averaging around 46% this term. Rasmussen, which has a much better pulse on America than most judging on past election polling results, just released one with Trump at 51%. 

[Sweet]

1 hour ago, dwy000 said:

Nobody is forcing you to watch their shows just as nobody is forcing you to watch Hannity.  Thats the whole freedom of speech thing. 

 

Trump is putting troops on the streets over the opposition of local government, publicly stating he doesn't care about sowing division, publicly calling for the cancelation of shows and having his personally picked FCC head criticize networks/shows when he has to approve mergers.  And he's making up false accusations against fed officials to try and get them fired because they dont do what he wants. 

 

If the dictator/fascist alarm bells aren't ringing loudly, regardless of your polical leaning you just don't want to hear them. 

I don’t know why you are saying I can turn it off - I never watched these guys.  I didn’t call for them to get fired or say they shouldn’t have free speech can say what they want.  But they are employees of the company, and if the product is crap, and if as employees they are bringing harm to the company is it any surprise they got the axe?

 

There is a code of conduct for my job, I keep my mouth shut in politics.

 

1 hour ago, LC said:

 

What was wrong with the Colbert show? 

It’s all these guys.  I don’t understand how late night TV hosted by ‘comedians’ turned into quasi lectures on politics.  At least Bill Maher and John Stewart punch both ways often, but even then, just why is politics on the menu all the time.

 

[LC]

You never watch them but know what they talk about for 30 min every day?  :) 

 

I get your point but they are a reflection of the environment, late night always has been.

Why is politics on the menu all the time? Why does Trump have like 200+ exec orders issues YTD? Why is Charlie Kirk getting shot? Why is the country so divided? 

 

It all starts at the top...bing bong! 

 

[dwy000]

43 minutes ago, Sweet said:

I don’t know why you are saying I can turn it off - I never watched these guys.  I didn’t call for them to get fired or say they shouldn’t have free speech can say what they want.  But they are employees of the company, and if the product is crap, and if as employees they are bringing harm to the company is it any surprise they got the axe?

 

There is a code of conduct for my job, I keep my mouth shut in politics.

 

It’s all these guys.  I don’t understand how late night TV hosted by ‘comedians’ turned into quasi lectures on politics.  At least Bill Maher and John Stewart punch both ways often, but even then, just why is politics on the menu all the time.

 

They play to their audience. Just like Fox and Kirk. If they get cancelled because of ratings, just like any other show great, that's fine. But getting cancelled because the President has a thin skin is just wrong in a free society. 

[changegonnacome]

Dont care for Colbert or Kimmel....just not my kinda funny....and think political comedy is the lowest form of comedy......but there is something wrong in the Republic when the court jesters have to be axed to please the King.

[dwy000]

1 hour ago, Eldad said:

Completely untrue. Looking at RealClear Politics average right now. From April 2023 on Biden never got above 44% and was as low 38% multiple times. 
 

So far Trump is averaging around 46% this term. Rasmussen, which has a much better pulse on America than most judging on past election polling results, just released one with Trump at 51%. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2025/09/17/trump-approval-rating-dips-below-40-in-latest-survey/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna228110

 

 

[73 Reds]

1 hour ago, Eldad said:

This is a troubling development for me as a more classic conservative. Along with tariffs, intel ownership, executive orders and on and on.
 

If you are looking at history, it is much more like a Caesar vs the Roman Senate moment than a Hitler moment. The commonality then and apparently now is that many of the people were and are asking for it. Trumps approval rating has been incredibly sticky because he “gets stuff done”. 
 

Kimmel’s ratings were terrible and ABC was paying him way too much. Easy out for them. Trump may not have had much to do with their motives. 

Agreed.  In fact it is astonishing how many people feel compelled to complain about Kimmel's firing in public.  Why?  This was a business decision by ABC and if anyone wants to complain, why not voice your complaint to ABC?  Yet another sign of folks gone crazy.

[Gregmal]

Don’t take away the liberals “the polls” comfort food…then they’ll really start getting violent. 

[dwy000]

8 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

Don’t take away the liberals “the polls” comfort food…then they’ll really start getting violent. 

We wouldnt want truth getting in the way of a good story for Kool aid hour. 

[Gregmal]

Just now, dwy000 said:

We wouldnt want truth getting in the way of a good story for Kool aid hour. 

Those polls have been soooo good to you guys now since…”Hillary in a landslide!”…

 

 

[Castanza]

25 minutes ago, changegonnacome said:

Dont care for Colbert or Kimmel....just not my kinda funny....and think political comedy is the lowest form of comedy......but there is something wrong in the Republic when the court jesters have to be axed to please the King.

100%

[dwy000]

2 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

Those polls have been soooo good to you guys now since…”Hillary in a landslide!”…

 

 

I wasnt the one who brought them up

[Gregmal]

2 hours ago, dwy000 said:

Trump has the lowest approval rating of any President in history. And is negative on every single issue at this point.  T

 

30 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2025/09/17/trump-approval-rating-dips-below-40-in-latest-survey/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna228110

 

 

Nope. Didn’t bring em up 

[dwy000]

1 minute ago, Gregmal said:

 

Nope. Didn’t bring em up 

And that was in response to:  Trumps approval rating has been incredibly sticky because he “gets stuff done”. 
 

[changegonnacome]

23 minutes ago, 73 Reds said:

Why?  This was a business decision by ABC

 

ABC business decision which had what factors at play underpinning it?.... clear as day that again (like Paramount)....that Nexstar/Tegna merger deal was in jeopardy by Kimmel making fun of Trump....hence why Nexstar pulled carriage of the show on their affiliates....all done to please/not offend the King/FTC, which in effect doomed the economics of the show at an ABC level....if you want to ignore the causation here....and just lean into some weird correlation of events thesis I think your bending reality a bit too far.

 

 

[Sweet]

1 hour ago, dwy000 said:

They play to their audience. Just like Fox and Kirk. If they get cancelled because of ratings, just like any other show great, that's fine. But getting cancelled because the President has a thin skin is just wrong in a free society. 

Did Kimmel and Colbert get cancelled because of Trump?  We are making many leaps here.

 

Podcasts are different, they are normally independent operations, they live or die by the income they generate. They can say whatever they want.  Rogan is hugely popular and it’s a platform he built.  Compare that to Don Lemon who go, he tried his own show and gets like 10,000 viewers now lol.  Turns out nobody really cares for his race baiting crap.
 

Most of these shows are operated by big media companies.  Fox fired Tucker a couple of years ago (rightly so) and Kimmel was gloating about it.

 

Edited September 18, 2025 by Sweet

[dwy000]

Just now, Sweet said:

Did Kimmel and Colbert get cancelled because of Trump?  We are making many leaps here.

 

Podcasts are different, they are normally independent operations, they live or die by the income they generate. They can say whatever they want.  Rogan is hugely popular because it’s a platform he built, Don Lemon got let go tried his own show and gets like 10,000 viewers now he’s running his own thing lol.
 

Most of these shows are operated by big media companies.  Fox fired Tucker a couple of years ago (rightly so) and Kimmel was gloating about it.

Colbert was probably financial (give them the benefit of the doubt) but to argue Kimmels was not due to Trump is just wrong. Brendan Carr was on a podcast saying there would be consequences and Nexstar needs his approval for their merger.  If it was not for political reasons they would have wound it down in 2026 as per his contract instead of pulling it suddenly.  Come on, Sweet youre better than that - suggesting this was anything other than political pressure is just so obviously not the case. 

[Sweet]

19 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

Colbert was probably financial (give them the benefit of the doubt) but to argue Kimmels was not due to Trump is just wrong. Brendan Carr was on a podcast saying there would be consequences and Nexstar needs his approval for their merger.  If it was not for political reasons they would have wound it down in 2026 as per his contract instead of pulling it suddenly.  Come on, Sweet youre better than that - suggesting this was anything other than political pressure is just so obviously not the case. 

I had not seen those comments so needed to go read them.  With Kimmel, I don’t know what came from Trump and what didn’t.  I can see where you are coming from though.

 

However, Kimmel did say something completely insensitive and untrue.  Wouldn’t surprise me that the executives were simply fed up with this kind of shit, and just need an excuse to get rid of him.

 

Fox got rid of Tucker because of a lawsuit settlement for some of the shit he said.  The same might be on the way for Kimmel.